Re: Engine Question

Mirek Filipowicz · Post by **Mirek Filipowicz** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 11:50 am

'Dear All,
Please forgive my ignorance but...
Was anybody of You considered ever exchanging Ranger with LOM engine ?
(http://www.moraviation.com/)
Regards,
Mirek'

Michael Denest · Post by **Michael Denest** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 12:12 pm

'Mirek,
Not to slight your suggestion but to replace a Ranger
with a LOM would require the weight of the engineering
paper equal to the weight of the airplane and the
associated costs to get FAA approval. It would be
nice to just install one but there would be
repercussions of the enforcement kind. The LOM is a
nice engine but it is easier paper work wise to
install on the experimental/amateur built aircraft.

Mike

--- Mirek Filipowicz wrote:

> Dear All,
> Please forgive my ignorance but...
> Was anybody of You considered ever exchanging Ranger
> with LOM engine ?
> (http://www.moraviation.com/)
> Regards,
> Mirek

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danMichael · Post by **danMichael** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 5:55 pm

'Mirek:

> Was anybody of You considered ever exchanging Ranger with LOM engine ?

Ive had the same thought and talked with the LOM reps at Oshkosh in
years past. The problem is that the LOM isnt a certified engine in
the US, so installing it in an airplane with a standard type
certificate in the US is nigh impossible without restrictions so
severe that its useless.

Besides that, there would be some systems and airframe issues to
resolve since the engine is fuel-injected and rotates in the opposite
direction from the Ranger.

:Dan
:NC81323'

Jamie S. Treat · Post by **Jamie S. Treat** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 6:26 pm

'Mirek,

Would love to. You need to get the LOM FAA Type Certified.

I have been down this road before with your outfit and the Factory
Engineers, no luck to date.

Jamie

Jamie S. Treat A&P/IA
Aircraft Restoration & Repair
24201 David C. Johnson Loop
Kelly Airpark
Elbert, CO 80106
HM/Shop 303-648-0130
JamieTreat@direcway.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mirek Filipowicz"
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Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 11:45 AM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Engine Question

> Dear All,
> Please forgive my ignorance but...
> Was anybody of You considered ever exchanging Ranger with LOM engine ?
> (http://www.moraviation.com/)
> Regards,
> Mirek
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ranger440c5 · Post by **ranger440c5** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 6:59 pm

'And on top of that, it's still not economically practical...at least
in the US. The money involved in performing the conversion and
resolving the aforementioned legal requirements plus a who knows what
kid of prop cost added to the upfront
aquisition costs($14K or so last time I looked) still cannot undercut
the overhauling cost for a Ranger. At least while there is still an
available source of parts/ services available. As long as a Ranger
can be OH'd for $22K or less there's no cost advantage. Unless of
course it burns 25% less fuel (who's data we going to trust here?
It's uncertified so you'll have to trust the manufacturer...sure).
I hope LOM's are built better inside than the castings looked on the
outside. The 2 I saw had very sloppy foundry work....cracks in their
sand molds, mismatched halves, coarse snag grinder marks , trowel
tracks all over the pattern. Probably holds an extra gallon of oil in
all the snags and holes on the inside, think about the drain back
rate..the faster it drains back, the sooner it's scavenged, the
quicker it gets to the cooler and into the tank ready for another
round, smoother is better. The castings and engines may be
completely sound, but they left a very poor impression. That Ranger
crankcase and cam housing castings are premium foundry work...smooth
as a baby's butt. One half doen't shadow the other at the mating
surfaces over 1/32"...and these were made during war time with no
civil
customer to impress. What's LOM's excuse?
Besides, I don't have any metric tools in my aircraft tool box!

--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, danMichael wrote:
>
> Mirek:
>
> > Was anybody of You considered ever exchanging Ranger with LOM
engine ?
>
> Ive had the same thought and talked with the LOM reps at Oshkosh
in
> years past. The problem is that the LOM isnt a certified engine
in
> the US, so installing it in an airplane with a standard type
> certificate in the US is nigh impossible without restrictions so
> severe that its useless.
>
> Besides that, there would be some systems and airframe issues to
> resolve since the engine is fuel-injected and rotates in the
opposite
> direction from the Ranger.
>
> :Dan
> :NC81323
>

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John Berendt · Post by **John Berendt** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:20 am

'Mirek,

This was trued by a club member a few years ago. The reception he got from
Moravia was less than kind. Mike is right the cost and paper work would be
very bad. You would have to get the engine at no cost in order to do this.
are you the people in Thunder Bay Ontario?

John Berendt Fairchild Club

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mirek Filipowicz"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 12:45 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Engine Question

> Dear All,
> Please forgive my ignorance but...
> Was anybody of You considered ever exchanging Ranger with LOM engine ?
> (http://www.moraviation.com/)
> Regards,
> Mirek
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Mirek Filipowicz · Post by **Mirek Filipowicz** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 12:34 pm

'John & All,
Thank All of You for all kind responses.

I apology for not introduce myself earlier.

> are you the people in Thunder Bay Ontario?

Negative. "Currently" I'm from Stein, Bavaria.

But I learned to fly at EPBA....

I have been infected with the 'vintage-aircraft' fever
since my very early days and the Fairchild is one of my
latest "discoveries"...
Imagine - there was a man not aware of existance of Your favourite A/C.
Sorry, I'm East-Europian...

Regards,
Mirek'