Re: Timing the engine with new mags

norbert J. Mc Luckie · Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:25 pm

'I, recently, had my mags rebuilt and it is time to install them on my Ranger 440-C
My A&P thinks that we have to remove the prop in order to do the timing to the engine.
I don't want to do that unless it is absolutely necessary. What is the opinion of you experts, in the field? This is on a 1938 short-nosed F-24.

Norbert "Lucky" Mc Luckie 815 472 2523 Momence, Illinois. cell 305 942 7066
norbymac20@sbcglobal.net

Lucky

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Michael Denest · Post by **Michael Denest** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:31 pm

'Have your mechanic read the overhaul manual on mag timing. Do not remove the prop.

Mike

Quando omni flunkus moritati
(If all else fails, play dead)
- "Red" Green

----- Original Message ----
From: Norbert J. Mc Luckie
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 3:24:56 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Timing the engine with new mags

I, recently, had my mags rebuilt and it is time to install them on my Ranger 440-C
My A&P thinks that we have to remove the prop in order to do the timing to the engine.
I don't want to do that unless it is absolutely necessary. What is the opinion of you experts, in the field? This is on a 1938 short-nosed F-24.

Norbert "Lucky" Mc Luckie 815 472 2523 Momence, Illinois. cell 305 942 7066
norbymac20@sbcgloba l.net

Lucky

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norbert J. Mc Luckie · Wed Aug 13, 2008 2:28 pm

'Mike We did read the manual and it talks about a timing wheel. My AP doesn't have one and we intend to borrow one. How do we mount it?

Lucky

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Denest
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Timing the engine with new mags

Have your mechanic read the overhaul manual on mag timing. Do not remove the prop.

Mike

Quando omni flunkus moritati
(If all else fails, play dead)
- "Red" Green

----- Original Message ----
From: Norbert J. Mc Luckie
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 3:24:56 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Timing the engine with new mags

I, recently, had my mags rebuilt and it is time to install them on my Ranger 440-C
My A&P thinks that we have to remove the prop in order to do the timing to the engine.
I don't want to do that unless it is absolutely necessary. What is the opinion of you experts, in the field? This is on a 1938 short-nosed F-24.

Norbert "Lucky" Mc Luckie 815 472 2523 Momence, Illinois. cell 305 942 7066
norbymac20@sbcgloba l.net

Lucky

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Bob Haas · Post by **Bob Haas** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 3:49 pm

'Better get another A&P. Read the Ranger Manual, first.

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From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Norbert J. Mc Luckie
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 3:25 PM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fairchildclub] Timing the engine with new mags

I, recently, had my mags rebuilt and it is time to install them on my Ranger
440-C
My A&P thinks that we have to remove the prop in order to do the timing to
the engine.
I don't want to do that unless it is absolutely necessary. What is the
opinion of you experts, in the field? This is on a 1938 short-nosed F-24.

Norbert "Lucky" Mc Luckie 815 472 2523 Momence, Illinois. cell 305 942 7066
norbymac20@sbcgloba l.net

Lucky

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Bob Haas · Post by **Bob Haas** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 3:55 pm

'NO No No No. Read the proper Manual!

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From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Norbert J. Mc Luckie
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 4:28 PM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Timing the engine with new mags

Mike We did read the manual and it talks about a timing wheel. My AP doesn't
have one and we intend to borrow one. How do we mount it?

Lucky

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Denest
To: fairchildclub@ yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Timing the engine with new mags

Have your mechanic read the overhaul manual on mag timing. Do not remove the
prop.

Mike

Quando omni flunkus moritati
(If all else fails, play dead)
- "Red" Green

----- Original Message ----
From: Norbert J. Mc Luckie
To: fairchildclub@ yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 3:24:56 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Timing the engine with new mags

I, recently, had my mags rebuilt and it is time to install them on my Ranger
440-C
My A&P thinks that we have to remove the prop in order to do the timing to
the engine.
I don't want to do that unless it is absolutely necessary. What is the
opinion of you experts, in the field? This is on a 1938 short-nosed F-24.

Norbert "Lucky" Mc Luckie 815 472 2523 Momence, Illinois. cell 305 942 7066
norbymac20@sbcgloba l.net

Lucky

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Mike Danielle · Post by **Mike Danielle** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 4:38 pm

'Norbert,

If you can find TDC on the back jug, you can time the mags using a degree
wheel on the spinner. Or, just use a TimeRight if you can get your hands on
one. I recommend the TimeRight but you have to use it on the front cylinder
because the tool interferes with the No. 2 cylinder fins. When the No 1 in
TDC is on the compression stroke, the No 6 is TDC on the exhaust stroke.
You have to keep this in mind and go another 360 degrees to do the timing
properly. If your mech can't figure this out, he ain't much of a mech.

I don't know of anyone who has one of the original factory degree tools that
used the arrow that's cast on the front of the case. But you can get dead
nuts on with any tool that finds TDC and the TimeRight is the best.

