'One of the members is looking for an instrument overhaul facility. Anyone have any I can pass on to him? Thanks!
Keep 'Em Flying!
Mike Kelly
Fairchild Club'
Re: Instrument overhaul.
Re: Instrument overhaul.
'Kansas Instruments in Wichita
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Subject: [fairchildclub] Instrument overhaul.
One of the members is looking for an instrument overhaul facility. Anyone
have any I can pass on to him? Thanks!
Keep 'Em Flying!
Mike Kelly
Fairchild Club
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From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Michael kelly
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 7:40 AM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fairchildclub] Instrument overhaul.
One of the members is looking for an instrument overhaul facility. Anyone
have any I can pass on to him? Thanks!
Keep 'Em Flying!
Mike Kelly
Fairchild Club
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Joe Preston
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Re: Instrument overhaul.
'Keystone Instruments in Lockhaven PA. I have used them and they provide good
service
http://www.keystoneinstruments.com/
Joe
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On Behalf Of Michael kelly
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 10:40
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fairchildclub] Instrument overhaul.
One of the members is looking for an instrument overhaul facility. Anyone
have any I can pass on to him? Thanks!
Keep 'Em Flying!
Mike Kelly
Fairchild Club
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service
http://www.keystoneinstruments.com/
Joe
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On Behalf Of Michael kelly
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 10:40
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fairchildclub] Instrument overhaul.
One of the members is looking for an instrument overhaul facility. Anyone
have any I can pass on to him? Thanks!
Keep 'Em Flying!
Mike Kelly
Fairchild Club
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Peter Ramm
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Re: Instrument overhaul.
'Another vote for Keystone. Preimum price but they do what they say they
will do.
Just a note - I have experienced practices in the instrument overhaul
market that I find shocking, and I am not easily shocked.
Peter
From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael kelly
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 10:40 AM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fairchildclub] Instrument overhaul.
One of the members is looking for an instrument overhaul facility.
Anyone have any I can pass on to him? Thanks!
Keep 'Em Flying!
Mike Kelly
Fairchild Club
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will do.
Just a note - I have experienced practices in the instrument overhaul
market that I find shocking, and I am not easily shocked.
Peter
From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael kelly
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 10:40 AM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fairchildclub] Instrument overhaul.
One of the members is looking for an instrument overhaul facility.
Anyone have any I can pass on to him? Thanks!
Keep 'Em Flying!
Mike Kelly
Fairchild Club
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Re: Instrument overhaul.
'I vote NO on Keystone. I sent 4 instruments to them for restoration. What I got back was two exchanges on the Kollsman Altimeters and two silk screen faces applied to the fronts of two Kollsman Tachs. The silk screenings looked like Photos shop rejects. I had given them the instruments with mfg's and S/n numbers, so that I could keep the history of the instruments with the airplane. I did bring this to their attention that the altimeters where not the same as the one given to them. Their response was Oh well. They got my money and I have 4 yellow tagged instruments that sit on the fl;oor of my office. Another life lesson learned.
Ted Camp
N81326
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
From: pramm@invictaair.com
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 11:32:09 -0400
Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Instrument overhaul.
Another vote for Keystone. Preimum price but they do what they say they
will do.
Just a note - I have experienced practices in the instrument overhaul
market that I find shocking, and I am not easily shocked.
Peter
From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael kelly
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 10:40 AM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fairchildclub] Instrument overhaul.
One of the members is looking for an instrument overhaul facility.
Anyone have any I can pass on to him? Thanks!
Keep 'Em Flying!
Mike Kelly
Fairchild Club
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Ted Camp
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To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
From: pramm@invictaair.com
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 11:32:09 -0400
Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Instrument overhaul.
Another vote for Keystone. Preimum price but they do what they say they
will do.
Just a note - I have experienced practices in the instrument overhaul
market that I find shocking, and I am not easily shocked.
Peter
From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael kelly
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 10:40 AM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fairchildclub] Instrument overhaul.
One of the members is looking for an instrument overhaul facility.
Anyone have any I can pass on to him? Thanks!
Keep 'Em Flying!
Mike Kelly
Fairchild Club
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Hugh Loewenhardt
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Re: Instrument overhaul.
