'Steve.
Covering the wood surfaces on the Fairchilds is the way to do it.
Fabric on the wood was the way it was done back in the early days.
The Howard DGA 15's have a wood wing and they always covered their
wings.
Polyfiber and Cenconite have a light weight fabric that can be
used over plywood. Cenconite calls theirs, Cenconite Uncertified
Light. It's in their Procedure manual 101 on page #3.
I don't think the fabric on the wood hinders the plane in judging.
The Fleet built PT's had fabric on them. Mike and Joe Denest will be
able to tell you for sure on that. I know that the type of screws and
rivets have made a difference on some of the Antiques planes in the
past at Oshkosh. I think I might have left out part of my story on
the US paying for the 200 PT-26's I talked about in my previous
letter today. The AAF payed to have the 200 PT-26's built to replace
the 200 Stearmans they took back.
Keep Em Flying
Mike Kelly'
Re: covering on wings.
Re: covering on wings.
'The Bellanca wooden wing is fabric covered as well. Is it legal to cover the plywood with non-certified fabric?
'----- Original Message -----
From: hotfoot49
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 3:35 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] covering on wings.
Steve.
Covering the wood surfaces on the Fairchilds is the way to do it.
Fabric on the wood was the way it was done back in the early days.
The Howard DGA 15's have a wood wing and they always covered their
wings.
Polyfiber and Cenconite have a light weight fabric that can be
used over plywood. Cenconite calls theirs, Cenconite Uncertified
Light. It's in their Procedure manual 101 on page #3.
I don't think the fabric on the wood hinders the plane in judging.
The Fleet built PT's had fabric on them. Mike and Joe Denest will be
able to tell you for sure on that. I know that the type of screws and
rivets have made a difference on some of the Antiques planes in the
past at Oshkosh. I think I might have left out part of my story on
the US paying for the 200 PT-26's I talked about in my previous
letter today. The AAF payed to have the 200 PT-26's built to replace
the 200 Stearmans they took back.
Keep Em Flying
Mike Kelly
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Re: covering on wings.
'Generally, no. Check the Ceconite website and get a
copy of the manual. http://www.ceconite.com/
You must have FAA approval before you install any
non-certificated item on a certificated aircraft. In
the case of Ceconite Lite, you must provide copies of
the product documentation as to what the material is
and how you are going to install it and two unsigned,
undated copies of FAA Form 337 in order to get
approval to use it. Today, most all of the FSDO's are
sub-contracting this approval process through DER's
and DAR's. Paperwork will be submitted through these
people to the regional engineering office for
approval. So, answer this question, how long do you
have to wait?
The Ceconite/Randolph STC for 101 and 102 fabric is an
FAA approved STC and only requires a FAA Form 337 to
be submitted to FAA after the return to service block
has been signed by your IA. So, if you use 102
fabric, you will get in the air much faster!
Mike
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copy of the manual. http://www.ceconite.com/
You must have FAA approval before you install any
non-certificated item on a certificated aircraft. In
the case of Ceconite Lite, you must provide copies of
the product documentation as to what the material is
and how you are going to install it and two unsigned,
undated copies of FAA Form 337 in order to get
approval to use it. Today, most all of the FSDO's are
sub-contracting this approval process through DER's
and DAR's. Paperwork will be submitted through these
people to the regional engineering office for
approval. So, answer this question, how long do you
have to wait?
The Ceconite/Randolph STC for 101 and 102 fabric is an
FAA approved STC and only requires a FAA Form 337 to
be submitted to FAA after the return to service block
has been signed by your IA. So, if you use 102
fabric, you will get in the air much faster!
Mike
--- cgalley wrote:
------------------------------------------------------------------------------> The Bellanca wooden wing is fabric covered as well.
> Is it legal to cover the plywood with non-certified
> fabric?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: hotfoot49
> To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 3:35 PM
> Subject: [fairchildclub] covering on wings.
>
>
>
> Steve.
>
> Covering the wood surfaces on the Fairchilds is
> the way to do it.
> Fabric on the wood was the way it was done back in
> the early days.
> The Howard DGA 15's have a wood wing and they
> always covered their
> wings.
>
> Polyfiber and Cenconite have a light weight
> fabric that can be
> used over plywood. Cenconite calls theirs,
> Cenconite Uncertified
> Light. It's in their Procedure manual 101 on page
> #3.
>
> I don't think the fabric on the wood hinders the
> plane in judging.
> The Fleet built PT's had fabric on them. Mike and
> Joe Denest will be
> able to tell you for sure on that. I know that the
> type of screws and
> rivets have made a difference on some of the
> Antiques planes in the
> past at Oshkosh. I think I might have left out
> part of my story on
> the US paying for the 200 PT-26's I talked about
> in my previous
> letter today. The AAF payed to have the 200
> PT-26's built to replace
> the 200 Stearmans they took back.
>
> Keep Em Flying
>
> Mike Kelly
>
>
>
>
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Bob Webster
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Re: covering on wings.
'I don't profess to have any knowledge on the plywood covering systems
although I am sure learning a bunch from the exchanges on the subject.
My only thought is that some of the comments sounded like experimenting with
different systems. I think a bit of caution should enter into this thinking
when what happened to Steve Wittman comes to mind.
I would give him a good edge on knowledge of systems with all his
experience, but he messed up pretty good on this one. I don't know what he
used, but it peeled off the wing and caused flutter and pretty much
disintegrated the airplane.
Granted he was probably cruising faster than the PT's red line, but flutter
is flutter.
Just a thought.
Bob'
although I am sure learning a bunch from the exchanges on the subject.
My only thought is that some of the comments sounded like experimenting with
different systems. I think a bit of caution should enter into this thinking
when what happened to Steve Wittman comes to mind.
I would give him a good edge on knowledge of systems with all his
experience, but he messed up pretty good on this one. I don't know what he
used, but it peeled off the wing and caused flutter and pretty much
disintegrated the airplane.
Granted he was probably cruising faster than the PT's red line, but flutter
is flutter.
Just a thought.
Bob'