Re: I almost made a big mistake on rebuilding the wings.

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robert Etter
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I almost made a big mistake on rebuilding the wings.

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'When I was installing the ailerons on the airplane, I found 2 things that were unknown to me.  The right side, center aileron mount had been whacked out of alignment, sometime in the past.  The bearing seat was knocked out of alignment by maybe 1/16" or so.  It made the inboard & outboard mounts not to fit well.  A 12" adjustable wrench solved the problem.The second problem was that I followed the rebuild closely.  Unknown to me, the UC-61 aileron counter weight recess in the left wing is about 1/4" wider (est.) than that on the identical area on the pre-War right civilian wing.  With the center mount issue above and the small opening, the rivets on the counter weight, didn't clear the inboard side of the opening. Straightening the bearing seat and a slight adjustment to the counter weight's shaft, everything fits nicely.I wish I had caught the difference between the 2 wings many years ago.
Is there anyone out there with a Warner 165 motor, that has had to install Push/Pull cables on the Throttle, Mixture, & Mag. Retard?   Either that, or does someone have some drawings of the OE interconnection hardware. I had some grand plans about flying to Casa Grande Fly-In in March.  It won't happen unless I drive. Bob Etter775-482-9243  '
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james chybicki
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Re: I almost made a big mistake on rebuilding the wings.

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'Hi RobertI have a few sets of NOS Throttle and Mixture Pushrods and bellcracks for UC-61A set up.See UC-61 parts catalog Page 72 Figure 67
Let em know if these can help you
Jim ChybickiRampRatOne-at-yahoo-dot-com



From: "Robert Etter robertetter@ymail.com [fairchildclub]"
To: Jamie Treat ; yahoogroups
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 12:39 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] I almost made a big mistake on rebuilding the wings.

  When I was installing the ailerons on the airplane, I found 2 things that were unknown to me.  The right side, center aileron mount had been whacked out of alignment, sometime in the past.  The bearing seat was knocked out of alignment by maybe 1/16" or so.  It made the inboard & outboard mounts not to fit well.  A 12" adjustable wrench solved the problem.The second problem was that I followed the rebuild closely.  Unknown to me, the UC-61 aileron counter weight recess in the left wing is about 1/4" wider (est.) than that on the identical area on the pre-War right civilian wing.  With the center mount issue above and the small opening, the rivets on the counter weight, didn't clear the inboard side of the opening. Straightening the bearing seat and a slight adjustment to the counter weight's shaft, everything fits nicely.I wish I had caught the difference between the 2 wings many years ago.
Is there anyone out there with a Warner 165 motor, that has had to install Push/Pull cables on the Throttle, Mixture, & Mag. Retard?   Either that, or does someone have some drawings of the OE interconnection hardware. I had some grand plans about flying to Casa Grande Fly-In in March.  It won't happen unless I drive. Bob Etter775-482-9243   #ygrps-yiv-1051345235 #ygrps-yiv-1051345235yiv2673965876 #ygrps-yiv-1051345235yiv2673965876 -- #ygrps-yiv-1051345235yiv2673965876ygrp-mkp { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;} #ygrps-yiv-1051345235 #ygrps-yiv-1051345235yiv2673965876 #ygrps-yiv-1051345235yiv2673965876ygrp-mkp hr { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} #ygrps-yiv-1051345235 #ygrps-yiv-1051345235yiv2673965876 #ygrps-yiv-1051345235yiv2673965876ygrp-mkp #ygrps-yiv-1051345235yiv2673965876hd { color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;} #ygrps-yiv-1051345235 #ygrps-yiv-1051345235yiv2673965876 #ygrps-yiv-1051345235yiv2673965876ygrp-mkp #ygrps-yiv-1051345235yiv2673965876ads { margin-bottom:10px;} #ygrps-yiv-1051345235 #ygrps-yiv-1051345235yiv2673965876 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robert Etter
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Re: I almost made a big mistake on rebuilding the wings.