'Ted Camp is correct. Keystone does not respect a restoreres attempt at maintaining originality. I sent them a very nice Pioneer airspeed for cetification which was rejected due to the radium dial face. The shop manager at Keystone said they will remove the radium and redo the the dial
face as original except for the radium and with all the orginal nomenclature. The end of the story is the same as Ted's. Keystone gets your money and you get less than satisfactory goods in return. Keystone leads you to believe they respect your wishes but simply do as they please with you equipment. They may be good at calibration but not high grade restoration details.
face as original except for the radium and with all the orginal nomenclature. The end of the story is the same as Ted's. Keystone gets your money and you get less than satisfactory goods in return. Keystone leads you to believe they respect your wishes but simply do as they please with you equipment. They may be good at calibration but not high grade restoration details.
'--- On Wed, 4/20/11, TED CAMP wrote:
From: TED CAMP
Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Instrument overhaul.
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 7:37 PM
I vote NO on Keystone. I sent 4 instruments to them for restoration. What I got back was two exchanges on the Kollsman Altimeters and two silk screen faces applied to the fronts of two Kollsman Tachs. The silk screenings looked like Photos shop rejects. I had given them the instruments with mfg's and S/n numbers, so that I could keep the history of the instruments with the airplane. I did bring this to their attention that the altimeters where not the same as the one given to them. Their response was Oh well. They got my money and I have 4 yellow tagged instruments that sit on the fl;oor of my office. Another life lesson learned.
Ted Camp
N81326
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
From: pramm@invictaair.com
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 11:32:09 -0400
Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Instrument overhaul.
Another vote for Keystone. Preimum price but they do what they say they
will do.
Just a note - I have experienced practices in the instrument overhaul
market that I find shocking, and I am not easily shocked.
Peter
From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael kelly
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 10:40 AM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fairchildclub] Instrument overhaul.
One of the members is looking for an instrument overhaul facility.
Anyone have any I can pass on to him? Thanks!
Keep 'Em Flying!
Mike Kelly
Fairchild Club
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Peter Ramm
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Re: Instrument overhaul.
'Good points about what to expect in a respectful restoration, but the OP
was looking for an overhaul facility. My impression is that Keystone is
an avionics shop for old instruments, not a restoration shop in the
sense that they remanufacture what you already have. They can return a
1930s instrument to operating condition, if cores are available, and if
there is no radium etc. In other words, they fix it so you can use it.
Restoring original bits is much more difficult - and expensive I assume.
I compare Keystone with a Midwest outfit I used a few years ago. What
was sold to me was a group of 1930s gauges in operating condition with
specified ranges added to the dials. This guy sent me a bunch of
yellow-tagged instruments, most of which were completely nonfunctional,
with my radials and color areas painted on in clumsy brush strokes. The
attitude gyros, for example, were period correct but painted black with
a brush, could not be caged, and would not spin up. A crook.
I would be very interested in knowing if there is a good "restorer" of
antique instruments around.
Peter
From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Hugh Loewenhardt
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 6:09 PM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Instrument overhaul.
Ted Camp is correct. Keystone does not respect a restoreres attempt at
maintaining originality. I sent them a very nice Pioneer airspeed for
cetification which was rejected due to the radium dial face. The shop
manager at Keystone said they will remove the radium and redo the the
dial
face as original except for the radium and with all the orginal
nomenclature. The end of the story is the same as Ted's. Keystone gets
your money and you get less than satisfactory goods in return. Keystone
leads you to believe they respect your wishes but simply do as they
please with you equipment. They may be good at calibration but not high
grade restoration details.
--- On Wed, 4/20/11, TED CAMP wrote:
From: TED CAMP
Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Instrument overhaul.
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 7:37 PM
I vote NO on Keystone. I sent 4 instruments to them for restoration.
What I got back was two exchanges on the Kollsman Altimeters and two
silk screen faces applied to the fronts of two Kollsman Tachs. The silk
screenings looked like Photos shop rejects. I had given them the
instruments with mfg's and S/n numbers, so that I could keep the history
of the instruments with the airplane. I did bring this to their
attention that the altimeters where not the same as the one given to
them. Their response was Oh well. They got my money and I have 4
yellow tagged instruments that sit on the fl;oor of my office. Another
life lesson learned.
Ted Camp
N81326
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
From: pramm@invictaair.com
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 11:32:09 -0400
Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Instrument overhaul.
Another vote for Keystone. Preimum price but they do what they say they
will do.
Just a note - I have experienced practices in the instrument overhaul
market that I find shocking, and I am not easily shocked.
Peter
From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
] On Behalf Of Michael kelly
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 10:40 AM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fairchildclub] Instrument overhaul.
