Re: Engine preheat

[jstreat360@aol.com]

'All,

I agree on the too high of a price. Legal wise, it would require an STC or a
one time field for the pad heater. Seems kind of stupid, all the pad does is
stick there during the flying phase, but one (FAA) must be sure it does not
interfere with other systems like the INS or ILS system:):). As Jon Stosel
says, "Give me a break."

This year I will be making two preheaters (one for the Champ, one for the
F-24) using the elec three speed radiant heater with AC/Heater regulator and
Dryer ducting. Plug all the openings with six inch foam, turn it on low.
Cover up the cowl with the Comm Water heater blanket and presto warm oil and
steel at all times. Cost about 50 bucks for the shooting match. And its
cheaper than moving to Fla.


Jamie S. Treat A&P/IA

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[Dorothy Haas]

'Hey Guys, when I push My 24 or the 19 out on the apron, in January, the oil
temp is in the low green! Bob Haas Buckingham AAFB FL

-----Original Message-----
From: jstreat360@aol.com [mailto:jstreat360@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 8:11 PM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fairchildclub] Engine preheat

All,

I agree on the too high of a price. Legal wise, it would require an STC or a
one time field for the pad heater. Seems kind of stupid, all the pad does is
stick there during the flying phase, but one (FAA) must be sure it does not
interfere with other systems like the INS or ILS system:):). As Jon Stosel
says, "Give me a break."

This year I will be making two preheaters (one for the Champ, one for the
F-24) using the elec three speed radiant heater with AC/Heater regulator and
Dryer ducting. Plug all the openings with six inch foam, turn it on low.
Cover up the cowl with the Comm Water heater blanket and presto warm oil and
steel at all times. Cost about 50 bucks for the shooting match. And its
cheaper than moving to Fla.


Jamie S. Treat A&P/IA

Visit my Web Site:
http://hometown.aol.com/ftreat9191/AIRCRAFTRESTORATIONREPAIRindex.html
">Aircraft Restoration & Repair

Meet my Family
http://hometown.aol.com/ftreat9191/TreatFamilyHomePage.html">Treat
Family Home Page



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[jstreat360@aol.com]

'Bob,

I bet you wear shorts, no shirt and carry a dry towel to wipe off the sweat so you don't stick to the seats in the Spring, summer and fall season.

Jamie'

[twing4@juno.com]

'Bob,
Sounds like you ought to get that gauge fixed, while you're at
it check the oil pressure.... should take at least 10 minutes at 800
rpm to get pressure in Jan.


-- In fairchildclub@y..., jstreat360@a... wrote:

> Bob,
>
> I bet you wear shorts, no shirt and carry a dry towel to wipe off

the sweat so you don't stick to the seats in the Spring, summer and
fall season.

>
> Jamie

'

[OldOOwl@aol.com]

'Re: heater pads...
I have a pad epoxied to the oil tank on my Cessna 195....it works just
fine...on a timer during the winter. It comes on around 0200 to warm up the
oil..and the interior of the plane. I space the "on" times throughout the
day... and can set it up to have the oil warm for early morning flights. On
flyabouts all I need is a place to plug in....and can usually park close
enough to use an extension cord. A portable generator would also work.
The draw is about the same as a 100 watt light bulb.
Another idea is the pre-oiler....I don't have one.
Have just IFR'd the Cessna...and am about to launch into NC19105's
restoration.
Richard Hawley
303-838-4670'

[Scott]

'I've seen a guy do the portable generator thing up here as well. He had
one of those tiny Honda generators (the ones that are so quiet they
sound like an electric motor instead of a gas engine). He carried it in
the back seat of his Citabria and when landed on the lake (on skis) put
the generator near the gear leg, attached a cable and lock so the
generator wasn't able to grow legs quickly while in enjoying a hamburger
and a coke. Ran either a heating pad or a dipshtick heater. Looked like
the perfect setup!

Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Building RV-4
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die!

OldOOwl@aol.com wrote:

>
> Re: heater pads...
> I have a pad epoxied to the oil tank on my Cessna 195....it works just
> fine...on a timer during the winter. It comes on around 0200 to warm up the
> oil..and the interior of the plane. I space the "on" times throughout the
> day... and can set it up to have the oil warm for early morning flights. On
> flyabouts all I need is a place to plug in....and can usually park close
> enough to use an extension cord. A portable generator would also work.
> The draw is about the same as a 100 watt light bulb.
> Another idea is the pre-oiler....I don't have one.
> Have just IFR'd the Cessna...and am about to launch into NC19105's
> restoration.
> Richard Hawley
> 303-838-4670
>
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[rjwaldron@mmmpcc.org]

'--- In fairchildclub@y..., OldOOwl@a... wrote:

> Re: heater pads...
> I have a pad epoxied to the oil tank on my Cessna 195....it works

just

> fine...on a timer during the winter. It comes on around 0200 to

warm up the

> oil..and the interior of the plane.

I have a pad on the tank of my Fairchild 24. I don't use it much
anymore since I insulated and heated the hangar. A local engine
expert cautions against using ANY oil heating apparatus for more than
a few hours before the flight. He recommends that you use it to get
the oil warm, not hot. Hot oil will give off corrosive vapors, into
a nearly sealed engine. He has seen some major rust problems in
engines, where the probable cause was heated oil. He also suggests
that we remove the dipstick after shut-down, to release these
vapors. Try it next time you shut-down, you may be surprised to see
how much comes out. Remember it looks like steam, but is very
corrosive.

Just an additional thought.

Bob Waldron
Fairchild 24K
Stillwater, MN'

[jstreat360@aol.com]

'Bob and his Mech are right on the money. Next bit of advice is fly that airplane often. Recoat those walls and bearings.

Jamie'

[Tom Downey]

'--- In fairchildclub@y..., rjwaldron@m... wrote:

> --- In fairchildclub@y..., OldOOwl@a... wrote:
> > Re: heater pads...
> > I have a pad epoxied to the oil tank on my Cessna 195....it works
> just
> > fine...on a timer during the winter. It comes on around 0200 to
> warm up the
> > oil..and the interior of the plane.
>
> I have a pad on the tank of my Fairchild 24. I don't use it much
> anymore since I insulated and heated the hangar. A local engine
> expert cautions against using ANY oil heating apparatus for more

than

> a few hours before the flight. He recommends that you use it to

get

> the oil warm, not hot. Hot oil will give off corrosive vapors,

into

> a nearly sealed engine. He has seen some major rust problems in
> engines, where the probable cause was heated oil. He also suggests
> that we remove the dipstick after shut-down, to release these
> vapors. Try it next time you shut-down, you may be surprised to

see

> how much comes out. Remember it looks like steam, but is very
> corrosive.
>
> Just an additional thought.
>
> Bob Waldron
> Fairchild 24K
> Stillwater, MN

How can this condensing vapor be any more corrosive than distilled
water ?
Tom D.'

[WALTER ALBERT]

'Jamie I need your address--club information does not list your name or
address. walt

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> Bob and his Mech are right on the money. Next bit of advice is fly that
airplane often. Recoat those walls and bearings.
>
> Jamie
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