Re: Spruce Spar Material

Seifert · Post by **Seifert** » Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:04 pm

'Does anyone in the club have a Spruce spar supplier they've delt with recently, besides Aircraft Spruce and wicks? One of our builders wants spar material for his F-24 and was told they can't supply pieces that large.

Thanks
Rich Seifert 909-790-1320

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rw_flyer · Post by **rw_flyer** » Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:19 pm

'Depending on how big a spar you need, I suggest lamination as the way to make up larger sized pieces. It is more work but results in a superior product.
For large material I've had to buy out of private stashes. Wicks & Spruce have set up exclusivity agreements that have locked out private buyers from the yards in Washington state that used to sell direct. I'm told there is a supplier in Elma that will still sell direct but I have no personal experience there.

To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
From: seifertr@verizon.net
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 11:04:41 -0800
Subject: [fairchildclub] Spruce Spar Material

Does anyone in the club have a Spruce spar supplier they've delt with recently, besides Aircraft Spruce and wicks? One of our builders wants spar material for his F-24 and was told they can't supply pieces that large.

Thanks

Rich Seifert 909-790-1320

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Jamie Treat · Post by **Jamie Treat** » Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:19 pm

'Rich,

Large stock is getting rare. It would be new old stock if you find.

Steen Aero Lab builds their own laminate spars for the same reason.

JST

From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Richard Seifert
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 12:05 PM
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Subject: [fairchildclub] Spruce Spar Material

Does anyone in the club have a Spruce spar supplier they've delt with
recently, besides Aircraft Spruce and wicks? One of our builders wants spar
material for his F-24 and was told they can't supply pieces that large.

Thanks
Rich Seifert 909-790-1320

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Jamie Treat · Post by **Jamie Treat** » Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:17 pm

'The bigger problem is the quality (rings per inch) is just large which
equals less strength.

JST

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From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Russell Williams
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 12:19 PM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Spruce Spar Material

Depending on how big a spar you need, I suggest lamination as the way to
make up larger sized pieces. It is more work but results in a superior
product.
For large material I've had to buy out of private stashes. Wicks & Spruce
have set up exclusivity agreements that have locked out private buyers from
the yards in Washington state that used to sell direct. I'm told there is a
supplier in Elma that will still sell direct but I have no personal
experience there.

To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
From: seifertr@verizon.net
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 11:04:41 -0800
Subject: [fairchildclub] Spruce Spar Material

Does anyone in the club have a Spruce spar supplier they've delt with
recently, besides Aircraft Spruce and wicks? One of our builders wants spar
material for his F-24 and was told they can't supply pieces that large.

Thanks

Rich Seifert 909-790-1320

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rw_flyer · Post by **rw_flyer** » Thu Jan 24, 2013 5:11 pm

'Grain density is only one of many factors although obviously important as Jamie points out. People should consult ANC-19 for guidance on grading.
I have more trouble finding suitable edge grained, non-spiraled, and limited knot hole material for large pieces. This is where splicing & laminating can come in handy since you get more opportunities to use good material and work around poor quality material that shows up as variation in a longish raw board.
While Spruce is expensive and limited in the sizes they can supply, in my experience they generally do a good job on grading and supplying decent quality pieces for spar-sized material. The material they supply for capstrip sized pieces is not as uniform but I'll accept some throwaway there. It isn't worth my time to make capstrip when it can be bought cheaply.
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From: jamietreat@q.com
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 14:17:07 -0700
Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Spruce Spar Material

The bigger problem is the quality (rings per inch) is just large which

equals less strength.

JST

-----Original Message-----

From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]

On Behalf Of Russell Williams

Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 12:19 PM

To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Spruce Spar Material

Depending on how big a spar you need, I suggest lamination as the way to

make up larger sized pieces. It is more work but results in a superior

product.

For large material I've had to buy out of private stashes. Wicks & Spruce

have set up exclusivity agreements that have locked out private buyers from

the yards in Washington state that used to sell direct. I'm told there is a

supplier in Elma that will still sell direct but I have no personal

experience there.

To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com

From: seifertr@verizon.net

Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 11:04:41 -0800

Subject: [fairchildclub] Spruce Spar Material

Does anyone in the club have a Spruce spar supplier they've delt with

recently, besides Aircraft Spruce and wicks? One of our builders wants spar

material for his F-24 and was told they can't supply pieces that large.

Thanks

Rich Seifert 909-790-1320

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Seifert · Post by **Seifert** » Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:32 am

'Thanks to all that responded to this request. It looks like my friend may have to laminate the spars,
Thanks again
Rich Seifert

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From: Richard Seifert
To: Fairchild Club
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:04 AM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Spruce Spar Material

Does anyone in the club have a Spruce spar supplier they've delt with recently, besides Aircraft Spruce and wicks? One of our builders wants spar material for his F-24 and was told they can't supply pieces that large.

Thanks
Rich Seifert 909-790-1320

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Jamie Treat · Post by **Jamie Treat** » Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:49 am

'Rich,

Drop Bill a note, see what he is doing.

