Re: Fairchild 24G/H tailwheel conversion -- 337's and/or info soug

[dcasali]

'Hello All,

I am in the process of rebuilding my 24G after ground looping
it, and I am planning to replace the free-pivoting tailwheel with a
steerable tailwheel.

In the process of looking into how this might be done, I've been in touch
with Hal Bishop, who also has an early model 24 and is attempting the
same conversion.

He obtained a steerable 24 tailwheel strut from Charlie Bell, and has
discovered that fitting that strut into the early airframe will take
some doing... it doesn't just bolt in. A lower frame member interferes,
and the top attach bolt is in a different location. In addition, one
must add the
bellcrank mechanism behind the seats to carry the tailwheel control
cables back.

I saw one pre-war 24 with a Scott tailwheel at a fly-in in 2003, and
took some pictures.

(See the following link for pictures of it and of my aircraft)


http://members.cox.com/dcasali/


From the pictures the Scott installation looks very straightforward.
I'm wondering if any of you have a 337 for this or know anyone who has
done a similar conversion?

Also, is there anything you would watch out for if you were attempting
this conversion?

Thanks in advance...

Dan Casali


--
Dan Casali
MacWizard
Box 1286 Ketchum, ID 83340
208.726.5120


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[ranger440c5]

'I had seen this very conversion (Scott 3200) on a F24, liked it,
bought records on CD from FAA, no mention of conversion in records. I
won't say anymore on that one.
That is most correct...a steerable unit won't replace a swiveler.
Saw this performed on an H. They got it in there but there is NO room
to spare. The steering horns have to be shortened, the upper
mountpoint welded and altered, and some questionable cable routings.
It works but still appears a marginal solution. That Scott 3200 looks
like a final word to the issue.
Hal Bishop? Doesn't he have Stampes?

--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, Dan Casali wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
> I am in the process of rebuilding my 24G after ground looping
> it, and I am planning to replace the free-pivoting tailwheel with a
> steerable tailwheel.
>
> In the process of looking into how this might be done, I've been in
touch
> with Hal Bishop, who also has an early model 24 and is attempting
the
> same conversion.
>
> He obtained a steerable 24 tailwheel strut from Charlie Bell, and
has
> discovered that fitting that strut into the early airframe will take
> some doing... it doesn't just bolt in. A lower frame member
interferes,
> and the top attach bolt is in a different location. In addition,
one
> must add the
> bellcrank mechanism behind the seats to carry the tailwheel control
> cables back.
>
> I saw one pre-war 24 with a Scott tailwheel at a fly-in in 2003,
and
> took some pictures.
>
> (See the following link for pictures of it and of my aircraft)
>
>
> http://members.cox.com/dcasali/
>
>
> From the pictures the Scott installation looks very
straightforward.
> I'm wondering if any of you have a 337 for this or know anyone who
has
> done a similar conversion?
>
> Also, is there anything you would watch out for if you were
attempting
> this conversion?
>
> Thanks in advance...
>
> Dan Casali
>
>
> --
> Dan Casali
> MacWizard
> Box 1286 Ketchum, ID 83340
> 208.726.5120
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

'

[dcasali]

'Wow, I never would have thought of ordering the FAA CD on someone else's
aircraft... that is a great idea.

And thanks for the detailed info on the conversion difficulties.

On the Scott, the only downsides I can think of are the torsional load
on the rudder, and the effect on weight and balance putting that
assembly a foot or so farther back. I noticed the aircraft I saw had a
Hamilton Standard prop on its nose, so no issue for them.

I've only talked to Hal once; I caught him just as he was leaving town
until the end of this month. Don't know if he has Stampes. He did sign
up for our list, and should be back on 1 December.

