Re: Wing Paint

[kgassert]

'I am involved in the restoration of a PT19 that has been converted
to a PT26. When we took the covering off of one of the wings we saw
something that surprised us. Painted directly on the wood was a
stars and bars. Also directly on the wood was red paint on the
leading edge as you would expect on a civilian paint scheme. Did
they fly these things with only paint on the wings and no covering?

Here is a link http://www.bcwarbirds.com click on restoration
photos


Thanks,
Kevin'

[Jan Servaites]

'kgassert wrote:

>
> I am involved in the restoration of a PT19 that has been converted
> to a PT26

I would really like to come over and see what you guys are doing. I'm
just 30 miles away. Do you welcome visitors?

--
Jan Servaites (Dayton OH - The Birthplace of Aviation)'

[Steven M. Dennis]

'--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "kgassert"
wrote:

>
> I am involved in the restoration of a PT19 that has been converted
> to a PT26. When we took the covering off of one of the wings we

saw

> something that surprised us. Painted directly on the wood was a
> stars and bars. Also directly on the wood was red paint on the
> leading edge as you would expect on a civilian paint scheme. Did
> they fly these things with only paint on the wings and no covering?
>
> Here is a link http://www.bcwarbirds.com click on restoration
> photos
>
>
> Thanks,
> Kevin

Yes Kevin,

That is correct. It is my understanding that Fairchild didn't cover
any of the wings, they just left the painted plywood exposed. I
have been told it was the Canadians that started covering the
plywood with fabric to withstand the weather better.

I would be interested in finding out if that was just on Fleet
produced PT-26's, or if they also covered the wings on Lend/Leased
Fairchild built -26's that they received from the USAAC too.

I am sure one of the more knowledgeable restorers out there can give
us the scoop. (Hey Mark, what is your take on this?)

Steve )'

[mdaero1941@aol.com]

'Hi Steve and Kevin

o.k. - Fairchild Aircraft of Hagerstown, MD. was the only factory building
26's here in the U.S. Aeronca, St. Louis Street Car, and Howard built 19's an
23's. Subcontractors like Moller Piano and Organ Co. in Hagerstown built wings
and center sections. The method that Fairchild used for finishing the wood
parts was this - all glue joint edges that were exposed were covered with a 2"
pinked edge fabric tape and a few coats of dope brushed on. Then the wings,
center sections, etc., were "painted" (using rags and brushes) with a stuff called
Tuff-On. This stuff would fill in the wood grain really good. It was white in
color with the consistency of paint out of the can. Once it was dry, it was
sanded, and I think another coat was put on and that was also sanded. You now
have a nice surface for paint, so then the paint process began with a few coats
of primer and then yellow or silver. Fleet Aircraft in Fort Erie, Ontario
applied fabric to all their wood components. Back in 1996 to 1998 we restored the
26 for Greg that was a Fleet built and had not had anything major done on it
since WW 2 had fabric covered wings. The fabric was hell to get off, and
before we striped the wings I took a scrub brush and bucket of thinner and "washed"
the top layer of paint off that was applied for surplus sale and uncovered
the original RCAF roundels and serial number. That was neat to see. The whole
plane was a time capsule. I will try to post some photos when I get a chance. By
the way, the national insignias on the Fleet and Fairchild PT's were supplied
by the Decalomania Company, back then. Steve I'll give you a call some time.


Mark Denest


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]'

[Steven M. Dennis]

'--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "kgassert"
wrote:

>
> I am involved in the restoration of a PT19 that has been converted
> to a PT26. When we took the covering off of one of the wings we

saw

> something that surprised us. Painted directly on the wood was a
> stars and bars. Also directly on the wood was red paint on the
> leading edge as you would expect on a civilian paint scheme. Did
> they fly these things with only paint on the wings and no covering?
>
> Here is a link http://www.bcwarbirds.com click on restoration
> photos
>
>
> Thanks,
> Kevin

Yes Kevin,

That is correct. It is my understanding that Fairchild didn't cover
any of the wings, they just left the painted plywood exposed. I
have been told it was the Canadians that started covering the
plywood with fabric to withstand the weather better.

I would be interested in finding out if that was just on Fleet
produced PT-26's, or if they also covered the wings on Lend/Leased
Fairchild built -26's that they received from the USAAC too.

I am sure one of the more knowledgeable restorers out there can give
us the scoop. (Hey Mark, what is your take on this?)

Steve )'

[Steven M. Dennis]

'Thanks Mark and Mike,

For your very informative replies. I knew you guys would know all
the details.

I am assuming that all restorers out there nowadays are covering with
fabric, regardless of where the PT was originally built. How does
that affect the judging process as far as originality in competitions
like Oshkosh? Mike D., I know you are a judge down there, maybe some
of you other guys are too, and could shed some light on this.

Have a GREAT day!

