Re: Mineral oil for normal operations in a Ranger?

dc871f · Post by **dc871f** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:48 pm

'New to operating a Ranger, been told that 60wt mineral oil is the normal for operations, is this the case? Thanks.'

Mike Danielle · Post by **Mike Danielle** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:33 pm

'Yes, that works well down to about 40 degrees. Then you need to switch to
50wt. I like Aeroshell plus. Protects the innards from rust and my oil
consumption actually goes DOWN. It's all going to look black almost
immediately after the first run. Don't worry, that means the oil is doing
its thing.

Ranger Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "dc871f"
To:
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 4:48 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Mineral oil for normal operations in a Ranger?

> New to operating a Ranger, been told that 60wt mineral oil is the normal
> for operations, is this the case? Thanks.
>
>
>
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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looping.jp@voila.fr · Post by **looping.jp@voila.fr** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:11 am

'Hi Mike,
What is your normal operation average oil consumption with the 60wt and 50 wt ?
Many thanks...J-Pierre

--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Danielle" wrote:
>
> Yes, that works well down to about 40 degrees. Then you need to switch to
> 50wt. I like Aeroshell plus. Protects the innards from rust and my oil
> consumption actually goes DOWN. It's all going to look black almost
> immediately after the first run. Don't worry, that means the oil is doing
> its thing.
>
> Ranger Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dc871f"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 4:48 PM
> Subject: [fairchildclub] Mineral oil for normal operations in a Ranger?
>
>
> > New to operating a Ranger, been told that 60wt mineral oil is the normal
> > for operations, is this the case? Thanks.
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

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Mike Danielle · Post by **Mike Danielle** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:14 am

'Pretty much a stock engine w/ 20-over pistons. None of Al Ball's neat
tricks so the engine consumes 1 1/4 qt in the summer with 60wt and about 3/4
qt in the relatively mild NW winters with 50wt. This engine is installed in
a Great Lakes so we're talking acrobatic flight for about 20 per-cent of the
time. I'm happy with the engine but I had to learn to keep it cool and stay
away from the mixture on the cross-country flights. Went through a few
valves and had some stuck rings over the years.

I know the evidence is all anecdotal, but since I've started regularly using
MMO, I've never had another stuck valve or rings. I guess the Army knew
something we've forgotten back when they specified Marvel on the PT-19's.

Ranger Mike

----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 5:11 AM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Mineral oil for normal operations in a Ranger?

> Hi Mike,
> What is your normal operation average oil consumption with the 60wt and 50
> wt ?
> Many thanks...J-Pierre
>
> --- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Danielle" wrote:
>>
>> Yes, that works well down to about 40 degrees. Then you need to switch
>> to
>> 50wt. I like Aeroshell plus. Protects the innards from rust and my oil
>> consumption actually goes DOWN. It's all going to look black almost
>> immediately after the first run. Don't worry, that means the oil is
>> doing
>> its thing.
>>
>> Ranger Mike
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "dc871f"
>> To:
>> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 4:48 PM
>> Subject: [fairchildclub] Mineral oil for normal operations in a Ranger?
>>
>>
>> > New to operating a Ranger, been told that 60wt mineral oil is the
>> > normal
>> > for operations, is this the case? Thanks.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

'

Steve Link · Post by **Steve Link** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:15 pm

'Mike, what are Al Balls tricks on the Ranger? Had not heard of his influence
on them.. Does he overhaul them? Parts?

From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Mike Danielle
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 11:14 AM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: Mineral oil for normal operations in a
Ranger?

Pretty much a stock engine w/ 20-over pistons. None of Al Ball's neat
tricks so the engine consumes 1 1/4 qt in the summer with 60wt and about 3/4

qt in the relatively mild NW winters with 50wt. This engine is installed in
a Great Lakes so we're talking acrobatic flight for about 20 per-cent of the

time. I'm happy with the engine but I had to learn to keep it cool and stay
away from the mixture on the cross-country flights. Went through a few
valves and had some stuck rings over the years.

I know the evidence is all anecdotal, but since I've started regularly using

MMO, I've never had another stuck valve or rings. I guess the Army knew
something we've forgotten back when they specified Marvel on the PT-19's.

Ranger Mike

----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 5:11 AM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Mineral oil for normal operations in a Ranger?