Dan Casali

ranger440c5 wrote:

>
> I had seen this very conversion (Scott 3200) on a F24, liked it,
> bought records on CD from FAA, no mention of conversion in records. I
> won't say anymore on that one.
> That is most correct...a steerable unit won't replace a swiveler.
> Saw this performed on an H. They got it in there but there is NO room
> to spare. The steering horns have to be shortened, the upper
> mountpoint welded and altered, and some questionable cable routings.
> It works but still appears a marginal solution. That Scott 3200 looks
> like a final word to the issue.
> Hal Bishop? Doesn't he have Stampes?
>

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[ranger440c5]

'I have always wondered why people request 337's for modifications. It
is public information. And since they went to CD it is about$5 (might
be $7.50 now) you order online at the registry inquiry page with a
credit card. All you need is an N number. If you see an airplane or
hear of a modification just get the N number and order the CD. I have
done this on MANY aircraft, especially older inactive aircraft. They
are still registered but may not really exist. If you find an
interesting modification before 1957(IIRC?) it is approved data,
meaning a simple 337 with no FAA signoff and a log entry.

--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, Dan Casali wrote:
>
> Wow, I never would have thought of ordering the FAA CD on someone
else's
> aircraft... that is a great idea.
>
> And thanks for the detailed info on the conversion difficulties.
>
> On the Scott, the only downsides I can think of are the torsional
load
> on the rudder, and the effect on weight and balance putting that
> assembly a foot or so farther back. I noticed the aircraft I saw
had a
> Hamilton Standard prop on its nose, so no issue for them.
>
> I've only talked to Hal once; I caught him just as he was leaving
town
> until the end of this month. Don't know if he has Stampes. He did
sign
> up for our list, and should be back on 1 December.
>
> Dan Casali
>
> ranger440c5 wrote:
> >
> > I had seen this very conversion (Scott 3200) on a F24, liked it,
> > bought records on CD from FAA, no mention of conversion in
records. I
> > won't say anymore on that one.
> > That is most correct...a steerable unit won't replace a swiveler.
> > Saw this performed on an H. They got it in there but there is NO
room
> > to spare. The steering horns have to be shortened, the upper
> > mountpoint welded and altered, and some questionable cable
routings.
> > It works but still appears a marginal solution. That Scott 3200
looks
> > like a final word to the issue.
> > Hal Bishop? Doesn't he have Stampes?
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

'

[sv4c@uslink.net]

'Yes, we do have Stampes. We have been in the Stampe world for about 32 years. At present we have 2 projects. One we will put a LOM up front. The other, an orginal Renault. Hal and Jeanene Bishop

>
> From: Dan Casali
> Date: 2006/11/19 Sun PM 07:00:32 CST
> To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: Fairchild 24G/H tailwheel conversion --
> 337's and/or info sought
>
> Wow, I never would have thought of ordering the FAA CD on someone else's
> aircraft... that is a great idea.
>
> And thanks for the detailed info on the conversion difficulties.
>
> On the Scott, the only downsides I can think of are the torsional load
> on the rudder, and the effect on weight and balance putting that
> assembly a foot or so farther back. I noticed the aircraft I saw had a
> Hamilton Standard prop on its nose, so no issue for them.
>
> I've only talked to Hal once; I caught him just as he was leaving town
> until the end of this month. Don't know if he has Stampes. He did sign
> up for our list, and should be back on 1 December.
>
> Dan Casali
>
> ranger440c5 wrote:
> >
> > I had seen this very conversion (Scott 3200) on a F24, liked it,
> > bought records on CD from FAA, no mention of conversion in records. I
> > won't say anymore on that one.
> > That is most correct...a steerable unit won't replace a swiveler.
> > Saw this performed on an H. They got it in there but there is NO room
> > to spare. The steering horns have to be shortened, the upper
> > mountpoint welded and altered, and some questionable cable routings.
> > It works but still appears a marginal solution. That Scott 3200 looks
> > like a final word to the issue.
> > Hal Bishop? Doesn't he have Stampes?
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

'

[ranger440c5]

'Say, didn't you have a Standard Waco cabin to work on? S-7? Don't tell
it's done!

--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
>
> Yes, we do have Stampes. We have been in the Stampe world for about
32 years. At present we have 2 projects. One we will put a LOM up
front. The other, an orginal Renault. Hal and Jeanene Bishop

'