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'I have enjoyed reading the UC-61 illustrated parts manual.  I had never seen it before.  A typical, I found a couple small errors.  I think they reversed the Throttle & Mixture controls Fig 67.  I have item #19, & #22,  but no #21.  It disappeared between the time the motor left for overhaul and the time that it came back.  The mixture system that I had was cable operated.  I think that, since I have a new cable, and none of the OE mixture control that went through the fire wall, I may just tie a cable to the fire wall end of item #22.  The throttle is missing most of the hardware.  I have the throttle knob, and a carburetor.  I don't remember if I even have the pivot for the bell crank.  Oh, by the way, the motor mount that I got back after the overhaul, isn't the one that I sent off.  That is a easy one to recognize.  My oil tank, and the motor mount aren't compatible.If I can stand the cold/wind, I might go and look at the back of the motor/carb to get a better idea about my options.The second error that I saw was on the drawing related to #42286 on the civilian 24's.   The two washers were missing from the UC- 61 drawing.I love the procedure for the wing rigging.  If forced me to make a new pot of coffee.Bob 
On Friday, January 22, 2016 12:16 PM, "james chybicki rampratone@yahoo.com [fairchildclub]" wrote:


  Hi RobertI have a few sets of NOS Throttle and Mixture Pushrods and bellcracks for UC-61A set up.See UC-61 parts catalog Page 72 Figure 67
Let em know if these can help you
Jim ChybickiRampRatOne-at-yahoo-dot-com



From: "Robert Etter robertetter@ymail.com [fairchildclub]"
To: Jamie Treat ; yahoogroups
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 12:39 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] I almost made a big mistake on rebuilding the wings.

  When I was installing the ailerons on the airplane, I found 2 things that were unknown to me.  The right side, center aileron mount had been whacked out of alignment, sometime in the past.  The bearing seat was knocked out of alignment by maybe 1/16" or so.  It made the inboard & outboard mounts not to fit well.  A 12" adjustable wrench solved the problem.The second problem was that I followed the rebuild closely.  Unknown to me, the UC-61 aileron counter weight recess in the left wing is about 1/4" wider (est.) than that on the identical area on the pre-War right civilian wing.  With the center mount issue above and the small opening, the rivets on the counter weight, didn't clear the inboard side of the opening. Straightening the bearing seat and a slight adjustment to the counter weight's shaft, everything fits nicely.I wish I had caught the difference between the 2 wings many years ago.
Is there anyone out there with a Warner 165 motor, that has had to install Push/Pull cables on the Throttle, Mixture, & Mag. Retard?   Either that, or does someone have some drawings of the OE interconnection hardware. I had some grand plans about flying to Casa Grande Fly-In in March.  It won't happen unless I drive. Bob Etter775-482-9243  

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Re: I almost made a big mistake on rebuilding the wings.

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'Pardon me for being lazy.  I haven't found it in print and don't want to dissemble the intake for the Warner 165, which arm on the carburetor is the throttle and which is the mixture.  I believe the idle mixture adjust is located above the one on the right side and the other control is located on the rear of the carburetor. I find it odd that I can't find it in print. (It is probably in the UC-61 material)Bob



On Saturday, January 23, 2016 10:34 AM, "Robert Etter robertetter@ymail.com [fairchildclub]" wrote:


  I have enjoyed reading the UC-61 illustrated parts manual.  I had never seen it before.  A typical, I found a couple small errors.  I think they reversed the Throttle & Mixture controls Fig 67.  I have item #19, & #22,  but no #21.  It disappeared between the time the motor left for overhaul and the time that it came back.  The mixture system that I had was cable operated.  I think that, since I have a new cable, and none of the OE mixture control that went through the fire wall, I may just tie a cable to the fire wall end of item #22.  The throttle is missing most of the hardware.  I have the throttle knob, and a carburetor.  I don't remember if I even have the pivot for the bell crank.  Oh, by the way, the motor mount that I got back after the overhaul, isn't the one that I sent off.  That is a easy one to recognize.  My oil tank, and the motor mount aren't compatible.If I can stand the cold/wind, I might go and look at the back of the motor/carb to get a better idea about my options.The second error that I saw was on the drawing related to #42286 on the civilian 24's.   The two washers were missing from the UC- 61 drawing.I love the procedure for the wing rigging.  If forced me to make a new pot of coffee.Bob 
On Friday, January 22, 2016 12:16 PM, "james chybicki rampratone@yahoo.com [fairchildclub]" wrote:


  Hi RobertI have a few sets of NOS Throttle and Mixture Pushrods and bellcracks for UC-61A set up.See UC-61 parts catalog Page 72 Figure 67
Let em know if these can help you
Jim ChybickiRampRatOne-at-yahoo-dot-com

From: "Robert Etter robertetter@ymail.com [fairchildclub]"
To: Jamie Treat ; yahoogroups
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 12:39 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] I almost made a big mistake on rebuilding the wings.