> Hi Mike,
> What is your normal operation average oil consumption with the 60wt and 50

> wt ?
> Many thanks...J-Pierre
>
> --- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
, "Mike Danielle"
wrote:
>>
>> Yes, that works well down to about 40 degrees. Then you need to switch
>> to
>> 50wt. I like Aeroshell plus. Protects the innards from rust and my oil
>> consumption actually goes DOWN. It's all going to look black almost
>> immediately after the first run. Don't worry, that means the oil is
>> doing
>> its thing.
>>
>> Ranger Mike
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "dc871f"
>> To:
>> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 4:48 PM
>> Subject: [fairchildclub] Mineral oil for normal operations in a Ranger?
>>
>>
>> > New to operating a Ranger, been told that 60wt mineral oil is the
>> > normal
>> > for operations, is this the case? Thanks.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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Fritz · Post by **Fritz** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:53 pm

'Also, what is it about cross country and mixture. Do you not lean, or do you
lean a lot??

-----Original Message-----
From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Steve Link
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 10:15 AM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Re: Mineral oil for normal operations in a
Ranger?

Mike, what are Al Balls tricks on the Ranger? Had not heard of his influence
on them.. Does he overhaul them? Parts?

From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Mike Danielle
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 11:14 AM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: Mineral oil for normal operations in a
Ranger?

Pretty much a stock engine w/ 20-over pistons. None of Al Ball's neat
tricks so the engine consumes 1 1/4 qt in the summer with 60wt and about 3/4

qt in the relatively mild NW winters with 50wt. This engine is installed in
a Great Lakes so we're talking acrobatic flight for about 20 per-cent of the

time. I'm happy with the engine but I had to learn to keep it cool and stay
away from the mixture on the cross-country flights. Went through a few
valves and had some stuck rings over the years.

I know the evidence is all anecdotal, but since I've started regularly using

MMO, I've never had another stuck valve or rings. I guess the Army knew
something we've forgotten back when they specified Marvel on the PT-19's.

Ranger Mike

----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 5:11 AM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Mineral oil for normal operations in a Ranger?

> Hi Mike,
> What is your normal operation average oil consumption with the 60wt and 50

> wt ?
> Many thanks...J-Pierre
>
> --- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
, "Mike Danielle"
wrote:
>>
>> Yes, that works well down to about 40 degrees. Then you need to switch
>> to
>> 50wt. I like Aeroshell plus. Protects the innards from rust and my oil
>> consumption actually goes DOWN. It's all going to look black almost
>> immediately after the first run. Don't worry, that means the oil is
>> doing
>> its thing.
>>
>> Ranger Mike
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "dc871f"
>> To:
>> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 4:48 PM
>> Subject: [fairchildclub] Mineral oil for normal operations in a Ranger?
>>
>>
>> > New to operating a Ranger, been told that 60wt mineral oil is the
>> > normal
>> > for operations, is this the case? Thanks.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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Mike Danielle · Post by **Mike Danielle** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:16 pm

'If I knew all of Al's tricks, I'd be doing the overhauls. He does ring
mods - mostly a different oils scraper ring. Seals the sludge plug in the
crank. Modified pistons and modified tolerances. Can't believe you've
never heard of Antique Aero Engines. Do a search on the Fairchild Club site
with Al's name. There must be hundreds of refs.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Link"
To:
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 10:15 AM
Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Re: Mineral oil for normal operations in a
Ranger?

