Re: Warner 165 TBO?

Alan Macon · Post by **Alan Macon** » Thu Jan 15, 2004 9:41 pm

'To all
What is the TBO on a Warner 165HP,I am looking at on with 1700TT 950
SMOL,Any input would be nice also it is in a 1944 Fairchild 24.

Thanks Alan Macon'

Jamie Treat · Post by **Jamie Treat** » Thu Jan 15, 2004 10:20 pm

'Alan,

Your already looking at TBO.

Per Book Page 40, 1940 addition:

Warner TBO for Cylinders: 250 to 600hrs

Warner TBO for Bottom end: 600 hrs

TBO times above will depend on maintenance, usage, heating, cooling. All the
factors a engine care.

RANGER:

Ranger/TBO for Cylinders: 250 hrs

Ranger/TBO for Bottom end: 500 hrs

TBO times above will depend on maintenance, usage, heating, cooling. All the
factors a engine care.

I have seen both Ranger and Warners go considerably beyond TBO. Take my
Ranger, 800hrs since new 1944. Never had cylinder off. Also know some Ranger
bottom ends going for 2000 hrs.

You will need to take the TBO times into consideration when making your
purchase. The latest price from Radial Engines Inc. is $22,000 for a
complete overhaul.

A replacement SMOH Warner 165 or 185 will run between $22,000 and $33,000
without accessories.

Buck Hubert has one for sale SMOH, $22,000. Or another for $18,500 with full
package that will require complete teardown for insp due to old major. You
will have about $10,000 in overhaul charges. The one with out accessories,
plan on another $7,000.

I just arranged for a Warner 185J for $32,500, no delivery, partial
accessories only.

Now that I scared you!!!!

Jamie S. Treat
Aircraft Restoration & Repair, LLC

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Macon"
To:
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 8:41 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Warner 165 TBO?

> To all
> What is the TBO on a Warner 165HP,I am looking at on with 1700TT 950
> SMOL,Any input would be nice also it is in a 1944 Fairchild 24.
>
> Thanks Alan Macon
>
>
>
>
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Alan Macon · Post by **Alan Macon** » Thu Jan 15, 2004 10:51 pm

'-Jamie
What do you think of a 24 with a jake installed?Alan

-- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, Jamie Treat
wrote:

> Alan,
>
> Your already looking at TBO.
>
> Per Book Page 40, 1940 addition:
>
> Warner TBO for Cylinders: 250 to 600hrs
>
> Warner TBO for Bottom end: 600 hrs
>
> TBO times above will depend on maintenance, usage, heating,

cooling. All the

> factors a engine care.
>
>
> RANGER:
>
> Ranger/TBO for Cylinders: 250 hrs
>
> Ranger/TBO for Bottom end: 500 hrs
>
> TBO times above will depend on maintenance, usage, heating,

cooling. All the

> factors a engine care.
>
> I have seen both Ranger and Warners go considerably beyond TBO.

Take my

> Ranger, 800hrs since new 1944. Never had cylinder off. Also know

some Ranger

> bottom ends going for 2000 hrs.
>
> You will need to take the TBO times into consideration when making

your

> purchase. The latest price from Radial Engines Inc. is $22,000 for a
> complete overhaul.
>
> A replacement SMOH Warner 165 or 185 will run between $22,000 and

$33,000

> without accessories.
>
> Buck Hubert has one for sale SMOH, $22,000. Or another for $18,500

with full

> package that will require complete teardown for insp due to old

major. You

> will have about $10,000 in overhaul charges. The one with out

accessories,

> plan on another $7,000.
>
> I just arranged for a Warner 185J for $32,500, no delivery, partial
> accessories only.
>
> Now that I scared you!!!!
>
> Jamie S. Treat
> Aircraft Restoration & Repair, LLC
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan Macon"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 8:41 PM
> Subject: [fairchildclub] Warner 165 TBO?
>
>
> > To all
> > What is the TBO on a Warner 165HP,I am looking at on with 1700TT

950

> > SMOL,Any input would be nice also it is in a 1944 Fairchild 24.
> >
> > Thanks Alan Macon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> > To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fairchildclub/
> >
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> > fairchildclub-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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> >
> >

'

Jamie Treat · Post by **Jamie Treat** » Thu Jan 15, 2004 11:01 pm

'Alan,

Easy on the engine parts, hard on the landing gear and useful load. Legal
two place with 1/2 fuel. Single seat with full fuel and light baggage. Keep
finding landing gear universals cracked from the loads.

220 Cont makes it worse.

Jamie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Macon"
To:
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 9:50 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Warner 165 TBO?

> -Jamie
> What do you think of a 24 with a jake installed?Alan
>
> -- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, Jamie Treat
> wrote:
> > Alan,
> >
> > Your already looking at TBO.
> >
> > Per Book Page 40, 1940 addition:
> >
> > Warner TBO for Cylinders: 250 to 600hrs
> >
> > Warner TBO for Bottom end: 600 hrs
> >
> > TBO times above will depend on maintenance, usage, heating,
> cooling. All the
> > factors a engine care.
> >
> >
> > RANGER:
> >
> > Ranger/TBO for Cylinders: 250 hrs
> >
> > Ranger/TBO for Bottom end: 500 hrs
> >
> > TBO times above will depend on maintenance, usage, heating,
> cooling. All the
> > factors a engine care.
> >
> > I have seen both Ranger and Warners go considerably beyond TBO.
> Take my
> > Ranger, 800hrs since new 1944. Never had cylinder off. Also know
> some Ranger
> > bottom ends going for 2000 hrs.
> >
> > You will need to take the TBO times into consideration when making
> your
> > purchase. The latest price from Radial Engines Inc. is $22,000 for a
> > complete overhaul.
> >
> > A replacement SMOH Warner 165 or 185 will run between $22,000 and
> $33,000
> > without accessories.
> >
> > Buck Hubert has one for sale SMOH, $22,000. Or another for $18,500
> with full
> > package that will require complete teardown for insp due to old
> major. You
> > will have about $10,000 in overhaul charges. The one with out
> accessories,
> > plan on another $7,000.
> >
> > I just arranged for a Warner 185J for $32,500, no delivery, partial
> > accessories only.
> >
> > Now that I scared you!!!!
> >
> > Jamie S. Treat
> > Aircraft Restoration & Repair, LLC
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alan Macon"
> > To:
> > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 8:41 PM
> > Subject: [fairchildclub] Warner 165 TBO?
> >
> >
> > > To all
> > > What is the TBO on a Warner 165HP,I am looking at on with 1700TT
> 950
> > > SMOL,Any input would be nice also it is in a 1944 Fairchild 24.
> > >
> > > Thanks Alan Macon
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > > To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fairchildclub/
> > >
> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > fairchildclub-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > >
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> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> To visit your group on the web, go to:
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>

