Re: NC77605 Rebuild - "Newer" Pics

[windshieldguy2000]

'To All:

I just uploaded three newer pictures of the work on my project.
People keep asking when it will fly and I always tell them "I'll fly
it on Tuesday". I don't know which Tuesday it will be (maybe 2008?),
but it will definitely fly on a Tuesday.

The picture of the fuselage frame shows the tubing after cleanup and
paint, with the new stringers on and the headliner and wiring
substantially done. According to the manuals and the memories of
some of the old Temco guys still living in the DFW area, the fuselage
tubing was originally a color from Tennessee Eastman Corporation
called "Tenite" (# 6647-5171). I'm not sure what the word "Tenite"
means, but the color is basically a beige with quite a bit of Salmon
(pink) in it. I found quite a bit of this stuff in unmolested form
when I was stripping small parts and decided to go with a color a
little closer to beige, but far easier on the eyes. Kudos to Mike
Redpath for his attention to detail on the stringers. Getting the
contours just right took more labor than the manufacture of the
stringers themselves, but the finished product will be well worth the
effort.

The instrument panel is another feather in Mike's cap. The original
panel was in fairly good condition, but years of hard use and the odd
cutting or elongating of a hole here or an opening there required a
LOT of tedious sheet metal work to make the panel "right". I'm
putting a Garmin GPS / Comm and Transponder in the hump and you can
see the intercom installation and late-style ELT controls in the area
between the hump and the engine controls. The engine controls are
new cables, housings, and knobs fabricated from billet aluminum that
we'll paint to match the original Bakelite knobs, which I still have,
but they've deteriorated quite a bit. The rest of the panel will be
original, which seems to be a nice compromise between the need for
modern avionics when flying in the very busy Dallas-Fort Worth
airspace and the need to keep the airplane as close to original as
possible. I'm trying to find a correct vintage radio face to put
over the top of the modern radios when the airplane is on display.
Suggestions, anyone?

The last new picture is of the right wing just prior to covering.
Structural work is done and when this picture was taken new cables,
bearings, and wiring were being installed. The right wing is now
covered, stitched (OUCH!), and taped (I'll upload more pics soon). I
had never stitched an entire wing before and I can tell you the
Fairchild wing presents some unique problems for the amateur rib
stitcher, but it was still an enjoyable way to spend a couple days.

Please share your feedback or ideas on my project. This is my first
true antique (my old Apache definitely met the definition of an
antique, but I don't think it would get a good parking spot at
Bartlesville) and I'm wanting to do it "right" and do justice to an
outstanding airplane that was well built by folks right here in North
Texas.

Brad Donner
NC77605'

[Thekortas@aol.com]

'Hey Brad: Sounds like a nice project. Can't wait to see it fly, .....on a
Tursday of course.
Steve Korta
NC77645


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[Tom Mueller]

'Brad,
I'm sure you already know your Fairchild NC77605 was featured in a
1960's Private pilot magazine. Pictures and all. If not, I can send
the article. I'm finishing up an extensive annual on NC77686. I
completely restored the Hayes brakes,among other things, but the
brakes will tax you to your very soul. Hang!
Tom
Hanford,Ca'

[windshieldguy2000]

'Tom: Thanks for information. I have the article and in fact have
tried to locate any surviving members of Charles Guptons' family with
no success. Mr. Gupton (the owner of the airplane when the article
was written, and the guy who rebuilt it in 1964) died in the 1970's.
If you know anyone who kept an airplane in the Long Beach area in the
60's, please send them my way as I'd really like to see if Charles'
family is still around (he had a teenage son when the article was
written).

I'm also rebuilding the Hayes brakes but reserve the right to forgo
originality and put Clevelands on the airplane if the Hayes brakes
tax my soul too much. I'm in a very, very busy area for aviation and
the airplane is going to spend a lot of time on hard surface
runways. If the brakes prove inadequate or unreliable, they'll have
to go.

Good luck with your airplane and if you're ever in North Texas,
please contact me.

