Re: Generator removal from 1938 short-nosed F-24

[norbert J. Mc Luckie]

'John Berendt I tried to e-mail Bob Waldron, but I guess that he has changed his address. I am trying to remove the generator from my 175 hp Ranger. I thought that I read a message quite some years ago that the removal could be done without pulling the engine. I have the generator off of the studs but I can't get it out. Can you give me any advice or point me to someone who may have done this.

I hauled the 39 F-24 to Winter Haven, FL, last fall, where it was put together by a friend (an AP-AI). When I attempted to do a test flight, I got 20 feet off the runway when the engine quit so I landed with a lot of runway left. We tried it again after 10 days of more work on the carbuerator but it quit before I got to the run-up area. I am now back in Illinois so I don't know what the present situation is.

Is there going to be Fairchild Fly-in, this summer?

Thanks John Lucky Mc Luckie norbymac20@sbcglobal. net

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[fchld]

'Norb,

Bob waldrons e-mail is rjwaldron@cpinternet.com We have not scheduled a fly in yet this year.

John Berendt

----- Original Message -----
From: norbert J. Mc Luckie
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:27 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Generator removal from 1938 short-nosed F-24




John Berendt I tried to e-mail Bob Waldron, but I guess that he has changed his address. I am trying to remove the generator from my 175 hp Ranger. I thought that I read a message quite some years ago that the removal could be done without pulling the engine. I have the generator off of the studs but I can't get it out. Can you give me any advice or point me to someone who may have done this.

I hauled the 39 F-24 to Winter Haven, FL, last fall, where it was put together by a friend (an AP-AI). When I attempted to do a test flight, I got 20 feet off the runway when the engine quit so I landed with a lot of runway left. We tried it again after 10 days of more work on the carbuerator but it quit before I got to the run-up area. I am now back in Illinois so I don't know what the present situation is.

Is there going to be Fairchild Fly-in, this summer?

Thanks John Lucky Mc Luckie norbymac20@sbcglobal. net

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[Gary Dalton]

'Norb - I have a '39 short nose in Greenville, SC. Mine has a Jasco alternator so I don't no if this applies, but I was able to remove the alternator without pulling the engine. Not easy and only fits in and out one way, but doable. Also, as an alternative, perhaps you can loosen the engine mount bolts enough to hoist the engine up just enough (just a skosh) to get generator off the studs. I have successfully done this to remove the cam housing and avoided engine removal. Good luck. - gary

"norbert J. Mc Luckie" wrote:

John Berendt I tried to e-mail Bob Waldron, but I guess that he has changed his address. I am trying to remove the generator from my 175 hp Ranger. I thought that I read a message quite some years ago that the removal could be done without pulling the engine. I have the generator off of the studs but I can't get it out. Can you give me any advice or point me to someone who may have done this.

I hauled the 39 F-24 to Winter Haven, FL, last fall, where it was put together by a friend (an AP-AI). When I attempted to do a test flight, I got 20 feet off the runway when the engine quit so I landed with a lot of runway left. We tried it again after 10 days of more work on the carbuerator but it quit before I got to the run-up area. I am now back in Illinois so I don't know what the present situation is.

Is there going to be Fairchild Fly-in, this summer?

Thanks John Lucky Mc Luckie norbymac20@sbcglobal. net

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[norbert J. Mc Luckie]

'Gary, Thank you for the reply about removing the generator. I just got back from the airport (IKK-Kankakee, IL). I removed the vacumn pump and the tachometer sender and still had quite a struggle. I expect that the re-assemble will be tougher. The generator is safetied with copper or brass wire so I guess that it has been years since it was apart. The copper commutator is black and the brushes are of good size, but, are glazed. I have a terrible static problem and I was convinced that it was being caused by the generator. Now I am not sure but I shall clean it up and grease the back bearing before putting it back together.
Do You have any idea how many short-nosed 24's are registered? I know that Bob Waldron has one.

Thanks, again. Lucky

----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Dalton
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Generator removal from 1938 short-nosed F-24


Norb - I have a '39 short nose in Greenville, SC. Mine has a Jasco alternator so I don't no if this applies, but I was able to remove the alternator without pulling the engine. Not easy and only fits in and out one way, but doable. Also, as an alternative, perhaps you can loosen the engine mount bolts enough to hoist the engine up just enough (just a skosh) to get generator off the studs. I have successfully done this to remove the cam housing and avoided engine removal. Good luck. - gary

"norbert J. Mc Luckie" wrote:

John Berendt I tried to e-mail Bob Waldron, but I guess that he has changed his address. I am trying to remove the generator from my 175 hp Ranger. I thought that I read a message quite some years ago that the removal could be done without pulling the engine. I have the generator off of the studs but I can't get it out. Can you give me any advice or point me to someone who may have done this.

I hauled the 39 F-24 to Winter Haven, FL, last fall, where it was put together by a friend (an AP-AI). When I attempted to do a test flight, I got 20 feet off the runway when the engine quit so I landed with a lot of runway left. We tried it again after 10 days of more work on the carbuerator but it quit before I got to the run-up area. I am now back in Illinois so I don't know what the present situation is.

