Re: F-24 Master Brake Info

[Seifert]

'Thanks Bob, Tom, and Jamie for the brake info.
Since my cylinders are corroded and will need to be corrected inorder to be rebuilt; I will let you all know what I wind up doing to fix the problem. I've been studying the way the Fairchild master brake cylinders were built and have decided that fabricating new stainless steel cylinders for the master brake would not be impossible, if I can't find someone that can sleeve them with stainless sleeves.
Thanks again.
Rich Seifert

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[mileslong2k]

'Hello,
Any chance the members of this forum would be able to see pictures of this progress? I am collecting photographs of Fairchild 24's and their related parts when they come up in the photo section of this forum. Thanks.

Jim Long
Santa Rosa, CA

--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Seifert" wrote:
>
> Thanks Bob, Tom, and Jamie for the brake info.
> Since my cylinders are corroded and will need to be corrected inorder to be rebuilt; I will let you all know what I wind up doing to fix the problem. I've been studying the way the Fairchild master brake cylinders were built and have decided that fabricating new stainless steel cylinders for the master brake would not be impossible, if I can't find someone that can sleeve them with stainless sleeves.
> Thanks again.
> Rich Seifert
>
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[Jack Threadgill]

'I would hope so. I would like to see them.



Jack

N1941N



Jack Threadgill

1602 Brook Hollow Dr

Bryan, TX 77802

979-779-7155

threadgl@suddenlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of mileslong2k
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 11:56 AM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: F-24 Master Brake Info







Hello,
Any chance the members of this forum would be able to see pictures of this
progress? I am collecting photographs of Fairchild 24's and their related
parts when they come up in the photo section of this forum. Thanks.

Jim Long
Santa Rosa, CA

--- In fairchildclub@
yahoogroups.com, "Richard Seifert" wrote:

>
> Thanks Bob, Tom, and Jamie for the brake info.
> Since my cylinders are corroded and will need to be corrected inorder to

be rebuilt; I will let you all know what I wind up doing to fix the problem.
I've been studying the way the Fairchild master brake cylinders were built
and have decided that fabricating new stainless steel cylinders for the
master brake would not be impossible, if I can't find someone that can
sleeve them with stainless sleeves.

> Thanks again.
> Rich Seifert
>
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>

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[Cy Galley]

'Look thru the AACA Antique Auto Ads or Hemmings. There are people that resleeve brake parts on a regular basis.

Cy Galley - Chair, AirVenture Emergency Aircraft Repair
A service project of EAA Chapter 75 since 1963
www.eaa75.com

----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Seifert
To: Fairchild Club
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:48 AM
Subject: [fairchildclub] F-24 Master Brake Info


Thanks Bob, Tom, and Jamie for the brake info.
Since my cylinders are corroded and will need to be corrected inorder to be rebuilt; I will let you all know what I wind up doing to fix the problem. I've been studying the way the Fairchild master brake cylinders were built and have decided that fabricating new stainless steel cylinders for the master brake would not be impossible, if I can't find someone that can sleeve them with stainless sleeves.
Thanks again.
Rich Seifert

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[Jack Threadgill]

'Cy, you have got to be a friend of Neil Pobanz.



Jack

PT-19

N1941N



Jack Threadgill

1602 Brook Hollow Dr

Bryan, TX 77802

979-779-7155

threadgl@suddenlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Cy Galley
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 3:15 PM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] F-24 Master Brake Info





Look thru the AACA Antique Auto Ads or Hemmings. There are people that
resleeve brake parts on a regular basis.

Cy Galley - Chair, AirVenture Emergency Aircraft Repair
A service project of EAA Chapter 75 since 1963
www.eaa75.com

----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Seifert
To: Fairchild Club
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:48 AM
Subject: [fairchildclub] F-24 Master Brake Info

Thanks Bob, Tom, and Jamie for the brake info.
Since my cylinders are corroded and will need to be corrected inorder to be
rebuilt; I will let you all know what I wind up doing to fix the problem.
I've been studying the way the Fairchild master brake cylinders were built
and have decided that fabricating new stainless steel cylinders for the
master brake would not be impossible, if I can't find someone that can
sleeve them with stainless sleeves.
Thanks again.
Rich Seifert

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[Cy Galley]

'Yes he worked for me at Oshkosh and Annuals my plane.