You don't have to remove the prop.

Ranger Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Norbert J. Mc Luckie"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 12:24 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Timing the engine with new mags

> I, recently, had my mags rebuilt and it is time to install them on
> my Ranger 440-C
> My A&P thinks that we have to remove the prop in order to do the timing
> to the engine.
> I don't want to do that unless it is absolutely necessary. What is the
> opinion of you experts, in the field? This is on a 1938 short-nosed F-24.
>
> Norbert "Lucky" Mc Luckie 815 472 2523 Momence, Illinois. cell
> 305 942 7066
> norbymac20@sbcglobal.net
>
> Lucky
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

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Michael Denest · Post by **Michael Denest** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 7:33 pm

'Aircraft Tool Supply has timing wheels and the Time Rite. It mounts on the prop, align the wheel with TDC of #1 cylinder compression stroke.
http://www.aircraft-tool.com/shop/search_result.aspx?PageNo=1&PageSize=-1
http://www.aircraft-tool.com/shop/detail.aspx?PRODUCT_ID=E25&ReturnPage=/shop/search_result.aspx?PageNo=1

Mike

Quando omni flunkus moritati
(If all else fails, play dead)
- "Red" Green

----- Original Message ----
From: Norbert J. Mc Luckie
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 4:28:14 PM
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Timing the engine with new mags

Mike We did read the manual and it talks about a timing wheel. My AP doesn't have one and we intend to borrow one. How do we mount it?

Lucky

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Denest
To: fairchildclub@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Timing the engine with new mags

Have your mechanic read the overhaul manual on mag timing. Do not remove the prop.

Mike

Quando omni flunkus moritati
(If all else fails, play dead)
- "Red" Green

----- Original Message ----
From: Norbert J. Mc Luckie
To: fairchildclub@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 3:24:56 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Timing the engine with new mags

I, recently, had my mags rebuilt and it is time to install them on my Ranger 440-C
My A&P thinks that we have to remove the prop in order to do the timing to the engine.
I don't want to do that unless it is absolutely necessary. What is the opinion of you experts, in the field? This is on a 1938 short-nosed F-24.

Norbert "Lucky" Mc Luckie 815 472 2523 Momence, Illinois. cell 305 942 7066
norbymac20@sbcgloba l.net

Lucky

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Jack Threadgill · Post by **Jack Threadgill** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 7:47 pm

'I have used one of the new electronic levels. Set TDC for #1. Attach the
level to the prop hub. I used duct tape. Press the "Zero" button on the
level and then rotate to the desired number of degrees BTDC. Mine called
for 22 degrees.

Jack

Jack Threadgill

1602 Brook Hollow Dr

Bryan, TX 77802

979-779-7155

threadgl@suddenlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Michael Denest
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 7:33 PM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Timing the engine with new mags

Aircraft Tool Supply has timing wheels and the Time Rite. It mounts on the
prop, align the wheel with TDC of #1 cylinder compression stroke.
http://www.aircraft

-tool.com/shop/search_result.aspx?PageNo=1&PageSize=-1
http://www.aircraft

-tool.com/shop/detail.aspx?PRODUCT_ID=E25&ReturnPage=/shop/search_result.asp
x?PageNo=1

Mike

Quando omni flunkus moritati
(If all else fails, play dead)
- "Red" Green

----- Original Message ----
From: Norbert J. Mc Luckie
To: fairchildclub@ yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 4:28:14 PM
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Timing the engine with new mags

Mike We did read the manual and it talks about a timing wheel. My AP doesn't
have one and we intend to borrow one. How do we mount it?

Lucky

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Denest
To: fairchildclub@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Timing the engine with new mags

Have your mechanic read the overhaul manual on mag timing. Do not remove the
prop.

Mike

Quando omni flunkus moritati
(If all else fails, play dead)
- "Red" Green

----- Original Message ----
From: Norbert J. Mc Luckie
To: fairchildclub@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 3:24:56 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Timing the engine with new mags

I, recently, had my mags rebuilt and it is time to install them on my Ranger
440-C
My A&P thinks that we have to remove the prop in order to do the timing to
the engine.
I don't want to do that unless it is absolutely necessary. What is the
opinion of you experts, in the field? This is on a 1938 short-nosed F-24.

Norbert "Lucky" Mc Luckie 815 472 2523 Momence, Illinois. cell 305 942 7066
norbymac20@sbcgloba l.net

Lucky

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ranger440c5 · Post by **ranger440c5** » Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:32 am

'Can someone who has responded to this subject explain to me their
reluctance to removing a prop? Is it because they have an Aeromatic?
I too dreaded removing my prop (Ranger W/ Warner hub+ Sensennich
86AB54)...until I noticed some "smoking" at hub/prop junction. Upon
removal, it was discovered (not related to original reason for
removal) that the rear cone was in the advanced stages of galling.
Nearly threatening the hub's integrity. Hub was not loose nor was
nut. I found it no issue to remove prop/hub assemby and made it a
personal inspection point at every other annual. I wouldn't think it
is a "set it and forget it" Ronco cooker. Probably because the
short splined Warner and Rangers use no front cone and if the forward
bronze bushing is worn the hub can walk around (galling the rear
cone) without experiencing a loss of nut torque. Having witnessed
this, if I was McLucky's mechanic and I never saw that prop off, I
would be inclined to remove it as well.
As for finding the "crank time", it has never failed to be spot on
and repeatable to use a dead stop through a plug hole to find BDC and
set the degree wheel accordingly.

