Re: PT-19 Brake Bladders.

avdflyr · Post by **avdflyr** » Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:44 pm

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Hey guys, I just put hydraulic juice into my NEW, NOS, (purchased two years ago from 'the barrel") and pressed the brake pedals. My brake bladders leaked all over the floor on both brakes. Is there any "fresh" bladders out there anywhere. Or, who is now selling GOOD NOS bladders.??
Fritz
San Diego.'

james chybicki · Post by **james chybicki** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:30 am

' Convert to Cleveland systemWe fought against it for a few years, but finally gave in and converted to the Cleveland Brake System. We should have done it at the beginning of the restoration on our UC-61K, fighting with leaking bladders and temperamental Hayes Brakes and lack of GOOD parts finally help us cross over to ClevelandsJim CUC-61K N24FM

On Wednesday, October 30, 2019, 09:52:49 PM CDT, avdflyr@cox.net [fairchildclub] wrote:

Hey guys, I just put hydraulic juice into my NEW, NOS, (purchased two years ago from 'the barrel") and pressed the brake pedals. My brake bladders leaked all over the floor on both brakes. Is there any "fresh" bladders out there anywhere. Or, who is now selling GOOD NOS bladders.??
Fritz
San Diego. '

Michael Thomas · Post by **Michael Thomas** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:09 am

' Which Cleveland brakes should one use. Is there a particular part number this is STC for the UC-61K / 1940 F24W ?
Mike

On Thursday, October 31, 2019, 10:05:36 AM CDT, james chybicki rampratone@yahoo.com [fairchildclub] wrote:

Convert to Cleveland systemWe fought against it for a few years, but finally gave in and converted to the Cleveland Brake System. We should have done it at the beginning of the restoration on our UC-61K, fighting with leaking bladders and temperamental Hayes Brakes and lack of GOOD parts finally help us cross over to ClevelandsJim CUC-61K N24FM

On Wednesday, October 30, 2019, 09:52:49 PM CDT, avdflyr@cox.net [fairchildclub] wrote:

Hey guys, I just put hydraulic juice into my NEW, NOS, (purchased two years ago from 'the barrel") and pressed the brake pedals. My brake bladders leaked all over the floor on both brakes. Is there any "fresh" bladders out there anywhere. Or, who is now selling GOOD NOS bladders.??
Fritz
San Diego. '

tony anger · Post by **tony anger** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:26 am

'I’m very interested in doing this to my PT 26 is there a kit or do you have to manufacture most of it and what is the cost involved?

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On Oct 31, 2019, at 8:05 AM, james chybicki rampratone@yahoo.com [fairchildclub] wrote:

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Convert to Cleveland systemWe fought against it for a few years, but finally gave in and converted to the Cleveland Brake System. We should have done it at the beginning of the restoration on our UC-61K, fighting with leaking bladders and temperamental Hayes Brakes and lack of GOOD parts finally help us cross over to ClevelandsJim CUC-61K N24FM

On Wednesday, October 30, 2019, 09:52:49 PM CDT, avdflyr@cox.net [fairchildclub] wrote:

Hey guys, I just put hydraulic juice into my NEW, NOS, (purchased two years ago from 'the barrel") and pressed the brake pedals. My brake bladders leaked all over the floor on both brakes. Is there any "fresh" bladders out there anywhere. Or, who is now selling GOOD NOS bladders.??
Fritz
San Diego.
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tomatotruck993 · Post by **tomatotruck993** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:34 pm

'James offered very good advice on the Clevelands. If you look at the last production date for the 24 series and add about 5 years to that and odds are there was no renewed production of any of the rubber parts of any of the 24 series systems unless they were still actively being installed in other oem's aircraft at the time. Standardized items like O-rings and etc. excluded. That new NOS brake tube you purchased was at least 40 shelf years old. The chance of finding something newer is very slim. '

james chybicki · Post by **james chybicki** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:16 pm

' MikeWe used the Cessna 310 Wheel, so Tires size stayed same, and Cessna 210, 2 puck Brake set up. We worked closely with Jamie Treat, and the FAA Chicago Fisdo. We had an engineering firm assist in the design for a Brake Drum to Wheel adapter and received a FAA Field Approval (337) for N24FM, our UC-61K / F24R46. There are a few others out there that have also been very successful with conversion to Cleveland systems. When your ready, I can help you.
Jim C

