Re: Brakes again

pittss1_s · Post by **pittss1_s** » Sat Nov 08, 2003 11:40 pm

'These brakes are still giving me a heck of a time. One side still
has the old caster oil based fluid and I didn't have any trouble with
it until I moved here to the desert. It now is dragging so I'll only
get one or two landings in it before I get nervous. After it cools
overnight, it's fine. The other side has DOT3 in it and after a lot
of headaches, it was finally turned down to tolerances when I had it
back east (in a humid environment.) It's fine to this day. Any
thoughts?

I'd like to change the castor fluid over to DOT3. What is the best
way?

Wallace Kineyko
NC81284'

Bob and Dot Haas · Post by **Bob and Dot Haas** » Sun Nov 09, 2003 3:02 am

'Get rid of all that junk fluid flush the system and install
Dot 5 silicone. Be sure all fittings are tight because it will find a
leak, but it washes off with water and will not hurt the finish. It will
not absorb water over a period of time either. No log book entry's
either.

-----Original Message-----
From: pittss1_s [mailto:kineyko@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 12:40 AM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fairchildclub] Brakes again

These brakes are still giving me a heck of a time. One side still
has the old caster oil based fluid and I didn't have any trouble with
it until I moved here to the desert. It now is dragging so I'll only
get one or two landings in it before I get nervous. After it cools
overnight, it's fine. The other side has DOT3 in it and after a lot
of headaches, it was finally turned down to tolerances when I had it
back east (in a humid environment.) It's fine to this day. Any
thoughts?

I'd like to change the castor fluid over to DOT3. What is the best
way?

Wallace Kineyko
NC81284

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Michael Denest · Post by **Michael Denest** » Sun Nov 09, 2003 6:29 am

'Bob's right. Drain and flush, maybe put new seals in
your master cylinders. However, do a maintenance
record entry in your airframe log showing that you
worked on the brakes.
Mike

--- Bob and Dot Haas
wrote:

> Get rid of all that junk fluid flush the
> system and install
> Dot 5 silicone. Be sure all fittings are tight
> because it will find a
> leak, but it washes off with water and will not hurt
> the finish. It will
> not absorb water over a period of time either. No
> log book entry's
> either.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pittss1_s [mailto:kineyko@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 12:40 AM
> To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [fairchildclub] Brakes again
>
> These brakes are still giving me a heck of a time.
> One side still
> has the old caster oil based fluid and I didn't have
> any trouble with
> it until I moved here to the desert. It now is
> dragging so I'll only
> get one or two landings in it before I get nervous.
> After it cools
> overnight, it's fine. The other side has DOT3 in it
> and after a lot
> of headaches, it was finally turned down to
> tolerances when I had it
> back east (in a humid environment.) It's fine to
> this day. Any
> thoughts?
>
> I'd like to change the castor fluid over to DOT3.
> What is the best
> way?
>
> Wallace Kineyko
> NC81284
>
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Jamie Treat · Post by **Jamie Treat** » Sun Nov 09, 2003 9:35 am

'Wallace,

Do what Bob and Mike stated. Flush with De-Natured Alcohol. Run at least a
gallon thru the system. I would replace the master cyl seals. Raybetos Kit
(MK-33). Just use the seals and springs. The rest will not work. As for
logbook entries, I make up a Fluids list. This is so the next person will
not mix fluids which would ruin the system. Also never use Mil-H-5606 in the
brake system. You can switch all you F-24 struts to Dot 5, then you will not
mix match fluids around the airframe.

Jamie S. Treat

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Denest"
To:
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 5:29 AM
Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Brakes again

> Bob's right. Drain and flush, maybe put new seals in
> your master cylinders. However, do a maintenance
> record entry in your airframe log showing that you
> worked on the brakes.
> Mike
>
> --- Bob and Dot Haas
> wrote:
> > Get rid of all that junk fluid flush the
> > system and install
> > Dot 5 silicone. Be sure all fittings are tight
> > because it will find a
> > leak, but it washes off with water and will not hurt
> > the finish. It will
> > not absorb water over a period of time either. No
> > log book entry's
> > either.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pittss1_s [mailto:kineyko@hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 12:40 AM
> > To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [fairchildclub] Brakes again
> >
> > These brakes are still giving me a heck of a time.
> > One side still
> > has the old caster oil based fluid and I didn't have
> > any trouble with
> > it until I moved here to the desert. It now is
> > dragging so I'll only
> > get one or two landings in it before I get nervous.
> > After it cools
> > overnight, it's fine. The other side has DOT3 in it
> > and after a lot
> > of headaches, it was finally turned down to
> > tolerances when I had it
> > back east (in a humid environment.) It's fine to
> > this day. Any
> > thoughts?
> >
> > I'd like to change the castor fluid over to DOT3.
> > What is the best
> > way?
> >
> > Wallace Kineyko
> > NC81284
> >
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> >
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Tom and Carol Burmeister · Sun Nov 09, 2003 7:43 pm