Best Wishes,
Brad Donner'

[Tom Mueller]

'B,
Just a couple of tips.
Try to get new items for the Hayes setup.
Tubes, springs, pads, new seals for the master cylinder are
inexpensive.
Expect to find rust where the tube mounts. Gotta Go!
I had the drums turned just a little to true them up.
The new tubes are tight, but a little soap and water is the trick.
Mark the new springs on one side or the other so they all go in
correctly.
I was soooo careful when I did the springs on the first wheel, but
after two
days of wondering why the fit was so tight in the drum, did I realize
one spring was up
side down. Damn!
Tom
Hanford,Ca'

[Chief Russell]

'We will be replacing our original Hayes brakes in the near term and will
have them available for whomever wants them. They just are not good enough
where we operate so are going to Cleveland's...

Dick Russell, N81229

check out the Meyers OTW web site at: www.russellaire.com
-----Original Message-----
From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Tom Mueller
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 7:09 PM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: NC77605 Rebuild - "Newer" Pics


B,
Just a couple of tips.
Try to get new items for the Hayes setup.
Tubes, springs, pads, new seals for the master cylinder are
inexpensive.
Expect to find rust where the tube mounts. Gotta Go!
I had the drums turned just a little to true them up.
The new tubes are tight, but a little soap and water is the trick.
Mark the new springs on one side or the other so they all go in
correctly.
I was soooo careful when I did the springs on the first wheel, but
after two
days of wondering why the fit was so tight in the drum, did I realize
one spring was up
side down. Damn!
Tom
Hanford,Ca






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[Michael Denest]

'This airplane was the basis for an R/C model
construction article that was featured in Model
Airplane News in the late sixties. There is a picture
of Chuck holding the model in front of his airplane.

Mike

--- windshieldguy2000 wrote:

> Tom: Thanks for information. I have the article
> and in fact have
> tried to locate any surviving members of Charles
> Guptons' family with
> no success. Mr. Gupton (the owner of the airplane
> when the article
> was written, and the guy who rebuilt it in 1964)
> died in the 1970's.
> If you know anyone who kept an airplane in the Long
> Beach area in the
> 60's, please send them my way as I'd really like to
> see if Charles'
> family is still around (he had a teenage son when
> the article was
> written).
>
> I'm also rebuilding the Hayes brakes but reserve the
> right to forgo
> originality and put Clevelands on the airplane if
> the Hayes brakes
> tax my soul too much. I'm in a very, very busy area
> for aviation and
> the airplane is going to spend a lot of time on hard
> surface
> runways. If the brakes prove inadequate or
> unreliable, they'll have
> to go.
>
> Good luck with your airplane and if you're ever in
> North Texas,
> please contact me.
>
> Best Wishes,
> Brad Donner
>
>
>
>

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[Buell Powell]

'Dick,
I would be interested in the brakes. The brakes & wheels were sold
off my project before I bought it. I have some that I bought but am not sure
how well they will work until I try them. I have a T/craft that I fly now
that has the shin cable brakes so I am used to not having much brakeing
power.
Buell Powell

----- Original Message -----
From: "CHIEF RUSSELL"
To:
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 10:22 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] RE: Hayes brakes..


> We will be replacing our original Hayes brakes in the near term and will
> have them available for whomever wants them. They just are not good enough
> where we operate so are going to Cleveland's...
>
> Dick Russell, N81229
>
> check out the Meyers OTW web site at: www.russellaire.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Tom Mueller
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 7:09 PM
> To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: NC77605 Rebuild - "Newer" Pics
>
>
> B,
> Just a couple of tips.
> Try to get new items for the Hayes setup.
> Tubes, springs, pads, new seals for the master cylinder are
> inexpensive.
> Expect to find rust where the tube mounts. Gotta Go!
> I had the drums turned just a little to true them up.
> The new tubes are tight, but a little soap and water is the trick.
> Mark the new springs on one side or the other so they all go in
> correctly.
> I was soooo careful when I did the springs on the first wheel, but
> after two
> days of wondering why the fit was so tight in the drum, did I realize
> one spring was up
> side down. Damn!
> Tom
> Hanford,Ca
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[Chief Russell]

'Buell -

We have struggled with these things for over a year and to say the least,
the just don't work well in the F24-! Hopefully, we will have them off in
the near future as our annual is due this month. Will advise when we get the
Hayes removed..