Steve )

--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, mdaero1941@a... wrote:
> Hi Steve and Kevin
>
> o.k. - Fairchild Aircraft of Hagerstown, MD. was the only factory
building
> 26's here in the U.S. Aeronca, St. Louis Street Car, and Howard
built 19's an
> 23's. Subcontractors like Moller Piano and Organ Co. in Hagerstown
built wings
> and center sections. The method that Fairchild used for finishing
the wood
> parts was this - all glue joint edges that were exposed were
covered with a 2"
> pinked edge fabric tape and a few coats of dope brushed on. Then
the wings,
> center sections, etc., were "painted" (using rags and brushes) with
a stuff called
> Tuff-On. This stuff would fill in the wood grain really good. It
was white in
> color with the consistency of paint out of the can. Once it was
dry, it was
> sanded, and I think another coat was put on and that was also
sanded. You now
> have a nice surface for paint, so then the paint process began with
a few coats
> of primer and then yellow or silver. Fleet Aircraft in Fort Erie,
Ontario
> applied fabric to all their wood components. Back in 1996 to 1998
we restored the
> 26 for Greg that was a Fleet built and had not had anything major
done on it
> since WW 2 had fabric covered wings. The fabric was hell to get
off, and
> before we striped the wings I took a scrub brush and bucket of
thinner and "washed"
> the top layer of paint off that was applied for surplus sale and
uncovered
> the original RCAF roundels and serial number. That was neat to see.
The whole
> plane was a time capsule. I will try to post some photos when I get
a chance. By
> the way, the national insignias on the Fleet and Fairchild PT's
were supplied
> by the Decalomania Company, back then. Steve I'll give you a call
some time.
>
>
> Mark Denest
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

'

[Bob Haas]

'Well I guess that gets me off the hook at S&F, what with stainless truss
head screws and shiny smooth wings. I don't even have any graphics on the
cowl panel.



_____

From: Steven M. Dennis [mailto:dennisaeroventures@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 1:51 PM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Wing Paint




Thanks Mark and Mike,

For your very informative replies. I knew you guys would know all
the details.

I am assuming that all restorers out there nowadays are covering with
fabric, regardless of where the PT was originally built. How does
that affect the judging process as far as originality in competitions
like Oshkosh? Mike D., I know you are a judge down there, maybe some
of you other guys are too, and could shed some light on this.

Have a GREAT day!

Steve )

--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, mdaero1941@a... wrote:
> Hi Steve and Kevin
>
> o.k. - Fairchild Aircraft of Hagerstown, MD. was the only factory
building
> 26's here in the U.S. Aeronca, St. Louis Street Car, and Howard
built 19's an
> 23's. Subcontractors like Moller Piano and Organ Co. in Hagerstown
built wings
> and center sections. The method that Fairchild used for finishing
the wood
> parts was this - all glue joint edges that were exposed were
covered with a 2"
> pinked edge fabric tape and a few coats of dope brushed on. Then
the wings,
> center sections, etc., were "painted" (using rags and brushes) with
a stuff called
> Tuff-On. This stuff would fill in the wood grain really good. It
was white in
> color with the consistency of paint out of the can. Once it was
dry, it was
> sanded, and I think another coat was put on and that was also
sanded. You now
> have a nice surface for paint, so then the paint process began with
a few coats
> of primer and then yellow or silver. Fleet Aircraft in Fort Erie,
Ontario
> applied fabric to all their wood components. Back in 1996 to 1998
we restored the
> 26 for Greg that was a Fleet built and had not had anything major
done on it
> since WW 2 had fabric covered wings. The fabric was hell to get
off, and
> before we striped the wings I took a scrub brush and bucket of
thinner and "washed"
> the top layer of paint off that was applied for surplus sale and
uncovered
> the original RCAF roundels and serial number. That was neat to see.
The whole
> plane was a time capsule. I will try to post some photos when I get
a chance. By
> the way, the national insignias on the Fleet and Fairchild PT's
were supplied
> by the Decalomania Company, back then. Steve I'll give you a call
some time.
>
>
> Mark Denest
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]








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[Michael Denest]

'Steve,
There is no affect on judging. We look at the safety
of flight, quality of the work, authenticity as far as
paint, markings and equipment carried. In other
words, barring an annual inspection, we look at the
engine and the access areas for routine maintenance.
The EAA website has the judging document available for
download. It tells you everything you need to know.