Bill Scheunemann

Website: http://woodwings.com

Email: bill@woodwings.com

JST

From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Richard Seifert
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 9:30 AM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Spruce Spar Material

Thanks to all that responded to this request. It looks like my friend may
have to laminate the spars,
Thanks again
Rich Seifert

----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Seifert
To: Fairchild Club
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:04 AM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Spruce Spar Material

Does anyone in the club have a Spruce spar supplier they've delt with
recently, besides Aircraft Spruce and wicks? One of our builders wants spar
material for his F-24 and was told they can't supply pieces that large.

Thanks
Rich Seifert 909-790-1320

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Mark Gilmore · Post by **Mark Gilmore** » Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:24 pm

'http://www.precisionam.net/aviation_products.php
is the web address for Bill.

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From: Jamie Treat
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 12:49 PM
Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Spruce Spar Material

Rich,

Drop Bill a note, see what he is doing.

Bill Scheunemann

Website: http://woodwings.com

Email: mailto:bill%40woodwings.com

JST

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On Behalf Of Richard Seifert
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 9:30 AM
To: mailto:fairchildclub%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Spruce Spar Material

Thanks to all that responded to this request. It looks like my friend may
have to laminate the spars,
Thanks again
Rich Seifert

----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Seifert
To: Fairchild Club
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:04 AM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Spruce Spar Material

Does anyone in the club have a Spruce spar supplier they've delt with
recently, besides Aircraft Spruce and wicks? One of our builders wants spar
material for his F-24 and was told they can't supply pieces that large.

Thanks
Rich Seifert 909-790-1320

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Joe Philips · Post by **Joe Philips** » Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:43 pm

'Wow! What magnificant work! The F24 spars look like they're laminated
vertically, together. I wonder if he does the router work by CNC(!?)
Then glues the two halfs together. Regardless, nice work! Joe Philips
(old AC woodwork apprentice)

> http://www.precisionam.net/aviation_products.php
> is the web address for Bill.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Jamie Treat
> To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 12:49 PM
> Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Spruce Spar Material
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> Â
> Rich,
>
> Drop Bill a note, see what he is doing.
>
> Bill Scheunemann
>
> Website: http://woodwings.com
>
> Email: mailto:bill%40woodwings.com
>
> JST
>
> From: mailto:fairchildclub%40yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:mailto:fairchildclub%40yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Richard Seifert
> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 9:30 AM
> To: mailto:fairchildclub%40yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Spruce Spar Material
>
> Thanks to all that responded to this request. It looks like my friend may
> have to laminate the spars,
> Thanks again
> Rich Seifert
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Richard Seifert
> To: Fairchild Club
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:04 AM
> Subject: [fairchildclub] Spruce Spar Material
>
> Does anyone in the club have a Spruce spar supplier they've delt with
> recently, besides Aircraft Spruce and wicks? One of our builders wants
> spar
> material for his F-24 and was told they can't supply pieces that large.
>
> Thanks
> Rich Seifert 909-790-1320
>
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robert Etter · Post by **robert Etter** » Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:56 pm

'From what I am reading, the availability of big pieces of spruce is definitely getting harder. You might go to the North West and buy yourself a whole tree, then sell what you don't use.

I got my spars (4 each) 30 years ago. Even then they were laminated. 2 layers, then they were milled down. Nothing very new. I have 2 spars from a UC-61 and they were at least 6 layers thick before milling. I never have looked to see how many splices there may be length wise.

I don't even want to think about the cost for them at today's prices.

I am looking forward to covering wings and tail this summer.

Bob

--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Philips" wrote:
>
> Wow! What magnificant work! The F24 spars look like they're laminated
> vertically, together. I wonder if he does the router work by CNC(!?)
> Then glues the two halfs together. Regardless, nice work! Joe Philips
> (old AC woodwork apprentice)
>
> > http://www.precisionam.net/aviation_products.php
> > is the web address for Bill.
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Jamie Treat
> > To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 12:49 PM
> > Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Spruce Spar Material
> >
> > Â
> > Rich,
> >
> > Drop Bill a note, see what he is doing.
> >
> > Bill Scheunemann
> >
> > Website: http://woodwings.com
> >
> > Email: mailto:bill%40woodwings.com
> >
> > JST
> >
> > From: mailto:fairchildclub%40yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:mailto:fairchildclub%40yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of Richard Seifert
> > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 9:30 AM
> > To: mailto:fairchildclub%40yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Spruce Spar Material
> >
> > Thanks to all that responded to this request. It looks like my friend may
> > have to laminate the spars,
> > Thanks again
> > Rich Seifert
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Richard Seifert
> > To: Fairchild Club
> > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:04 AM
> > Subject: [fairchildclub] Spruce Spar Material
> >
> > Does anyone in the club have a Spruce spar supplier they've delt with
> > recently, besides Aircraft Spruce and wicks? One of our builders wants
> > spar
> > material for his F-24 and was told they can't supply pieces that large.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Rich Seifert 909-790-1320
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