One of the members is looking for an instrument overhaul facility.
Anyone have any I can pass on to him? Thanks!
Keep 'Em Flying!
Mike Kelly
Fairchild Club
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was looking for an overhaul facility. My impression is that Keystone is
an avionics shop for old instruments, not a restoration shop in the
sense that they remanufacture what you already have. They can return a
1930s instrument to operating condition, if cores are available, and if
there is no radium etc. In other words, they fix it so you can use it.
Restoring original bits is much more difficult - and expensive I assume.
I compare Keystone with a Midwest outfit I used a few years ago. What
was sold to me was a group of 1930s gauges in operating condition with
specified ranges added to the dials. This guy sent me a bunch of
yellow-tagged instruments, most of which were completely nonfunctional,
with my radials and color areas painted on in clumsy brush strokes. The
attitude gyros, for example, were period correct but painted black with
a brush, could not be caged, and would not spin up. A crook.
I would be very interested in knowing if there is a good "restorer" of
antique instruments around.
Peter
From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Hugh Loewenhardt
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 6:09 PM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Instrument overhaul.
Ted Camp is correct. Keystone does not respect a restoreres attempt at
maintaining originality. I sent them a very nice Pioneer airspeed for
cetification which was rejected due to the radium dial face. The shop
manager at Keystone said they will remove the radium and redo the the
dial
face as original except for the radium and with all the orginal
nomenclature. The end of the story is the same as Ted's. Keystone gets
your money and you get less than satisfactory goods in return. Keystone
leads you to believe they respect your wishes but simply do as they
please with you equipment. They may be good at calibration but not high
grade restoration details.
--- On Wed, 4/20/11, TED CAMP wrote:
From: TED CAMP
Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Instrument overhaul.
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 7:37 PM
I vote NO on Keystone. I sent 4 instruments to them for restoration.
What I got back was two exchanges on the Kollsman Altimeters and two
silk screen faces applied to the fronts of two Kollsman Tachs. The silk
screenings looked like Photos shop rejects. I had given them the
instruments with mfg's and S/n numbers, so that I could keep the history
of the instruments with the airplane. I did bring this to their
attention that the altimeters where not the same as the one given to
them. Their response was Oh well. They got my money and I have 4
yellow tagged instruments that sit on the fl;oor of my office. Another
life lesson learned.
Ted Camp
N81326
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
From: pramm@invictaair.com
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 11:32:09 -0400
Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Instrument overhaul.
Another vote for Keystone. Preimum price but they do what they say they
will do.
Just a note - I have experienced practices in the instrument overhaul
market that I find shocking, and I am not easily shocked.
Peter
From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
] On Behalf Of Michael kelly
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 10:40 AM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fairchildclub] Instrument overhaul.
One of the members is looking for an instrument overhaul facility.
Anyone have any I can pass on to him? Thanks!
Keep 'Em Flying!
Mike Kelly
Fairchild Club
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Re: Instrument overhaul.
'I've used Instrument Pro in Hawthorne California. I had them do all my very
old 4" diameter instruments for my Waco 10 (GXE) project. They will ask if
you want to have the numbers very white, as in a new instrument, or an off
white/yellow. I sent him an old slip-skid indicator, and he suggest I not
spend money on having him do it. Instead he told me how I could do it
myself, giving me suppliers for materials, etc. I have heard several people
complain about Keystone. Instrument-Pro gave me good service, fairly quick
turnaround, and reasonable pricing.
John
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old 4" diameter instruments for my Waco 10 (GXE) project. They will ask if
you want to have the numbers very white, as in a new instrument, or an off
white/yellow. I sent him an old slip-skid indicator, and he suggest I not
spend money on having him do it. Instead he told me how I could do it
myself, giving me suppliers for materials, etc. I have heard several people
complain about Keystone. Instrument-Pro gave me good service, fairly quick
turnaround, and reasonable pricing.
John
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Re: Instrument overhaul.
'I have had several old instruments restored by Instrument Pro, Inc., 3423 Investment Blvd., Suite 6, Hayward, CA 94545. (510-723-0541)
They have removed radium paint, restored original faces, and returned the same instruments.
Charles
They have removed radium paint, restored original faces, and returned the same instruments.
Charles
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>
> One of the members is looking for an instrument overhaul facility. Anyone have any I can pass on to him? Thanks!
>
> Keep 'Em Flying!
>
> Mike Kelly
> Fairchild Club
>