Re: Bleeding Hayes

dc871f · Post by **dc871f** » Mon Jun 06, 2016 2:30 pm

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So I guess its almost impossible to bleed these things?

Rebuilt master, tail in the air, reservoir full, new rubber hose between both hard lines, lines are free of blockages and cleaned out.

I replaced the expander tube. I cannot get anything to pull through using a mityvac bleeder.

What am I missing? This should be a straight forward job, but yet I find myself wanting to yell and scream.

Thanks for any advise.'

robert Etter · Post by **robert Etter** » Mon Jun 06, 2016 5:27 pm

'No brakes with all that? When I did mine, I had one good and one a big ZERO. I didn't do a functional test on the expander tubes. It physically looked good, but internally it was hard as a rock. 120 psi wouldn't move it. Removed & replace the bad one. Great......I have much the same problem on a British car. I finally went with the vacuum system on the wheel with the catch can and lightly pressurized, maybe 5 psi, on the Master cylinder.I understand the yelling and screaming, been there and done that. The only thing, like I found above, check your expander tubes for functionality. The worst thing to happen is to spill DOT 3 on the fuselage fabric or the gear leg or both. Voice of experience. Good luckBob

On Monday, June 6, 2016 1:30 PM, "dc871f@yahoo.com [fairchildclub]" wrote:

So I guess its almost impossible to bleed these things?
Rebuilt master, tail in the air, reservoir full, new rubber hose between both hard lines, lines are free of blockages and cleaned out.
I replaced the expander tube. I cannot get anything to pull through using a mityvac bleeder.
What am I missing? This should be a straight forward job, but yet I find myself wanting to yell and scream.
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patteenews · Post by **patteenews** » Mon Jun 06, 2016 9:58 pm

'I used a $10 Home Depot HDX 1 Gal. Sprayer and pressure bled from the wheels up. I put rags underneath the master to catch the little bit of overflow. Brake pressure was decent after the first bleed and test flight. The second bleed removed the remaining air. Those installed expander tubes were pliable. Another set of tubes from a place in Fresno seemed too firm and I did not use those.
David PatteeN81361, KRBD

On Jun 6, 2016, at 18:27, Robert Etter robertetter@ymail.com [fairchildclub] wrote:

No brakes with all that? When I did mine, I had one good and one a big ZERO. I didn't do a functional test on the expander tubes. It physically looked good, but internally it was hard as a rock. 120 psi wouldn't move it. Removed & replace the bad one. Great......I have much the same problem on a British car. I finally went with the vacuum system on the wheel with the catch can and lightly pressurized, maybe 5 psi, on the Master cylinder.I understand the yelling and screaming, been there and done that. The only thing, like I found above, check your expander tubes for functionality. The worst thing to happen is to spill DOT 3 on the fuselage fabric or the gear leg or both. Voice of experience. Good luckBob

On Monday, June 6, 2016 1:30 PM, "dc871f@yahoo.com [fairchildclub]" wrote:

So I guess its almost impossible to bleed these things?
Rebuilt master, tail in the air, reservoir full, new rubber hose between both hard lines, lines are free of blockages and cleaned out.
I replaced the expander tube. I cannot get anything to pull through using a mityvac bleeder.
What am I missing? This should be a straight forward job, but yet I find myself wanting to yell and scream.
Thanks for any advise.

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dc871f · Post by **dc871f** » Tue Jun 07, 2016 5:15 am

'The expander tube is pliable, dont see any reason for it not to be functional.
How did you hook it up to the bleeder valve? Just push tube over it, it fit ok?
I'll give that a try, at least it will be something different.
I came home and medicated with some good red wine, and now I'm ready for a new day of sliping and sliding in some more brake fluid.
I'll add that I got my master overhauled at Whitepost in Virginia, it looks brand new.
Thanks for the help guys.'

dc871f · Post by **dc871f** » Tue Jun 07, 2016 2:55 pm

'So I went and got the $10 yard sprayer, and like magic I was able to force fluid to the master.
Thanks for the suggestion, if your near JAX,FL I'll by you a round.
David NC20619'

robert Etter · Post by **robert Etter** » Tue Jun 07, 2016 4:28 pm

'A different idea.With the accessibility to the Master cylinder as much fun as it is, I fed my brakes from the bottom up. I made what amounts to an IV bottle, filled it with Dot 5, and fed it into the bleeder nipple via a clear plastic hose. I could watch the tiny bubbles in the hose, and knew that it was feeding fluid into the system. When the master cylinder got about 1/2 full, I closed the bleeder nipple. Then cycled the brake a couple times, held it down on the last stroke until the air could settle in the hit point at the top of the main gear, than released the pressure so the air would be pulled toward the master cylinder. You would say it would leak past the bleeder nipple treads, not if while everything is clean and dry, back the bleeder nipple out about 1/2 turn, then run a tiny bead of RTV between the banjo bolt & bleeder nipple. Then go get lunch or take a nap, by the time you get back, it won't leak at all.It won't take long to fill it up, it the bottle is 6-7 feet above the wheel, you are looking at 6-7 psi on the fluid at the wheel. Sounds dumb, doesn't it. It is sort of like watching grass grow. Bob

On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 1:55 PM, "dc871f@yahoo.com [fairchildclub]" wrote:

So I went and got the $10 yard sprayer, and like magic I was able to force fluid to the master.
Thanks for the suggestion, if your near JAX,FL I'll by you a round.
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