THX

Dick, N81229

Freedom is Not Free-!

see our Meyers OTW web site at: www.russellaire.com and our Chiefs' Council
at www.councilofchiefs.org
-----Original Message-----
From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Buell Powell
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 5:31 PM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] RE: Hayes brakes..


Dick,
I would be interested in the brakes. The brakes & wheels were
sold
off my project before I bought it. I have some that I bought but am not
sure
how well they will work until I try them. I have a T/craft that I fly now
that has the shin cable brakes so I am used to not having much brakeing
power.
Buell Powell

----- Original Message -----
From: "CHIEF RUSSELL"
To:
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 10:22 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] RE: Hayes brakes..


> We will be replacing our original Hayes brakes in the near term and will
> have them available for whomever wants them. They just are not good
enough
> where we operate so are going to Cleveland's...
>
> Dick Russell, N81229
>
> check out the Meyers OTW web site at: www.russellaire.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Tom Mueller
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 7:09 PM
> To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: NC77605 Rebuild - "Newer" Pics
>
>
> B,
> Just a couple of tips.
> Try to get new items for the Hayes setup.
> Tubes, springs, pads, new seals for the master cylinder are
> inexpensive.
> Expect to find rust where the tube mounts. Gotta Go!
> I had the drums turned just a little to true them up.
> The new tubes are tight, but a little soap and water is the trick.
> Mark the new springs on one side or the other so they all go in
> correctly.
> I was soooo careful when I did the springs on the first wheel, but
> after two
> days of wondering why the fit was so tight in the drum, did I realize
> one spring was up
> side down. Damn!
> Tom
> Hanford,Ca
>
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[Buell Powell]

'Dick,
Thanks-I either fly from small airports or grass strips so if I can
get them to hold for a run-up its plenty for me.
Buell

----- Original Message -----
From: "CHIEF RUSSELL"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 9:32 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] RE: [Fairchild club] RE: Hayes brakes..


> Buell -
>
> We have struggled with these things for over a year and to say the least,
> the just don't work well in the F24-! Hopefully, we will have them off in
> the near future as our annual is due this month. Will advise when we get
the
> Hayes removed..
>
> THX
>
> Dick, N81229
>
> Freedom is Not Free-!
>
> see our Meyers OTW web site at: www.russellaire.com and our Chiefs'
Council
> at www.councilofchiefs.org
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Buell Powell
> Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 5:31 PM
> To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] RE: Hayes brakes..
>
>
> Dick,
> I would be interested in the brakes. The brakes & wheels were
> sold
> off my project before I bought it. I have some that I bought but am not
> sure
> how well they will work until I try them. I have a T/craft that I fly
now
> that has the shin cable brakes so I am used to not having much brakeing
> power.
> Buell Powell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "CHIEF RUSSELL"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 10:22 PM
> Subject: [fairchildclub] RE: Hayes brakes..
>
>
> > We will be replacing our original Hayes brakes in the near term and
will
> > have them available for whomever wants them. They just are not good
> enough
> > where we operate so are going to Cleveland's...
> >
> > Dick Russell, N81229
> >
> > check out the Meyers OTW web site at: www.russellaire.com
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Tom Mueller
> > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 7:09 PM
> > To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: NC77605 Rebuild - "Newer" Pics
> >
> >
> > B,
> > Just a couple of tips.
> > Try to get new items for the Hayes setup.
> > Tubes, springs, pads, new seals for the master cylinder are
> > inexpensive.
> > Expect to find rust where the tube mounts. Gotta Go!
> > I had the drums turned just a little to true them up.
> > The new tubes are tight, but a little soap and water is the trick.
> > Mark the new springs on one side or the other so they all go in
> > correctly.
> > I was soooo careful when I did the springs on the first wheel, but
> > after two
> > days of wondering why the fit was so tight in the drum, did I
realize
> > one spring was up
> > side down. Damn!
> > Tom
> > Hanford,Ca
> >
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