Is there going to be Fairchild Fly-in, this summer?

Thanks John Lucky Mc Luckie norbymac20@sbcglobal. net

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[robert Etter]

'From my personal experience, I would think that you may need to look into the functional operation of the generator after you get it back together. Your statement about the commutator being black raises some serious questions about the functionality of generator.

I deal with some fairly high current DC motors on a regular basis. When I start seeing the noise level (electronic noise) increase, I start taking a close look at the motor in general, if the brushes are moving freely, and what the contact patch between the brushes and the commutator look like, specifically. When things start going bad, the commutator will lose its brassy color, and start turning dark.

When you get everything back together, see if you can find a test set-up for generators. I personally have used a lathe on occasion. It may not turn it up to full speed and give you the rated voltage. You also may be able to the AC scale on a Volt meter, while it is running, to give you an idea about the AC ripple (noise) on the output voltage. It may sound odd to you, but at work we do a check of AC ripple on 150 VDC & 300 VDC power supplies just that way. Don't ask me about how much ripple would be allowable, that I don't know.

Bob Etter

----- Original Message -----
From: norbert J. Mc Luckie
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Generator removal from 1938 short-nosed F-24


Gary, Thank you for the reply about removing the generator. I just got back from the airport (IKK-Kankakee, IL). I removed the vacumn pump and the tachometer sender and still had quite a struggle. I expect that the re-assemble will be tougher. The generator is safetied with copper or brass wire so I guess that it has been years since it was apart. The copper commutator is black and the brushes are of good size, but, are glazed. I have a terrible static problem and I was convinced that it was being caused by the generator. Now I am not sure but I shall clean it up and grease the back bearing before putting it back together.
Do You have any idea how many short-nosed 24's are registered? I know that Bob Waldron has one.

Thanks, again. Lucky
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Dalton
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Generator removal from 1938 short-nosed F-24

Norb - I have a '39 short nose in Greenville, SC. Mine has a Jasco alternator so I don't no if this applies, but I was able to remove the alternator without pulling the engine. Not easy and only fits in and out one way, but doable. Also, as an alternative, perhaps you can loosen the engine mount bolts enough to hoist the engine up just enough (just a skosh) to get generator off the studs. I have successfully done this to remove the cam housing and avoided engine removal. Good luck. - gary

"norbert J. Mc Luckie" wrote:

John Berendt I tried to e-mail Bob Waldron, but I guess that he has changed his address. I am trying to remove the generator from my 175 hp Ranger. I thought that I read a message quite some years ago that the removal could be done without pulling the engine. I have the generator off of the studs but I can't get it out. Can you give me any advice or point me to someone who may have done this.

I hauled the 39 F-24 to Winter Haven, FL, last fall, where it was put together by a friend (an AP-AI). When I attempted to do a test flight, I got 20 feet off the runway when the engine quit so I landed with a lot of runway left. We tried it again after 10 days of more work on the carbuerator but it quit before I got to the run-up area. I am now back in Illinois so I don't know what the present situation is.

Is there going to be Fairchild Fly-in, this summer?

Thanks John Lucky Mc Luckie norbymac20@sbcglobal. net

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[Gary Dalton]

'Lucky - Yes, I do recall having to remove the tach cable and other items for removal of the alternator. As for how many are registered, I've read that about 35 Rs were sold in 1939 with a few more, 40 or so, Ws being sold the same year. I've seen on the internet (somewhere) that about 15 39Rs are still registered worldwide. Unsure how many are airworthy and unsure about the number of '38s still around. I can be reached at gad(at)gel.com if you ever want to exchange photos and/or ideas, questions, etc. - gary

"norbert J. Mc Luckie" wrote: Gary, Thank you for the reply about removing the generator. I just got back from the airport (IKK-Kankakee, IL). I removed the vacumn pump and the tachometer sender and still had quite a struggle. I expect that the re-assemble will be tougher. The generator is safetied with copper or brass wire so I guess that it has been years since it was apart. The copper commutator is black and the brushes are of good size, but, are glazed. I have a terrible static problem and I was convinced that it was being caused by the generator. Now I am not sure but I shall clean it up and grease the back bearing before putting it back together.
Do You have any idea how many short-nosed 24's are registered? I know that Bob Waldron has one.

Thanks, again. Lucky

----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Dalton
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Generator removal from 1938 short-nosed F-24

Norb - I have a '39 short nose in Greenville, SC. Mine has a Jasco alternator so I don't no if this applies, but I was able to remove the alternator without pulling the engine. Not easy and only fits in and out one way, but doable. Also, as an alternative, perhaps you can loosen the engine mount bolts enough to hoist the engine up just enough (just a skosh) to get generator off the studs. I have successfully done this to remove the cam housing and avoided engine removal. Good luck. - gary

"norbert J. Mc Luckie" wrote:

John Berendt I tried to e-mail Bob Waldron, but I guess that he has changed his address. I am trying to remove the generator from my 175 hp Ranger. I thought that I read a message quite some years ago that the removal could be done without pulling the engine. I have the generator off of the studs but I can't get it out. Can you give me any advice or point me to someone who may have done this.