'

ranger440c5 · Post by **ranger440c5** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 8:22 pm

'Jamie,
Where did you locate this info? Just curious.

--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, Jamie Treat
wrote:

> RANGER:
>
> Ranger/TBO for Cylinders: 250 hrs
>
> Ranger/TBO for Bottom end: 500 hrs
>
> TBO times above will depend on maintenance, usage, heating,

cooling. All the

> factors a engine care.
>
>
> Jamie S. Treat
> Aircraft Restoration & Repair, LLC
>
>

'

Jamie Treat · Post by **Jamie Treat** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 8:56 pm

'In the Ranger book. That is military recommendations.

Military is always low. My Ranger has 800 hrs and never been touched since
1943, out of the Navy Crate.

A question is? What was the Navy doing with Rangers?

Jamie

----- Original Message -----
From: "ranger440c5"
To:
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 7:22 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Warner 165 TBO?

> Jamie,
> Where did you locate this info? Just curious.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, Jamie Treat
> wrote:
> > RANGER:
> >
> > Ranger/TBO for Cylinders: 250 hrs
> >
> > Ranger/TBO for Bottom end: 500 hrs
> >
> > TBO times above will depend on maintenance, usage, heating,
> cooling. All the
> > factors a engine care.
> >
> >
> > Jamie S. Treat
> > Aircraft Restoration & Repair, LLC
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fairchildclub/
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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>
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>
>

'

Tom Downey · Post by **Tom Downey** » Tue Jan 27, 2004 1:12 am

'--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, Jamie Treat
wrote:

> A question is? What was the Navy doing with Rangers?
>
>
> Jamie

Widgons !!'

Michael Denest · Post by **Michael Denest** » Tue Jan 27, 2004 6:36 am

'Grumman Widgeons.

--- Jamie Treat wrote:

> In the Ranger book. That is military
> recommendations.
>
> Military is always low. My Ranger has 800 hrs and
> never been touched since
> 1943, out of the Navy Crate.
>
> A question is? What was the Navy doing with Rangers?
>
>
> Jamie
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ranger440c5"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 7:22 PM
> Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Warner 165 TBO?
>
>
> > Jamie,
> > Where did you locate this info? Just curious.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, Jamie Treat
>
> > wrote:
> > > RANGER:
> > >
> > > Ranger/TBO for Cylinders: 250 hrs
> > >
> > > Ranger/TBO for Bottom end: 500 hrs
> > >
> > > TBO times above will depend on maintenance,
> usage, heating,
> > cooling. All the
> > > factors a engine care.
> > >
> > >
> > > Jamie S. Treat
> > > Aircraft Restoration & Repair, LLC
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> > To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fairchildclub/
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > fairchildclub-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
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> >
> >
>
>

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Jamie Treat · Post by **Jamie Treat** » Tue Jan 27, 2004 7:15 am

'I forgot about the Navy and Widgons.

JST

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Downey"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 12:11 AM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Warner 165 TBO?

> --- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, Jamie Treat
> wrote:
> > A question is? What was the Navy doing with Rangers?
> >
> >
> > Jamie
>
>
> Widgons !!
>
>
>
>
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Bob and Dot Haas · Post by **Bob and Dot Haas** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 3:12 am

'Hey Jamie! I'm putting new tires on your ride and I think I
have the oil consumption problem covered. I'm still concerned about the
starter clutch torque
setting. According to the data plate it is set at 102.9.
It should be at least 200 ft lbs. I am checking all the local sources
for a spare so I can send this
one out. Still looking for a tach cable for the front seat
on the 19, strange no body seems to know just how long it should be.
For your information, the
engine that was in my 19 since 1943 had 1900 hours on when I
swapped it out, It will now power a replica Fokker in a inverted
configuration with a new
top end.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jamie Treat [mailto:jamietreat@direcway.com]
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 9:50 PM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: Warner 165 TBO?

In the Ranger book. That is military recommendations.

Military is always low. My Ranger has 800 hrs and never been touched
since
1943, out of the Navy Crate.

A question is? What was the Navy doing with Rangers?

Jamie

----- Original Message -----
From: "ranger440c5"
To:
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 7:22 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Warner 165 TBO?

> Jamie,
> Where did you locate this info? Just curious.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, Jamie Treat
> wrote:
> > RANGER:
> >
> > Ranger/TBO for Cylinders: 250 hrs
> >
> > Ranger/TBO for Bottom end: 500 hrs
> >
> > TBO times above will depend on maintenance, usage, heating,
> cooling. All the
> > factors a engine care.
> >
> >
> > Jamie S. Treat
> > Aircraft Restoration & Repair, LLC
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fairchildclub/
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> fairchildclub-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
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> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

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