Cy

----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Threadgill
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 5:47 PM
Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] F-24 Master Brake Info


Cy, you have got to be a friend of Neil Pobanz.

Jack

PT-19

N1941N

Jack Threadgill

1602 Brook Hollow Dr

Bryan, TX 77802

979-779-7155

threadgl@suddenlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Cy Galley
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 3:15 PM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] F-24 Master Brake Info

Look thru the AACA Antique Auto Ads or Hemmings. There are people that
resleeve brake parts on a regular basis.

Cy Galley - Chair, AirVenture Emergency Aircraft Repair
A service project of EAA Chapter 75 since 1963
www.eaa75.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Seifert
To: Fairchild Club
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:48 AM
Subject: [fairchildclub] F-24 Master Brake Info

Thanks Bob, Tom, and Jamie for the brake info.
Since my cylinders are corroded and will need to be corrected inorder to be
rebuilt; I will let you all know what I wind up doing to fix the problem.
I've been studying the way the Fairchild master brake cylinders were built
and have decided that fabricating new stainless steel cylinders for the
master brake would not be impossible, if I can't find someone that can
sleeve them with stainless sleeves.
Thanks again.
Rich Seifert

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[Jack Threadgill]

'Cy, I suspected that with your Air Venture relation. Neil is a great guy
and a tremendous asset to the American Bonanza Society as their Chief
Technical Advisor.



What kind of plane do you have that Neil annuals for you.



Jack



Jack Threadgill

1602 Brook Hollow Dr

Bryan, TX 77802

979-779-7155

threadgl@suddenlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Cy Galley
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 5:36 PM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] F-24 Master Brake Info





Yes he worked for me at Oshkosh and Annuals my plane.

Cy

----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Threadgill
To: fairchildclub@ yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 5:47 PM
Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] F-24 Master Brake Info

Cy, you have got to be a friend of Neil Pobanz.

Jack

PT-19

N1941N

Jack Threadgill

1602 Brook Hollow Dr

Bryan, TX 77802

979-779-7155

threadgl@suddenlink .net

-----Original Message-----
From: fairchildclub@
yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@
yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Cy Galley
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 3:15 PM
To: fairchildclub@ yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] F-24 Master Brake Info

Look thru the AACA Antique Auto Ads or Hemmings. There are people that
resleeve brake parts on a regular basis.

Cy Galley - Chair, AirVenture Emergency Aircraft Repair
A service project of EAA Chapter 75 since 1963
www.eaa75.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Seifert
To: Fairchild Club
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:48 AM
Subject: [fairchildclub] F-24 Master Brake Info

Thanks Bob, Tom, and Jamie for the brake info.
Since my cylinders are corroded and will need to be corrected inorder to be
rebuilt; I will let you all know what I wind up doing to fix the problem.
I've been studying the way the Fairchild master brake cylinders were built
and have decided that fabricating new stainless steel cylinders for the
master brake would not be impossible, if I can't find someone that can
sleeve them with stainless sleeves.
Thanks again.
Rich Seifert

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[Cy Galley]

'I am presently rebuilding a 14-13-2 Bellanca

----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Threadgill
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 8:48 PM
Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] F-24 Master Brake Info/Chat


Cy, I suspected that with your Air Venture relation. Neil is a great guy
and a tremendous asset to the American Bonanza Society as their Chief
Technical Advisor.

What kind of plane do you have that Neil annuals for you.

Jack

Jack Threadgill

1602 Brook Hollow Dr

Bryan, TX 77802

979-779-7155

threadgl@suddenlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Cy Galley
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 5:36 PM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] F-24 Master Brake Info

Yes he worked for me at Oshkosh and Annuals my plane.