I hauled the 39 F-24 to Winter Haven, FL, last fall, where it was put together by a friend (an AP-AI). When I attempted to do a test flight, I got 20 feet off the runway when the engine quit so I landed with a lot of runway left. We tried it again after 10 days of more work on the carbuerator but it quit before I got to the run-up area. I am now back in Illinois so I don't know what the present situation is.

Is there going to be Fairchild Fly-in, this summer?

Thanks John Lucky Mc Luckie norbymac20@sbcglobal. net

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[rangerrobertmn]

'Norbert,

Sorry you couldn't get hold of me. Sounds like you got the
generator off. Mine seemed like it would NOT come off without
moving the engine, but it did.

Hope things go together well.

Bob Waldron
NC18681 at HOTMAIL dot COM


--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "norbert J. Mc Luckie"
wrote:

>
>
>
> John Berendt I tried to e-mail Bob Waldron, but I

guess that he has changed his address. I am trying to remove the
generator from my 175 hp Ranger. I thought that I read a message
quite some years ago that the removal could be done without pulling
the engine. I have the generator off of the studs but I can't get
it out. Can you give me any advice or point me to someone who may
have done this.

>
> I hauled the 39 F-24 to Winter Haven, FL, last fall,

where it was put together by a friend (an AP-AI). When I attempted
to do a test flight, I got 20 feet off the runway when the engine
quit so I landed with a lot of runway left. We tried it again
after 10 days of more work on the carbuerator but it quit before I
got to the run-up area. I am now back in Illinois so I don't know
what the present situation is.

>
> Is there going to be Fairchild Fly-in, this summer?
>
> Thanks John Lucky Mc Luckie

norbymac20@sbcglobal. net

>
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>

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[harry hayman]

'Hi Gary
I also have a 39R short nosed F24. Serial
#300,NC20619
I live just south of Jacksonville Fl.Plane is in
annual and I am putting it on the market.Do you have
any idea what the average asking price is.I know the
condition of the plane has a bearing on it'value.It's
juat a naice looking machine and fly's as good as it
look's.
Where are you based?
I also have a clipped wing cub which will be my swan
song. Am 79 going on 80 and the F24 is a little heavy
to get in and out of the hangar.
Harry



--- Gary Dalton wrote:

> Lucky - Yes, I do recall having to remove the tach
> cable and other items for removal of the
> alternator. As for how many are registered, I've
> read that about 35 Rs were sold in 1939 with a few
> more, 40 or so, Ws being sold the same year. I've
> seen on the internet (somewhere) that about 15 39Rs
> are still registered worldwide. Unsure how many
> are airworthy and unsure about the number of '38s
> still around. I can be reached at gad(at)gel.com
> if you ever want to exchange photos and/or ideas,
> questions, etc. - gary
>
> "norbert J. Mc Luckie"
> wrote:
> Gary, Thank you for the reply about removing
> the generator. I just got back from the airport
> (IKK-Kankakee, IL). I removed the vacumn pump and
> the tachometer sender and still had quite a
> struggle. I expect that the re-assemble will be
> tougher. The generator is safetied with copper or
> brass wire so I guess that it has been years since
> it was apart. The copper commutator is black and
> the brushes are of good size, but, are glazed. I
> have a terrible static problem and I was convinced
> that it was being caused by the generator. Now I am
> not sure but I shall clean it up and grease the
> back bearing before putting it back together.
> Do You have any idea how many short-nosed
> 24's are registered? I know that Bob Waldron has
> one.
>
> Thanks, again. Lucky
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gary Dalton
> To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 9:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Generator removal
> from 1938 short-nosed F-24
>
> Norb - I have a '39 short nose in Greenville, SC.
> Mine has a Jasco alternator so I don't no if this
> applies, but I was able to remove the alternator
> without pulling the engine. Not easy and only fits
> in and out one way, but doable. Also, as an
> alternative, perhaps you can loosen the engine
> mount bolts enough to hoist the engine up just
> enough (just a skosh) to get generator off the
> studs. I have successfully done this to remove the
> cam housing and avoided engine removal. Good luck. -
> gary
>
> "norbert J. Mc Luckie"
> wrote:
>
> John Berendt I tried to e-mail Bob Waldron, but I
> guess that he has changed his address. I am trying
> to remove the generator from my 175 hp Ranger. I
> thought that I read a message quite some years ago
> that the removal could be done without pulling the
> engine. I have the generator off of the studs but I
> can't get it out. Can you give me any advice or
> point me to someone who may have done this.
>
> I hauled the 39 F-24 to Winter Haven, FL, last
> fall, where it was put together by a friend (an
> AP-AI). When I attempted to do a test flight, I got
> 20 feet off the runway when the engine quit so I
> landed with a lot of runway left. We tried it again
> after 10 days of more work on the carbuerator but
> it quit before I got to the run-up area. I am now
> back in Illinois so I don't know what the present
> situation is.
>
> Is there going to be Fairchild Fly-in, this
> summer?
>
> Thanks John Lucky Mc Luckie norbymac20@sbcglobal.
> net
>
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Fax 904-284-3869



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