'The DOT 5 silicone brake fluid is the way to go. FYI, it is also a good idea to change all of the copper gaskets at the banjo fittings located at the inlet of each of the brake expander tubes. The new copper gaskets can be duplicated at most auto parts stores. The copper gaskets are actually on some car airconditioning systems and some auto brake systems. Make sure that every fitting is clean and tight or you will experience leaks.

Bob and Dot Haas wrote: Get rid of all that junk fluid flush the system and install
Dot 5 silicone. Be sure all fittings are tight because it will find a
leak, but it washes off with water and will not hurt the finish. It will
not absorb water over a period of time either. No log book entry's
either.

-----Original Message-----
From: pittss1_s [mailto:kineyko@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 12:40 AM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fairchildclub] Brakes again

These brakes are still giving me a heck of a time. One side still
has the old caster oil based fluid and I didn't have any trouble with
it until I moved here to the desert. It now is dragging so I'll only
get one or two landings in it before I get nervous. After it cools
overnight, it's fine. The other side has DOT3 in it and after a lot
of headaches, it was finally turned down to tolerances when I had it
back east (in a humid environment.) It's fine to this day. Any
thoughts?

I'd like to change the castor fluid over to DOT3. What is the best
way?

Wallace Kineyko
NC81284

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pittss1_s · Post by **pittss1_s** » Sun Nov 09, 2003 7:45 pm

'Thanks guys,

All of you seem to favor DOT 5. Since the one side has DOT 3 should
I convert it over while I'm at it? Or should I use DOT 3 on both
sides? It seems from what I read that DOT 3 doesn't creep as much
but eats paint and soaks up water. Here in Arizona I don't have to
worry much about the humidity.

Also, do you think that the rubber bladders have swollen out here. I
can't think of a reason why I'd suddenly have a brake drag when I
have never had troubles on that side in the past. Thanks for all of
your help.

Wallace Kineyko
NC81284

--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, Jamie Treat
wrote:

> Wallace,
>
> Do what Bob and Mike stated. Flush with De-Natured Alcohol. Run at

least a

> gallon thru the system. I would replace the master cyl seals.

Raybetos Kit

> (MK-33). Just use the seals and springs. The rest will not work. As

for

> logbook entries, I make up a Fluids list. This is so the next

person will

> not mix fluids which would ruin the system. Also never use Mil-H-

5606 in the

> brake system. You can switch all you F-24 struts to Dot 5, then you

will not

> mix match fluids around the airframe.
>
> Jamie S. Treat
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Denest"
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 5:29 AM
> Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Brakes again
>
>
> > Bob's right. Drain and flush, maybe put new seals in
> > your master cylinders. However, do a maintenance
> > record entry in your airframe log showing that you
> > worked on the brakes.
> > Mike
> >
> > --- Bob and Dot Haas
> > wrote:
> > > Get rid of all that junk fluid flush the
> > > system and install
> > > Dot 5 silicone. Be sure all fittings are tight
> > > because it will find a
> > > leak, but it washes off with water and will not hurt
> > > the finish. It will
> > > not absorb water over a period of time either. No
> > > log book entry's
> > > either.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: pittss1_s [mailto:kineyko@h...]
> > > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 12:40 AM
> > > To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [fairchildclub] Brakes again
> > >
> > > These brakes are still giving me a heck of a time.
> > > One side still
> > > has the old caster oil based fluid and I didn't have
> > > any trouble with
> > > it until I moved here to the desert. It now is
> > > dragging so I'll only
> > > get one or two landings in it before I get nervous.
> > > After it cools
> > > overnight, it's fine. The other side has DOT3 in it
> > > and after a lot
> > > of headaches, it was finally turned down to
> > > tolerances when I had it
> > > back east (in a humid environment.) It's fine to
> > > this day. Any
> > > thoughts?
> > >
> > > I'd like to change the castor fluid over to DOT3.
> > > What is the best
> > > way?
> > >
> > > Wallace Kineyko
> > > NC81284
> > >
> > >
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Bob & Ileen Waldron · Sun Nov 09, 2003 10:09 pm