Mike

--- "Steven M. Dennis"
wrote:

>
> Thanks Mark and Mike,
>
> For your very informative replies. I knew you guys
> would know all
> the details.
>
> I am assuming that all restorers out there nowadays
> are covering with
> fabric, regardless of where the PT was originally
> built. How does
> that affect the judging process as far as
> originality in competitions
> like Oshkosh? Mike D., I know you are a judge down
> there, maybe some
> of you other guys are too, and could shed some light
> on this.
>
> Have a GREAT day!
>
> Steve )
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com,
> mdaero1941@a... wrote:
> > Hi Steve and Kevin
> >
> > o.k. - Fairchild Aircraft of Hagerstown, MD. was
> the only factory
> building
> > 26's here in the U.S. Aeronca, St. Louis Street
> Car, and Howard
> built 19's an
> > 23's. Subcontractors like Moller Piano and Organ
> Co. in Hagerstown
> built wings
> > and center sections. The method that Fairchild
> used for finishing
> the wood
> > parts was this - all glue joint edges that were
> exposed were
> covered with a 2"
> > pinked edge fabric tape and a few coats of dope
> brushed on. Then
> the wings,
> > center sections, etc., were "painted" (using rags
> and brushes) with
> a stuff called
> > Tuff-On. This stuff would fill in the wood grain
> really good. It
> was white in
> > color with the consistency of paint out of the
> can. Once it was
> dry, it was
> > sanded, and I think another coat was put on and
> that was also
> sanded. You now
> > have a nice surface for paint, so then the paint
> process began with
> a few coats
> > of primer and then yellow or silver. Fleet
> Aircraft in Fort Erie,
> Ontario
> > applied fabric to all their wood components. Back
> in 1996 to 1998
> we restored the
> > 26 for Greg that was a Fleet built and had not had
> anything major
> done on it
> > since WW 2 had fabric covered wings. The fabric
> was hell to get
> off, and
> > before we striped the wings I took a scrub brush
> and bucket of
> thinner and "washed"
> > the top layer of paint off that was applied for
> surplus sale and
> uncovered
> > the original RCAF roundels and serial number. That
> was neat to see.
> The whole
> > plane was a time capsule. I will try to post some
> photos when I get
> a chance. By
> > the way, the national insignias on the Fleet and
> Fairchild PT's
> were supplied
> > by the Decalomania Company, back then. Steve I'll
> give you a call
> some time.
> >
> >
> > Mark Denest
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>
>
>

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[kgassert]

'Thanks everyone for the info.

Kevin
--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, Michael Denest
wrote:

> Steve,
> There is no affect on judging. We look at the safety
> of flight, quality of the work, authenticity as far as
> paint, markings and equipment carried. In other
> words, barring an annual inspection, we look at the
> engine and the access areas for routine maintenance.
> The EAA website has the judging document available for
> download. It tells you everything you need to know.
>
> Mike
>
> --- "Steven M. Dennis"
> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Mark and Mike,
> >
> > For your very informative replies. I knew you guys
> > would know all
> > the details.
> >
> > I am assuming that all restorers out there nowadays
> > are covering with
> > fabric, regardless of where the PT was originally
> > built. How does
> > that affect the judging process as far as
> > originality in competitions
> > like Oshkosh? Mike D., I know you are a judge down
> > there, maybe some
> > of you other guys are too, and could shed some light
> > on this.
> >
> > Have a GREAT day!
> >
> > Steve )
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com,
> > mdaero1941@a... wrote:
> > > Hi Steve and Kevin
> > >
> > > o.k. - Fairchild Aircraft of Hagerstown, MD. was
> > the only factory
> > building
> > > 26's here in the U.S. Aeronca, St. Louis Street
> > Car, and Howard
> > built 19's an
> > > 23's. Subcontractors like Moller Piano and Organ
> > Co. in Hagerstown
> > built wings
> > > and center sections. The method that Fairchild
> > used for finishing
> > the wood
> > > parts was this - all glue joint edges that were
> > exposed were
> > covered with a 2"
> > > pinked edge fabric tape and a few coats of dope
> > brushed on. Then
> > the wings,
> > > center sections, etc., were "painted" (using rags
> > and brushes) with
> > a stuff called
> > > Tuff-On. This stuff would fill in the wood grain
> > really good. It
> > was white in
> > > color with the consistency of paint out of the
> > can. Once it was
> > dry, it was
> > > sanded, and I think another coat was put on and
> > that was also
> > sanded. You now
> > > have a nice surface for paint, so then the paint
> > process began with
> > a few coats
> > > of primer and then yellow or silver. Fleet
> > Aircraft in Fort Erie,
> > Ontario
> > > applied fabric to all their wood components. Back
> > in 1996 to 1998
> > we restored the
> > > 26 for Greg that was a Fleet built and had not had
> > anything major
> > done on it
> > > since WW 2 had fabric covered wings. The fabric
> > was hell to get
> > off, and
> > > before we striped the wings I took a scrub brush
> > and bucket of
> > thinner and "washed"
> > > the top layer of paint off that was applied for
> > surplus sale and
> > uncovered
> > > the original RCAF roundels and serial number. That
> > was neat to see.
> > The whole
> > > plane was a time capsule. I will try to post some
> > photos when I get
> > a chance. By
> > > the way, the national insignias on the Fleet and
> > Fairchild PT's
> > were supplied
> > > by the Decalomania Company, back then. Steve I'll
> > give you a call
> > some time.
> > >
> > >
> > > Mark Denest
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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[Steven M. Dennis]

'

> Thanks everyone for the info.
>
> Kevin

I second that Kevin! I appreciate all of the great info!

Steve )'