Re: SV: [fairchildclub] Re: Brakes

[Michael Kelly]

'_Fresno Airparts Co. still advertises Hayes brake parts in their Trad-A-Plane ad. Down at the bottom right corner of the page. Jamie Treat in Elbert, CO has done Cleveland brake conversions on Waco's and Fairchild 24's. He might have some insight on the conversion. PH: Cell-303-304-7937 , Home/Hanger 303-648-0130. E-mail jamietreat@q.com _______________________________________
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Keep 'Em Flying!

Mike Kelly
Fairhcild Club


Sent: Saturday, October 7, 2017 1:24 PM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Brakes

I just went thru this on a customer's PT-23. It's not as bad as you think. Yes there is someone out there buying up every ounce of Hayes wheel and brake parts. Soon we'll probably see a new dealer's sign selling Hayes parts for a lot more than we used to pay. My customer did manage to find a new old stock expander tube, set of shoes and a drum. Got him back on the road. Part of the problem is the owner's choice of brake fluid. Switching back and forth from petroleum base and auto type 3/4 or silicon 5 doesn't help the expander tube at all. If there has been a lot of fluid choices made in your brake's past then do your own research and choose the best for your needs and then flush the entire system with the correct chemicals and methods. Replace all rubber parts expose to assorted fluids.

As for removal I simply choose a heavy 4x4 or 6x6 and ram the wheel off the drum.

For the 310 style brakes and wheels there are a few folks out there using them and the recent rewrite on Part 23, improvements to aging aircraft, you should not have a hard time peddling a Field Approval thru a FSDO.

Red lines are ok. A wee bit of overkill sometimes but they work fine. I've only installed them on T-6's and Stearmans.'

[Ranchaero Wing Shop]

' Be careful where you drip silicon-based DOT 5 if you do any painting in your shop. Get rid of the rags immediately. Don't touch anything if you get it on your hands. Silicon is notorious for making a painter's life miserable. (fish eye)

David

On 10/7/2017 11:23 AM, Curt Kinchen ptcurt@gmail.com [fairchildclub] wrote:

  I've used DOT 3 and 5 with success, including switching from 3 to 5 with a complete flushing of the system.  Avoid 5606 as that is what swells the bladders.
Likewise,  I was able to remove a wheel from a stuck brake with a swollen bladder due to the use of 5606 with the appropriate "persuader" tool.  Replaced the bladders, flushed the system and used DOT 5 and all was well.  I can't recall if we replaced the shoes too.  

On Oct 7, 2017 10:24 AM, "wsknettl@centurytel.net [fairchildclub]" wrote:
 
I just went thru this on a customer's PT-23. It's not as bad as you think. Yes there is someone out there buying up every ounce of Hayes wheel and brake parts. Soon we'll probably see a new dealer's sign selling Hayes parts for a lot more than we used to pay. My customer did manage to find a new old stock expander tube, set of shoes and a drum. Got him back on the road. Part of the problem is the owner's choice of brake fluid. Switching back and forth from petroleum base and auto type 3/4 or silicon 5 doesn't help the expander tube at all. If there has been a lot of fluid choices made in your brake's past then do your own research and choose the best for your needs and then flush the entire system with the correct chemicals and methods. Replace all rubber parts expose to assorted fluids.
As for removal I simply choose a heavy 4x4 or 6x6 and ram the wheel off the drum.
For the 310 style brakes and wheels there are a few folks out there using them and the recent rewrite on Part 23, improvements to aging aircraft, you should not have a hard time peddling a Field Approval thru a FSDO.
Red lines are ok. A wee bit of overkill sometimes but they work fine. I've only installed them on T-6's and Stearmans.  

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[james chybicki]

'I contacted Fresno Airparts about a month ago.  The person on the phone assured me that someone purchased ALL of the Hayes Brakes, and Ranger parts.Good Luck
Jim ChybickiUC-61K USAAF #43-14964 / RAF #HB690N24FM 

From: "Michael Kelly hotfoot49@hotmail.com [fairchildclub]"
To: "fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 2:44 PM
Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Re: Brakes


_Fresno Airparts Co. still advertises Hayes brake parts in their Trad-A-Plane ad. Down at the bottom right corner of the page. Jamie Treat in Elbert, CO has done Cleveland brake conversions on Waco's and Fairchild 24's. He might have some insight  on the conversion. PH: Cell-303-304-7937 , Home/Hanger 303-648-0130. E-mail jamietreat@q.com  _______________________________________
From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]

Keep 'Em Flying!