'Wallace,

One cause of excessive brake drag, is poor springs located between the pads.
Another cause is partial blockage of the vent hole in the master cylinder.
The vent hole in the cylinder is located under the protective 'tab' that you
can see when you remove the filler plug, and look straight down. I believe
that you can barely get at that hole. If that hole is plugged, then the
pressure won't release, when you take you foot off of the brake.

Bob Waldron
1939 24 I
rjWaldron@mmmpcc.org

----- Original Message -----
From: "pittss1_s"
To:
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 7:45 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Brakes again

> Thanks guys,
>
> All of you seem to favor DOT 5. Since the one side has DOT 3 should
> I convert it over while I'm at it? Or should I use DOT 3 on both
> sides? It seems from what I read that DOT 3 doesn't creep as much
> but eats paint and soaks up water. Here in Arizona I don't have to
> worry much about the humidity.
>
> Also, do you think that the rubber bladders have swollen out here. I
> can't think of a reason why I'd suddenly have a brake drag when I
> have never had troubles on that side in the past. Thanks for all of
> your help.
>
> Wallace Kineyko
> NC81284
>
> --- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, Jamie Treat
> wrote:
> > Wallace,
> >
> > Do what Bob and Mike stated. Flush with De-Natured Alcohol. Run at
> least a
> > gallon thru the system. I would replace the master cyl seals.
> Raybetos Kit
> > (MK-33). Just use the seals and springs. The rest will not work. As
> for
> > logbook entries, I make up a Fluids list. This is so the next
> person will
> > not mix fluids which would ruin the system. Also never use Mil-H-
> 5606 in the
> > brake system. You can switch all you F-24 struts to Dot 5, then you
> will not
> > mix match fluids around the airframe.
> >
> > Jamie S. Treat
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael Denest"
> > To:
> > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 5:29 AM
> > Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Brakes again
> >
> >
> > > Bob's right. Drain and flush, maybe put new seals in
> > > your master cylinders. However, do a maintenance
> > > record entry in your airframe log showing that you
> > > worked on the brakes.
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > --- Bob and Dot Haas
> > > wrote:
> > > > Get rid of all that junk fluid flush the
> > > > system and install
> > > > Dot 5 silicone. Be sure all fittings are tight
> > > > because it will find a
> > > > leak, but it washes off with water and will not hurt
> > > > the finish. It will
> > > > not absorb water over a period of time either. No
> > > > log book entry's
> > > > either.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: pittss1_s [mailto:kineyko@h...]
> > > > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 12:40 AM
> > > > To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [fairchildclub] Brakes again
> > > >
> > > > These brakes are still giving me a heck of a time.
> > > > One side still
> > > > has the old caster oil based fluid and I didn't have
> > > > any trouble with
> > > > it until I moved here to the desert. It now is
> > > > dragging so I'll only
> > > > get one or two landings in it before I get nervous.
> > > > After it cools
> > > > overnight, it's fine. The other side has DOT3 in it
> > > > and after a lot
> > > > of headaches, it was finally turned down to
> > > > tolerances when I had it
> > > > back east (in a humid environment.) It's fine to
> > > > this day. Any
> > > > thoughts?
> > > >
> > > > I'd like to change the castor fluid over to DOT3.
> > > > What is the best
> > > > way?
> > > >
> > > > Wallace Kineyko
> > > > NC81284
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pittss1_s · Post by **pittss1_s** » Fri Nov 21, 2003 10:37 am

'It seems that I kind of overlooked the obvious and didn't check the
vent cap on the master cylinder. The vent ball bearing was stuck and
was pressurizing the system when it was heated. That was why I
could't figure it out that the brake drag went away after the brakes
cooled. Thanks for all of your help with the system anyway. Brakes
are working fine now.

Wallace Kineyko

P.S. Speaking of filler caps does anyone have any spares? Mine are a
little rough and I'd like to replace them.'