On Thursday, October 31, 2019, 02:31:59 PM CDT, Michael Thomas michael_thomas8@yahoo.com [fairchildclub] wrote:

Which Cleveland brakes should one use. Is there a particular part number this is STC for the UC-61K / 1940 F24W ?
Mike

On Thursday, October 31, 2019, 10:05:36 AM CDT, james chybicki rampratone@yahoo.com [fairchildclub] wrote:

Convert to Cleveland systemWe fought against it for a few years, but finally gave in and converted to the Cleveland Brake System. We should have done it at the beginning of the restoration on our UC-61K, fighting with leaking bladders and temperamental Hayes Brakes and lack of GOOD parts finally help us cross over to ClevelandsJim CUC-61K N24FM

On Wednesday, October 30, 2019, 09:52:49 PM CDT, avdflyr@cox.net [fairchildclub] wrote:

Hey guys, I just put hydraulic juice into my NEW, NOS, (purchased two years ago from 'the barrel") and pressed the brake pedals. My brake bladders leaked all over the floor on both brakes. Is there any "fresh" bladders out there anywhere. Or, who is now selling GOOD NOS bladders.??
Fritz
San Diego. '

james chybicki · Post by **james chybicki** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:25 pm

' We did buy NOS bladders from 3 different sources, 1 set was so stiff we could not get any movement out of the tube, one set leaked at the stem. Glue must have dried around the valve stem neck. the 3rd set worked good on the bench, but after install, and some taxi tests we noticed fading brakes one day, and grabbing brakes another. After we removed them for inspection, we noticed the best set of Bladder tubes we installed had some hard spots that would not expand the same distance as the rest of the tube. After about 9 months of fighting that gremlin, for our safety, and those around us, we converted to the Cleveland system.I am sure there are still many aircraft flying and using they HAYES system just fine. But for us, we modernized.
thanksJIM CN24FMUC-61K 43-14964/HB690

On Thursday, October 31, 2019, 04:34:19 PM CDT, wsknettl@centurytel.net [fairchildclub] wrote:

James offered very good advice on the Clevelands. If you look at the last production date for the 24 series and add about 5 years to that and odds are there was no renewed production of any of the rubber parts of any of the 24 series systems unless they were still actively being installed in other oem's aircraft at the time. Standardized items like O-rings and etc. excluded. That new NOS brake tube you purchased was at least 40 shelf years old. The chance of finding something newer is very slim. '

tony anger · Post by **tony anger** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:28 pm

'Thank you very much brother I’ll let you know

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On Oct 31, 2019, at 6:16 PM, james chybicki rampratone@yahoo.com [fairchildclub] wrote:

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MikeWe used the Cessna 310 Wheel, so Tires size stayed same, and Cessna 210, 2 puck Brake set up. We worked closely with Jamie Treat, and the FAA Chicago Fisdo. We had an engineering firm assist in the design for a Brake Drum to Wheel adapter and received a FAA Field Approval (337) for N24FM, our UC-61K / F24R46. There are a few others out there that have also been very successful with conversion to Cleveland systems. When your ready, I can help you.
Jim C

On Thursday, October 31, 2019, 02:31:59 PM CDT, Michael Thomas michael_thomas8@yahoo.com [fairchildclub] wrote:

Which Cleveland brakes should one use. Is there a particular part number this is STC for the UC-61K / 1940 F24W ?
Mike

On Thursday, October 31, 2019, 10:05:36 AM CDT, james chybicki rampratone@yahoo.com [fairchildclub] wrote:

Convert to Cleveland systemWe fought against it for a few years, but finally gave in and converted to the Cleveland Brake System. We should have done it at the beginning of the restoration on our UC-61K, fighting with leaking bladders and temperamental Hayes Brakes and lack of GOOD parts finally help us cross over to ClevelandsJim CUC-61K N24FM

On Wednesday, October 30, 2019, 09:52:49 PM CDT, avdflyr@cox.net [fairchildclub] wrote:

Hey guys, I just put hydraulic juice into my NEW, NOS, (purchased two years ago from 'the barrel") and pressed the brake pedals. My brake bladders leaked all over the floor on both brakes. Is there any "fresh" bladders out there anywhere. Or, who is now selling GOOD NOS bladders.??
Fritz
San Diego.
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Michael Thomas · Post by **Michael Thomas** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:22 pm

' Thank you for the info Jim, I have been wondering where to start.
Mike

On Thursday, October 31, 2019, 8:16:33 PM CDT, james chybicki rampratone@yahoo.com [fairchildclub] wrote:

MikeWe used the Cessna 310 Wheel, so Tires size stayed same, and Cessna 210, 2 puck Brake set up. We worked closely with Jamie Treat, and the FAA Chicago Fisdo. We had an engineering firm assist in the design for a Brake Drum to Wheel adapter and received a FAA Field Approval (337) for N24FM, our UC-61K / F24R46. There are a few others out there that have also been very successful with conversion to Cleveland systems. When your ready, I can help you.
Jim C

On Thursday, October 31, 2019, 02:31:59 PM CDT, Michael Thomas michael_thomas8@yahoo.com [fairchildclub] wrote:

Which Cleveland brakes should one use. Is there a particular part number this is STC for the UC-61K / 1940 F24W ?
Mike

On Thursday, October 31, 2019, 10:05:36 AM CDT, james chybicki rampratone@yahoo.com [fairchildclub] wrote:

Convert to Cleveland systemWe fought against it for a few years, but finally gave in and converted to the Cleveland Brake System. We should have done it at the beginning of the restoration on our UC-61K, fighting with leaking bladders and temperamental Hayes Brakes and lack of GOOD parts finally help us cross over to ClevelandsJim CUC-61K N24FM

On Wednesday, October 30, 2019, 09:52:49 PM CDT, avdflyr@cox.net [fairchildclub] wrote:

Hey guys, I just put hydraulic juice into my NEW, NOS, (purchased two years ago from 'the barrel") and pressed the brake pedals. My brake bladders leaked all over the floor on both brakes. Is there any "fresh" bladders out there anywhere. Or, who is now selling GOOD NOS bladders.??
Fritz
San Diego. '

Fritz · Post by **Fritz** » Fri Nov 01, 2019 7:51 am

'Is it possible that someone can provide part numbers for both the 310 Cessna and for the 210 Cessna parts required to make this conversion. It appears as though the 210 brake pads are preferred with the 310 wheels. Also if there is a 337, or a field approval available that someone could make available to the membership, if this hasn't been done before of course., It would certainly be a great help to all concerned.Fritz

On Oct 31, 2019 6:16 PM, "james chybicki rampratone@yahoo.com [fairchildclub]" wrote:

MikeWe used the Cessna 310 Wheel, so Tires size stayed same, and Cessna 210, 2 puck Brake set up. We worked closely with Jamie Treat, and the FAA Chicago Fisdo. We had an engineering firm assist in the design for a Brake Drum to Wheel adapter and received a FAA Field Approval (337) for N24FM, our UC-61K / F24R46. There are a few others out there that have also been very successful with conversion to Cleveland systems. When your ready, I can help you.
Jim C

On Thursday, October 31, 2019, 02:31:59 PM CDT, Michael Thomas michael_thomas8@yahoo.com [fairchildclub] wrote:

Which Cleveland brakes should one use. Is there a particular part number this is STC for the UC-61K / 1940 F24W ?
Mike

On Thursday, October 31, 2019, 10:05:36 AM CDT, james chybicki rampratone@yahoo.com [fairchildclub] wrote:

Convert to Cleveland systemWe fought against it for a few years, but finally gave in and converted to the Cleveland Brake System. We should have done it at the beginning of the restoration on our UC-61K, fighting with leaking bladders and temperamental Hayes Brakes and lack of GOOD parts finally help us cross over to ClevelandsJim CUC-61K N24FM

On Wednesday, October 30, 2019, 09:52:49 PM CDT, avdflyr@cox.net [fairchildclub] wrote:

Hey guys, I just put hydraulic juice into my NEW, NOS, (purchased two years ago from 'the barrel") and pressed the brake pedals. My brake bladders leaked all over the floor on both brakes. Is there any "fresh" bladders out there anywhere. Or, who is now selling GOOD NOS bladders.??
Fritz
San Diego.

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