  When I was installing the ailerons on the airplane, I found 2 things that were unknown to me.  The right side, center aileron mount had been whacked out of alignment, sometime in the past.  The bearing seat was knocked out of alignment by maybe 1/16" or so.  It made the inboard & outboard mounts not to fit well.  A 12" adjustable wrench solved the problem.The second problem was that I followed the rebuild closely.  Unknown to me, the UC-61 aileron counter weight recess in the left wing is about 1/4" wider (est.) than that on the identical area on the pre-War right civilian wing.  With the center mount issue above and the small opening, the rivets on the counter weight, didn't clear the inboard side of the opening. Straightening the bearing seat and a slight adjustment to the counter weight's shaft, everything fits nicely.I wish I had caught the difference between the 2 wings many years ago.
Is there anyone out there with a Warner 165 motor, that has had to install Push/Pull cables on the Throttle, Mixture, & Mag. Retard?   Either that, or does someone have some drawings of the OE interconnection hardware. I had some grand plans about flying to Casa Grande Fly-In in March.  It won't happen unless I drive. Bob Etter775-482-9243  

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Re: I almost made a big mistake on rebuilding the wings.

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'Answered my own question.  AN 01-115CA-2  Page 47

On Saturday, January 23, 2016 3:32 PM, "Robert Etter robertetter@ymail.com [fairchildclub]" wrote:


  Pardon me for being lazy.  I haven't found it in print and don't want to dissemble the intake for the Warner 165, which arm on the carburetor is the throttle and which is the mixture.  I believe the idle mixture adjust is located above the one on the right side and the other control is located on the rear of the carburetor. I find it odd that I can't find it in print. (It is probably in the UC-61 material)Bob



On Saturday, January 23, 2016 10:34 AM, "Robert Etter robertetter@ymail.com [fairchildclub]" wrote:


  I have enjoyed reading the UC-61 illustrated parts manual.  I had never seen it before.  A typical, I found a couple small errors.  I think they reversed the Throttle & Mixture controls Fig 67.  I have item #19, & #22,  but no #21.  It disappeared between the time the motor left for overhaul and the time that it came back.  The mixture system that I had was cable operated.  I think that, since I have a new cable, and none of the OE mixture control that went through the fire wall, I may just tie a cable to the fire wall end of item #22.  The throttle is missing most of the hardware.  I have the throttle knob, and a carburetor.  I don't remember if I even have the pivot for the bell crank.  Oh, by the way, the motor mount that I got back after the overhaul, isn't the one that I sent off.  That is a easy one to recognize.  My oil tank, and the motor mount aren't compatible.If I can stand the cold/wind, I might go and look at the back of the motor/carb to get a better idea about my options.The second error that I saw was on the drawing related to #42286 on the civilian 24's.   The two washers were missing from the UC- 61 drawing.I love the procedure for the wing rigging.  If forced me to make a new pot of coffee.Bob 
On Friday, January 22, 2016 12:16 PM, "james chybicki rampratone@yahoo.com [fairchildclub]" wrote:


  Hi RobertI have a few sets of NOS Throttle and Mixture Pushrods and bellcracks for UC-61A set up.See UC-61 parts catalog Page 72 Figure 67
Let em know if these can help you
Jim ChybickiRampRatOne-at-yahoo-dot-com

From: "Robert Etter robertetter@ymail.com [fairchildclub]"
To: Jamie Treat ; yahoogroups
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 12:39 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] I almost made a big mistake on rebuilding the wings.

  When I was installing the ailerons on the airplane, I found 2 things that were unknown to me.  The right side, center aileron mount had been whacked out of alignment, sometime in the past.  The bearing seat was knocked out of alignment by maybe 1/16" or so.  It made the inboard & outboard mounts not to fit well.  A 12" adjustable wrench solved the problem.The second problem was that I followed the rebuild closely.  Unknown to me, the UC-61 aileron counter weight recess in the left wing is about 1/4" wider (est.) than that on the identical area on the pre-War right civilian wing.  With the center mount issue above and the small opening, the rivets on the counter weight, didn't clear the inboard side of the opening. Straightening the bearing seat and a slight adjustment to the counter weight's shaft, everything fits nicely.I wish I had caught the difference between the 2 wings many years ago.
Is there anyone out there with a Warner 165 motor, that has had to install Push/Pull cables on the Throttle, Mixture, & Mag. Retard?   Either that, or does someone have some drawings of the OE interconnection hardware. I had some grand plans about flying to Casa Grande Fly-In in March.  It won't happen unless I drive. Bob Etter775-482-9243  

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