> Mike, what are Al Balls tricks on the Ranger? Had not heard of his
> influence
> on them.. Does he overhaul them? Parts?
>
>
>
> From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Mike Danielle
> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 11:14 AM
> To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: Mineral oil for normal operations in a
> Ranger?
>
>
>
>
>
> Pretty much a stock engine w/ 20-over pistons. None of Al Ball's neat
> tricks so the engine consumes 1 1/4 qt in the summer with 60wt and about
> 3/4
>
> qt in the relatively mild NW winters with 50wt. This engine is installed
> in
> a Great Lakes so we're talking acrobatic flight for about 20 per-cent of
> the
>
> time. I'm happy with the engine but I had to learn to keep it cool and
> stay
> away from the mixture on the cross-country flights. Went through a few
> valves and had some stuck rings over the years.
>
> I know the evidence is all anecdotal, but since I've started regularly
> using
>
> MMO, I've never had another stuck valve or rings. I guess the Army knew
> something we've forgotten back when they specified Marvel on the PT-19's.
>
> Ranger Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
>>
> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 5:11 AM
> Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Mineral oil for normal operations in a
> Ranger?
>
>> Hi Mike,
>> What is your normal operation average oil consumption with the 60wt and
>> 50
>
>> wt ?
>> Many thanks...J-Pierre
>>
>> --- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> , "Mike Danielle"
> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, that works well down to about 40 degrees. Then you need to switch
>>> to
>>> 50wt. I like Aeroshell plus. Protects the innards from rust and my oil
>>> consumption actually goes DOWN. It's all going to look black almost
>>> immediately after the first run. Don't worry, that means the oil is
>>> doing
>>> its thing.
>>>
>>> Ranger Mike
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "dc871f"
>>> To: >
>>> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 4:48 PM
>>> Subject: [fairchildclub] Mineral oil for normal operations in a Ranger?
>>>
>>>
>>> > New to operating a Ranger, been told that 60wt mineral oil is the
>>> > normal
>>> > for operations, is this the case? Thanks.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ------------------------------------
>>> >
>>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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Mike Danielle · Post by **Mike Danielle** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:18 pm

'I used to lean when I got above 5K but I had to replace two jugs in two
years. I fly full rich now, keep the temps low and the 220
Continental-powered Starduster I used to try to keep up with crashed. So
I'm not trying to set any speed records. But that's just in my airplane.
YMMV.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Fritz"
To:
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 10:52 AM
Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Re: Mineral oil for normal operations in a
Ranger?

> Also, what is it about cross country and mixture. Do you not lean, or do
> you
> lean a lot??
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Steve Link
> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 10:15 AM
> To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Re: Mineral oil for normal operations in a
> Ranger?
>
> Mike, what are Al Balls tricks on the Ranger? Had not heard of his
> influence
> on them.. Does he overhaul them? Parts?
>
>
>
> From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Mike Danielle
> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 11:14 AM
> To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: Mineral oil for normal operations in a
> Ranger?
>
>
>
>
>
> Pretty much a stock engine w/ 20-over pistons. None of Al Ball's neat
> tricks so the engine consumes 1 1/4 qt in the summer with 60wt and about
> 3/4
>
> qt in the relatively mild NW winters with 50wt. This engine is installed
> in
> a Great Lakes so we're talking acrobatic flight for about 20 per-cent of
> the
>
> time. I'm happy with the engine but I had to learn to keep it cool and
> stay
> away from the mixture on the cross-country flights. Went through a few
> valves and had some stuck rings over the years.
>
> I know the evidence is all anecdotal, but since I've started regularly
> using
>
> MMO, I've never had another stuck valve or rings. I guess the Army knew
> something we've forgotten back when they specified Marvel on the PT-19's.
>
> Ranger Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
>>
> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 5:11 AM
> Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Mineral oil for normal operations in a
> Ranger?
>
>> Hi Mike,
>> What is your normal operation average oil consumption with the 60wt and
>> 50
>
>> wt ?
>> Many thanks...J-Pierre
>>
>> --- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> , "Mike Danielle"
> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, that works well down to about 40 degrees. Then you need to switch
>>> to
>>> 50wt. I like Aeroshell plus. Protects the innards from rust and my oil
>>> consumption actually goes DOWN. It's all going to look black almost
>>> immediately after the first run. Don't worry, that means the oil is
>>> doing
>>> its thing.
>>>
>>> Ranger Mike
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "dc871f"
>>> To: >
>>> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 4:48 PM
>>> Subject: [fairchildclub] Mineral oil for normal operations in a Ranger?
>>>
>>>
>>> > New to operating a Ranger, been told that 60wt mineral oil is the
>>> > normal
>>> > for operations, is this the case? Thanks.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ------------------------------------
>>> >
>>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

'

dc871f · Post by **dc871f** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:28 pm

'So do all you guys run straight mineral oil for normal ops, or AD oil?'

Fritz · Post by **Fritz** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:36 pm

'I only used mineral oil on a new or rebuilt engine, then switch to AeroShell
120. I live in San Diego where the weather is warm. The mineral oil helps
the rings to seat, then after about 20 hours, I switch to regular oil and
see a decrease in oil consumption. I never use mineral oil on a engine with
more than 50 hours.

-----Original Message-----
From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of dc871f
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 9:29 PM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Mineral oil for normal operations in a Ranger?

So do all you guys run straight mineral oil for normal ops, or AD oil?

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