Re: Ranger and Warner 145 Engine Mount Bushings

Jamie S. Treat · Post by **Jamie S. Treat** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 10:30 pm

'Ranger and Warner 145 owners,

I have a complete set of (4) Ranger and (4) Warner 145 Bushings for
sale at my cost. They are new stock manuf by Southland Manuf. Just
require pressing into your mount. They are not cheap but will last
many years longer than the 60 year old bench stock that we have been
purchasing. Warner 145 and 165 bushings are not available anymore.

Contact me direct. The four 145 Warner bushings are ready to ship
from my shop, the Rangers are at Southland.

New Warner 165/185 bushings are also available from Southland Maunf.
They just finished a complete set for NC22036. Shipping to me this
week.

Excellant workmanship, highly recommend.

What ever you do, do not throw away or damage the bushings steel
inserts, they can be reused by Southland.

Jamie S. Treat
Aircraft Restoration & Repair
303-648-0103'

F J and D A Cox · Post by **F J and D A Cox** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 5:36 am

'Hi Jamie,

I'm definitely interested in the Ranger ones - Could you confirm they are good for the 200 HP and if they are - what cost please.

My project is moving - but only very, very slowly - I am away a lot at present.

Compliments of the season

Best regards

Frank Cox

Argus G-BCBL

----- Original Message -----
From: Jamie S. Treat
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 4:30 AM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Ranger and Warner 145 Engine Mount Bushings

Ranger and Warner 145 owners,

I have a complete set of (4) Ranger and (4) Warner 145 Bushings for
sale at my cost. They are new stock manuf by Southland Manuf. Just
require pressing into your mount. They are not cheap but will last
many years longer than the 60 year old bench stock that we have been
purchasing. Warner 145 and 165 bushings are not available anymore.

Contact me direct. The four 145 Warner bushings are ready to ship
from my shop, the Rangers are at Southland.

New Warner 165/185 bushings are also available from Southland Maunf.
They just finished a complete set for NC22036. Shipping to me this
week.

Excellant workmanship, highly recommend.

What ever you do, do not throw away or damage the bushings steel
inserts, they can be reused by Southland.

Jamie S. Treat
Aircraft Restoration & Repair
303-648-0103

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'

fairchild24_de · Post by **fairchild24_de** » Thu Dec 14, 2006 3:30 pm

'Hi Jamie

I´d be very interested in that bushings! We´re just overhauling our
200hp Ranger to get our plane flying again in spring! As we removed
the engine one of the mounts failed already, so we definetely have
to replace them!
In addition we need a servicable crankshaft as ours is worn at the
bearing shafts. It looks like one of the last owners ran it with low
or zero oil level what lead to feelable groves in the bearing shafts
and an eggshape up to .03mm. As far as I know there is no
maintenance instruction to repair this by grinding and using
oversize/undersize bearings.
Another problem we have are worn flyweights at the crankshaft, they
are too loose and moving too easily. Is there any possibility to fix
that!? Any tricks and tips welcome.

Greetings from Germany

Roman
www.fairchid24.de
--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Jamie S. Treat"
wrote:

>
> Ranger and Warner 145 owners,
>
> I have a complete set of (4) Ranger and (4) Warner 145 Bushings

for

> sale at my cost. They are new stock manuf by Southland Manuf. Just
> require pressing into your mount. They are not cheap but will last
> many years longer than the 60 year old bench stock that we have

been

> purchasing. Warner 145 and 165 bushings are not available anymore.
>
> Contact me direct. The four 145 Warner bushings are ready to ship
> from my shop, the Rangers are at Southland.
>
> New Warner 165/185 bushings are also available from Southland

Maunf.

> They just finished a complete set for NC22036. Shipping to me this
> week.
>
> Excellant workmanship, highly recommend.
>
> What ever you do, do not throw away or damage the bushings steel
> inserts, they can be reused by Southland.
>
> Jamie S. Treat
> Aircraft Restoration & Repair
> 303-648-0103
>

'

Michael Denest · Post by **Michael Denest** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 3:55 pm

'Roman,
Your situation with the crankshaft concerns me. From your description it sounds like your crankshaft is the victim of an improper bearing installation. If you look at the lands for each crank bearing, you will see a pin installed in the center of the mount area. Each bearing sleeve has a hole drilled off center to allow the bearing to be installed on the pin. This pin prevents the bearing from spinning which will cause the galling and excessive wear both on the bearing surface and the crankshaft surface. If the bearing is installed in such a way to push down the pin, it will certainly spin. Your crankshaft is basically scrap, so trying to grind out to a smooth surface will be next to impossible and is not worth the monetary effort.