Mike Kelly
Fairhcild Club


Sent: Saturday, October 7, 2017 1:24 PM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Brakes

I just went thru this on a customer's PT-23. It's not as bad as you think. Yes there is someone out there buying up every ounce of Hayes wheel and brake parts. Soon we'll probably see a new dealer's sign selling Hayes parts for a lot more than we used to pay. My customer did manage to find a new old stock expander tube, set of shoes and a drum. Got him back on the road. Part of the problem is the owner's choice of brake fluid. Switching back and forth from petroleum base and auto type 3/4 or silicon 5 doesn't help the expander tube at all. If there has been a lot of fluid choices made in your brake's past then do your own research and choose the best for your needs and then flush the entire system with the correct chemicals and methods. Replace all rubber parts expose to assorted fluids.

As for removal I simply choose a heavy 4x4 or 6x6 and ram the wheel off the drum.

For the 310 style brakes and wheels there are a few folks out there using them and the recent rewrite on Part 23, improvements to aging aircraft, you should not have a hard time peddling a Field Approval thru a FSDO.

Red lines are ok. A wee bit of overkill sometimes but they work fine. I've only installed them on T-6's and Stearmans.




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[tomatotruck993]

'Thanks Jim for confirming that. My PT-23 customer was told that in August by Fresno.'

[David Stout]

'I called Fresno airports, even though expander tubes still are advertised , they are out of them and do not think they will be able to find anymore.

ds

On Oct 11, 2017, at 9:20 AM, james chybicki rampratone@yahoo.com [fairchildclub] wrote:

 
I contacted Fresno Airparts about a month ago.  The person on the phone assured me that someone purchased ALL of the Hayes Brakes, and Ranger parts.Good Luck
Jim ChybickiUC-61K USAAF #43-14964 / RAF #HB690N24FM 

From: "Michael Kelly hotfoot49@hotmail.com [fairchildclub]"
To: "fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 2:44 PM
Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Re: Brakes


_Fresno Airparts Co. still advertises Hayes brake parts in their Trad-A-Plane ad. Down at the bottom right corner of the page. Jamie Treat in Elbert, CO has done Cleveland brake conversions on Waco's and Fairchild 24's. He might have some insight  on the conversion. PH: Cell-303-304-7937 , Home/Hanger 303-648-0130. E-mail jamietreat@q.com  _______________________________________
From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]

Keep 'Em Flying!

Mike Kelly
Fairhcild Club


Sent: Saturday, October 7, 2017 1:24 PM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Brakes

I just went thru this on a customer's PT-23. It's not as bad as you think. Yes there is someone out there buying up every ounce of Hayes wheel and brake parts. Soon we'll probably see a new dealer's sign selling Hayes parts for a lot more than we used to pay. My customer did manage to find a new old stock expander tube, set of shoes and a drum. Got him back on the road. Part of the problem is the owner's choice of brake fluid. Switching back and forth from petroleum base and auto type 3/4 or silicon 5 doesn't help the expander tube at all. If there has been a lot of fluid choices made in your brake's past then do your own research and choose the best for your needs and then flush the entire system with the cor! rect chemicals and methods. Replace all rubber parts expose to assorted fluids.

As for removal I simply choose a heavy 4x4 or 6x6 and ram the wheel off the drum.

For the 310 style brakes and wheels there are a few folks out there using them and the recent rewrite on Part 23, improvements to aging aircraft, you should not have a hard time peddling a Field Approval thru a FSDO.

Red lines are ok. A wee bit of overkill sometimes but they work fine. I've only installed them on T-6's and Stearmans.




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[William]

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And it'll destroy the brake pads if DOT 5 gets on them.  Solvent soaking is a waste of time.  Trash em... NC28685

From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Ranchaero Wing Shop david@ranchaerowingshop.com [fairchildclub]
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 3:20 PM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: Brakes    
Be careful where you drip silicon-based DOT 5 if you do any painting in your shop. Get rid of the rags immediately. Don't touch anything if you get it on your hands. Silicon is notorious for making a painter's life miserable. (fish eye)

David

On 10/7/2017 11:23 AM, Curt Kinchen ptcurt@gmail.com [fairchildclub] wrote:

  I've used DOT 3 and 5 with success, including switching from 3 to 5 with a complete flushing of the system.  Avoid 5606 as that is what swells the bladders.
Likewise,  I was able to remove a wheel from a stuck brake with a swollen bladder due to the use of 5606 with the appropriate "persuader" tool.  Replaced the bladders, flushed the system and used DOT 5 and all was well.  I can't recall if we replaced the shoes too.  