--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Danielle"
wrote:

>
> Norbert,
>
> If you can find TDC on the back jug, you can time the mags using a

degree

> wheel on the spinner. Or, just use a TimeRight if you can get your

hands on

> one. I recommend the TimeRight but you have to use it on the front

cylinder

> because the tool interferes with the No. 2 cylinder fins. When the

No 1 in

> TDC is on the compression stroke, the No 6 is TDC on the exhaust

stroke.

> You have to keep this in mind and go another 360 degrees to do the

timing

> properly. If your mech can't figure this out, he ain't much of a

mech.

>
> I don't know of anyone who has one of the original factory degree

tools that

> used the arrow that's cast on the front of the case. But you can

get dead

> nuts on with any tool that finds TDC and the TimeRight is the best.
>
> You don't have to remove the prop.
>
> Ranger Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Norbert J. Mc Luckie"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 12:24 PM
> Subject: [fairchildclub] Timing the engine with new mags
>
>
> > I, recently, had my mags rebuilt and it is time to install

them on

> > my Ranger 440-C
> > My A&P thinks that we have to remove the prop in order to do the

timing

> > to the engine.
> > I don't want to do that unless it is absolutely necessary. What

is the

> > opinion of you experts, in the field? This is on a 1938 short-

nosed F-24.

> >
> > Norbert "Lucky" Mc Luckie 815 472 2523 Momence,

Illinois. cell

> > 305 942 7066
> > norbymac20@...
> >
> > Lucky
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

'

Jack Threadgill · Post by **Jack Threadgill** » Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:16 pm

'I am new to Ranger ownership. Would you please describe the prop removal
procedure that you used.

Thanks,

Jack

Jack Threadgill

1602 Brook Hollow Dr

Bryan, TX 77802

979-779-7155

threadgl@suddenlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of ranger440c5
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 11:33 AM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Timing the engine with new mags

Can someone who has responded to this subject explain to me their
reluctance to removing a prop? Is it because they have an Aeromatic?
I too dreaded removing my prop (Ranger W/ Warner hub+ Sensennich
86AB54)...until I noticed some "smoking" at hub/prop junction. Upon
removal, it was discovered (not related to original reason for
removal) that the rear cone was in the advanced stages of galling.
Nearly threatening the hub's integrity. Hub was not loose nor was
nut. I found it no issue to remove prop/hub assemby and made it a
personal inspection point at every other annual. I wouldn't think it
is a "set it and forget it" Ronco cooker. Probably because the
short splined Warner and Rangers use no front cone and if the forward
bronze bushing is worn the hub can walk around (galling the rear
cone) without experiencing a loss of nut torque. Having witnessed
this, if I was McLucky's mechanic and I never saw that prop off, I
would be inclined to remove it as well.
As for finding the "crank time", it has never failed to be spot on
and repeatable to use a dead stop through a plug hole to find BDC and
set the degree wheel accordingly.

--- In fairchildclub@
yahoogroups.com, "Mike Danielle"
wrote:

>
> Norbert,
>
> If you can find TDC on the back jug, you can time the mags using a

degree

> wheel on the spinner. Or, just use a TimeRight if you can get your

hands on

> one. I recommend the TimeRight but you have to use it on the front

cylinder

> because the tool interferes with the No. 2 cylinder fins. When the

No 1 in

> TDC is on the compression stroke, the No 6 is TDC on the exhaust

stroke.

> You have to keep this in mind and go another 360 degrees to do the

timing

> properly. If your mech can't figure this out, he ain't much of a

mech.

>
> I don't know of anyone who has one of the original factory degree

tools that

> used the arrow that's cast on the front of the case. But you can

get dead

> nuts on with any tool that finds TDC and the TimeRight is the best.
>
> You don't have to remove the prop.
>
> Ranger Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Norbert J. Mc Luckie"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 12:24 PM
> Subject: [fairchildclub] Timing the engine with new mags
>
>
> > I, recently, had my mags rebuilt and it is time to install
them on
> > my Ranger 440-C
> > My A&P thinks that we have to remove the prop in order to do the
timing
> > to the engine.
> > I don't want to do that unless it is absolutely necessary. What
is the
> > opinion of you experts, in the field? This is on a 1938 short-
nosed F-24.
> >
> > Norbert "Lucky" Mc Luckie 815 472 2523 Momence,
Illinois. cell
> > 305 942 7066
> > norbymac20@...
> >
> > Lucky
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

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