I don't understand your comments about the wear on the counterweights so could you explain a bit more of what you have?

My recommendations are to replace the entire crankshaft with counterweight assembly, and procure new replacement bearing sets for both the crankcase and connecting rods. You should also have a zyglo inspection performed on the upper and lower crankcase half to insure that they have not undergone undo stresses from the spinning bearings. Just curious, how much metal did you find in the oil?

If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me.

Mike Denest

----- Original Message ----
From: fairchild24_de
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 4:25:27 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Ranger and Warner 145 Engine Mount Bushings

Hi Jamie

I´d be very interested in that bushings! We´re just overhauling our
200hp Ranger to get our plane flying again in spring! As we removed
the engine one of the mounts failed already, so we definetely have
to replace them!
In addition we need a servicable crankshaft as ours is worn at the
bearing shafts. It looks like one of the last owners ran it with low
or zero oil level what lead to feelable groves in the bearing shafts
and an eggshape up to .03mm. As far as I know there is no
maintenance instruction to repair this by grinding and using
oversize/undersize bearings.
Another problem we have are worn flyweights at the crankshaft, they
are too loose and moving too easily. Is there any possibility to fix
that!? Any tricks and tips welcome.

Greetings from Germany

Roman
www.fairchid24. de
--- In fairchildclub@ yahoogroups. com, "Jamie S. Treat"
wrote:

>
> Ranger and Warner 145 owners,
>
> I have a complete set of (4) Ranger and (4) Warner 145 Bushings

for

> sale at my cost. They are new stock manuf by Southland Manuf. Just
> require pressing into your mount. They are not cheap but will last
> many years longer than the 60 year old bench stock that we have

been

> purchasing. Warner 145 and 165 bushings are not available anymore.
>
> Contact me direct. The four 145 Warner bushings are ready to ship
> from my shop, the Rangers are at Southland.
>
> New Warner 165/185 bushings are also available from Southland

Maunf.

> They just finished a complete set for NC22036. Shipping to me this
> week.
>
> Excellant workmanship, highly recommend.
>
> What ever you do, do not throw away or damage the bushings steel
> inserts, they can be reused by Southland.
>
> Jamie S. Treat
> Aircraft Restoration & Repair
> 303-648-0103
>

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Susiroman@aol.com · Post by **Susiroman@aol.com** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 4:50 pm

'And what I forgot is to ask for the engine mounts! Are they still available!?

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Susiroman@aol.com · Post by **Susiroman@aol.com** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 4:59 pm

'Hello Mike

That´s what we thought too, but there is no evidence of spinning bearings
they´re still sitting corectly on the respective pins. But the engine had an oil
problem as we purchased the plane. Due to only 20hrs running time in 10
years and around 200hrs in the last 20 years the piston rings were clogged in
their grooves and the engine threw out a lot of oil through the crankase
breather. This lead to a very low to maybe zero oil situation during a longer flight
of the preowner and the guys in my engine shop said this may have caused the
grooves.
A sticker on the engine makes believe it was overhauled by antique aero
engines once, but there are no records when, nor do we know how many hours it
made since its last overhaul!
But anyhow, in case the crankshaft would be repairable, are there oversize
bearings still available? Btw we didnt have any metal findings in the oil, but
we flew it only 5hrs since we purchased it and I had to do a safety landing
on the way home from a fly in after spilling 8 litres of oil in 30 minutes.

The problem we see in the counterweights is that two of them move very
easily and without any resistance an one mooves slowly in a more viscous way.
Could or should there any adjustment be made and if, in which manner? I couldn´t
find anything about that in the overhaul manual!

Roman Breitenbach

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Curt Kinchen · Post by **Curt Kinchen** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 11:20 am

'Ranger engine mounts bushings are available from Fresno airparts.

--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, Susiroman@... wrote:
>
> And what I forgot is to ask for the engine mounts! Are they still
available!?
>
>
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Jamie Treat · Post by **Jamie Treat** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 7:49 pm

'Yes they are. But the only problem is they all 60 year old rubber and bonding. The last set I purchased are now failing. $400.00 shot, lasted about 20 hours. Roll the dice.

Jamie

Jamie S. Treat
Aircraft Restoration & Repair
24201 David C. Johnson Loop
Elbert, CO 80106
Kelly Airpark (CO15)

Hm/Hgr 303-648-0130

----- Original Message -----
From: Curt Kinchen
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 10:20 AM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Ranger and Warner 145 Engine Mount Bushings

Ranger engine mounts bushings are available from Fresno airparts.

--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, Susiroman@... wrote:
>
> And what I forgot is to ask for the engine mounts! Are they still
available!?
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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