On Oct 7, 2017 10:24 AM, "wsknettl@centurytel.net [fairchildclub]" wrote:
 
I just went thru this on a customer's PT-23. It's not as bad as you think. Yes there is someone out there buying up every ounce of Hayes wheel and brake parts. Soon we'll probably see a new dealer's sign selling Hayes parts for a lot more than we used to pay. My customer did manage to find a new old stock expander tube, set of shoes and a drum. Got him back on the road. Part of the problem is the owner's choice of brake fluid. Switching back and forth from petroleum base and auto type 3/4 or silicon 5 doesn't help the expander tube at all. If there has been a lot of fluid choices made in your brake's past then do your own research and choose the best for your needs and then flush the entire system with the correct chemicals and methods. Replace all rubber parts expose to assorted fluids.
As for removal I simply choose a heavy 4x4 or 6x6 and ram the wheel off the drum.
For the 310 style brakes and wheels there are a few folks out there using them and the recent rewrite on Part 23, improvements to aging aircraft, you should not have a hard time peddling a Field Approval thru a FSDO.
Red lines are ok. A wee bit of overkill sometimes but they work fine. I've only installed them on T-6's and Stearmans.  

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[paul pinato]

'HiI cleaned mine. Here what to use. Chlorinated solvents such as trichloroethylene, perchloroethylene and methylene chloride.Acetone or MEK will not do the job. I used warm perchloroethylene.  NC 28685 is right about the problem with silicone. But now days painters has additives to most of the paints to fix fish eyes.      Buy AeroShell herehttps://webshop.eas.se    Paul PinatoÖstergatan 18426 151 LandskronaSweden  +46 (0)705 411 118paul.pinato@telia.com    Från: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]
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And it'll destroy the brake pads if DOT 5 gets on them.  Solvent soaking is a waste of time.  Trash em...NC28685From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Ranchaero Wing Shop david@ranchaerowingshop.com [fairchildclub]
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 3:20 PM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: Brakes    Be careful where you drip silicon-based DOT 5 if you do any painting in your shop. Get rid of the rags immediately. Don't touch anything if you get it on your hands. Silicon is notorious for making a painter's life miserable. (fish eye)

David

On 10/7/2017 11:23 AM, Curt Kinchen ptcurt@gmail.com [fairchildclub] wrote:

  I've used DOT 3 and 5 with success, including switching from 3 to 5 with a complete flushing of the system.  Avoid 5606 as that is what swells the bladders.  Likewise,  I was able to remove a wheel from a stuck brake with a swollen bladder due to the use of 5606 with the appropriate "persuader" tool.  Replaced the bladders, flushed the system and used DOT 5 and all was well.  I can't recall if we replaced the shoes too.      On Oct 7, 2017 10:24 AM, "wsknettl@centurytel.net [fairchildclub]" wrote:  I just went thru this on a customer's PT-23. It's not as bad as you think. Yes there is someone out there buying up every ounce of Hayes wheel and brake parts. Soon we'll probably see a new dealer's sign selling Hayes parts for a lot more than we used to pay. My customer did manage to find a new old stock expander tube, set of shoes and a drum. Got him back on the road. Part of the problem is the owner's choice of brake fluid. Switching back and forth from petroleum base and auto type 3/4 or silicon 5 doesn't help the expander tube at all. If there has been a lot of fluid choices made in your brake's past then do your own research and choose the best for your needs and then flush the entire system with the correct chemicals and methods. Replace all rubber parts expose to assorted fluids.  As for removal I simply choose a heavy 4x4 or 6x6 and ram the wheel off the drum.  For the 310 style brakes and wheels there are a few folks out there using them and the recent rewrite on Part 23, improvements to aging aircraft, you should not have a hard time peddling a Field Approval thru a FSDO.  Red lines are ok. A wee bit of overkill sometimes but they work fine. I've only installed them on T-6's and Stearmans.  

 
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[ccmueller001]

'RPM Technology, LLC, has a product - "Di-Aqua Ready to Use" - that is claimed to be an "aqueous system for the removal of silicone residues".
There is no list of ingredients on the bottle, and I haven't tried it yet.

They are at www.rpm-technology.com

Charles'