Cy
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Threadgill
To: fairchildclub@ yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 5:47 PM
Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] F-24 Master Brake Info

Cy, you have got to be a friend of Neil Pobanz.

Jack

PT-19

N1941N

Jack Threadgill

1602 Brook Hollow Dr

Bryan, TX 77802

979-779-7155

threadgl@suddenlink .net

-----Original Message-----
From: fairchildclub@
yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@
yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Cy Galley
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 3:15 PM
To: fairchildclub@ yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] F-24 Master Brake Info

Look thru the AACA Antique Auto Ads or Hemmings. There are people that
resleeve brake parts on a regular basis.

Cy Galley - Chair, AirVenture Emergency Aircraft Repair
A service project of EAA Chapter 75 since 1963
www.eaa75.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Seifert
To: Fairchild Club
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:48 AM
Subject: [fairchildclub] F-24 Master Brake Info

Thanks Bob, Tom, and Jamie for the brake info.
Since my cylinders are corroded and will need to be corrected inorder to be
rebuilt; I will let you all know what I wind up doing to fix the problem.
I've been studying the way the Fairchild master brake cylinders were built
and have decided that fabricating new stainless steel cylinders for the
master brake would not be impossible, if I can't find someone that can
sleeve them with stainless sleeves.
Thanks again.
Rich Seifert

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[ellengstarr]

'Rich,
Wondering what you were able to come up with regarding sleeving your cylinders? I have a 24W with 1 1/4" bore. Believe they are original type.
One place looked at them and said the casting would be too thin after machining for the sleeve. So I am back to square one!
Thanks.
Roger Starr

--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Seifert" wrote:
>
> Thanks Bob, Tom, and Jamie for the brake info.
> Since my cylinders are corroded and will need to be corrected inorder to be rebuilt; I will let you all know what I wind up doing to fix the problem. I've been studying the way the Fairchild master brake cylinders were built and have decided that fabricating new stainless steel cylinders for the master brake would not be impossible, if I can't find someone that can sleeve them with stainless sleeves.
> Thanks again.
> Rich Seifert
>
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>

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[Seifert]

'Hi Roger
I did have Sierra Specialty Automotive (530-283-1886) sleeve my master cylinders. Mine are for a 1946 F-24W, which is still a long way from flying but I have no doubt they will work just fine. My cylinders are not castings. They were called tin can master cylinders and were an assembly of machined steel cylinder, sheet metal can type reservoir, and sheet metal attach fittings all brazed together. The original ID plate attached to the cylinders identified them as Wagner Electric Corporation # FE2014. Sierra Specialty Automotive machined out the old cylinders and installed the brass sleeves and I installed the brake kits. I think Joe at Sierra Specialty Automotive said the cylinders are 1937 - 41 Chrysler master brake cylinders. I am happy with their work but I did have to heat and streach out the snap ring to securily retain all the innerds. You do have to pick and choose between the original brake parts and the replacement parts. I used a NAPA #1 brake kit for the rubber parts but retained the original brass pistons, and thin brass washers which act as check valves. The remainder of the kit was discarded. The machining cost was $110.00 each. I thought I took pictures of the cylinders before installing the brake kits but have been unable to find them so far. I will be happy help If you have any other questions.

----- Original Message -----
From: ellengstarr
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 8:10 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: F-24 Master Brake Info



Rich,
Wondering what you were able to come up with regarding sleeving your cylinders? I have a 24W with 1 1/4" bore. Believe they are original type.
One place looked at them and said the casting would be too thin after machining for the sleeve. So I am back to square one!
Thanks.
Roger Starr

--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Seifert" wrote:
>
> Thanks Bob, Tom, and Jamie for the brake info.
> Since my cylinders are corroded and will need to be corrected inorder to be rebuilt; I will let you all know what I wind up doing to fix the problem. I've been studying the way the Fairchild master brake cylinders were built and have decided that fabricating new stainless steel cylinders for the master brake would not be impossible, if I can't find someone that can sleeve them with stainless sleeves.
> Thanks again.
> Rich Seifert
>
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