Re: Data Plates

[tonyb42uk]

'Hello to all,
Following on from my request for old photos - this time about the
various maker's data plates.

I have recently been looking through the FAA records of M-62A-4,
NC9606H. This was originally a Fairchild-built Cornell Mk.I, RAF
serial no. FJ662, delivered to the RCAF in 1943 and flown at No.33
Elementary Flying Training School, Caron, Saskatchewan. In 1947
FJ662 was returned to the United States as an ex Lend-Lease supply,
purchased by the Tiffin School of Aeronautics, Tiffin, Ohio and
registered NC9606H. Seems to have had a chequered early civil career
as the fuselage was replaced by one from a PT-19A in 1948 and NC9606H
flew for a while with windscreens and open cockpits until a canopy
was refitted shortly before the Tiffin school sold the aircraft on.

About thirty years ago N9606H was cancelled from the US register and
exported to England for display purposes. Whether it was intended to
fly in the UK is not entirely clear, however an accident during
shipping meant the Cornell only ever appeared as damaged or partially
restored static exhibit. After passing through two aviation museums,
both of which closed, the Cornell passed into private hands for an
intended rebuild to flying condition and after a recent change of
owner has now been registered in the UK.

On a couple of documents from 1951 someone inadvertantly entered a
spurious serial no. which has since caused some confusion. Having
previously done a little delving into the Manufacturers Aircraft
Association, Inc. plate numbers I eventually recognised this spurious
serial as such a plate number. Had I not have seen a variety of
Fairchild plates I would perhaps not made that connection. I assume
the purpose of the MAA was the protection of the members individual
patents. However, it seems not all manufacturers were members of the
MAA and as yet I have not seen what the maker's plates from an
Aeronca, Fleet, Howard or St Louis-built PT-19 or 23 look like, or
even whether they had MAA plates.

May I therefore ask if anyone has an original plate from a M-62 built
by one of the above sub-contractors would they please e-mail me a
scan or photograph with dimensions to broadhurst@talk21.com.

This would provide me with a better insight and may enable me to help
someone in the future.

Thank you all, Tony Broadhurst'

[Michael Denest]

'Tony,
I've seen plates from Fiarchild, Aeronca, Fleet and Howard and can say that they have the MAA plates. They are basically the same except for the manufacturer's name and city location. Sorry, I can't send pictures, they're all installed in airplanes!

I assume you know that US built lend-lease airplanes have a USAAF S/N?

Mike

Quando omni flunkus moritati
(If all else fails, play dead)
- "Red" Green



----- Original Message ----
From: tonyb42uk
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 5:40:40 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Data Plates

Hello to all,
Following on from my request for old photos - this time about the
various maker's data plates.

I have recently been looking through the FAA records of M-62A-4,
NC9606H. This was originally a Fairchild-built Cornell Mk.I, RAF
serial no. FJ662, delivered to the RCAF in 1943 and flown at No.33
Elementary Flying Training School, Caron, Saskatchewan. In 1947
FJ662 was returned to the United States as an ex Lend-Lease supply,
purchased by the Tiffin School of Aeronautics, Tiffin, Ohio and
registered NC9606H. Seems to have had a chequered early civil career
as the fuselage was replaced by one from a PT-19A in 1948 and NC9606H
flew for a while with windscreens and open cockpits until a canopy
was refitted shortly before the Tiffin school sold the aircraft on.

About thirty years ago N9606H was cancelled from the US register and
exported to England for display purposes. Whether it was intended to
fly in the UK is not entirely clear, however an accident during
shipping meant the Cornell only ever appeared as damaged or partially
restored static exhibit. After passing through two aviation museums,
both of which closed, the Cornell passed into private hands for an
intended rebuild to flying condition and after a recent change of
owner has now been registered in the UK.

On a couple of documents from 1951 someone inadvertantly entered a
spurious serial no. which has since caused some confusion. Having
previously done a little delving into the Manufacturers Aircraft
Association, Inc. plate numbers I eventually recognised this spurious
serial as such a plate number. Had I not have seen a variety of
Fairchild plates I would perhaps not made that connection. I assume
the purpose of the MAA was the protection of the members individual
patents. However, it seems not all manufacturers were members of the
MAA and as yet I have not seen what the maker's plates from an
Aeronca, Fleet, Howard or St Louis-built PT-19 or 23 look like, or
even whether they had MAA plates.

May I therefore ask if anyone has an original plate from a M-62 built
by one of the above sub-contractors would they please e-mail me a
scan or photograph with dimensions to broadhurst@talk21. com.

This would provide me with a better insight and may enable me to help
someone in the future.

Thank you all, Tony Broadhurst





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[tonyb42uk]

'Hi Mike,
Thanks for that reassurance. I had assumed at one stage assumed that
the maker's plates were all much the same until seeing a the plate
from a Howard DGA which was very different and that reminded me of
seeing a similar small St.Louis plate at Oshkosh.

As there were only 93 Fleet-built PT-23 there are now very few left
to find.

A little more advise, if I may please!

On a Fairchild-built PT-19 the maker's plate is on the right of the
front panel and and the USAAF acceptance plate is on the left hand
side. Is that correct? And, possibly the same in an Aeronca-built
model?

I think with the larger instrument array in the Fairchild-built PT-26
the plates were repositioned on the bulkhead behind the front seat.
Is that correct? Some years ago John Mertesdorf sending me photos of
his.

The Fleet plates were behind the seat on each of the PT-26A and Bs I
have seen. Is that always the case? - except for the early Fleet
Cornell II which only have a small c/no plate on the pylon and no AAF
acceptance plate.

I have compiled a PT-26 production list with all maker's, RAF, RCAF
and AAF serials which I would like to send you for appraisal. As yet
I have not found the best format in which to send it. Have had
several attempts returned as unreadable!

Thanks for any further help, Tony

--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, Michael Denest
wrote:

>
> Tony,
> I've seen plates from Fiarchild, Aeronca, Fleet and Howard and can

say that they have the MAA plates. They are basically the same
except for the manufacturer's name and city location. Sorry, I can't
send pictures, they're all installed in airplanes!

>
> I assume you know that US built lend-lease airplanes have a USAAF

S/N?

>
> Mike
>
> Quando omni flunkus moritati
> (If all else fails, play dead)
> - "Red" Green

'