Re: Oil consumption on Ranger engine

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Airy-H. Millet
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Re: Oil consumption on Ranger engine

Post by Airy-H. Millet »

' readings on warm engine??
 
reading on cold engines are wrong most of the time on inverted engines, because of oil dripping through rings...
 
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2015 11:36:27 -0500
Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Oil consumption on Ranger engine

  The compression is good. We did have one that had some blow-by on the recent annual, but after running and a little Mystery Oil it came up. All readings are 70+.

From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 11:26 AM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Oil consumption on Ranger engine

Very likely rings. Stuck, broken or worn. What's the compression like?
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 6:58 AM, 'Dan Summerall' dsummerall@gmail.com [fairchildclub] wrote:

We have a Ranger engine in a PT-19 that has always used more oil than it should. Recently though it has spiked to an abnormally high amount. At least one gallon of oil per hour. We have seen lots of oil coming out of the breather tube behind the exhaust and wonder if there are thoughts out there as to what might be the problem. Can the breather assembly fail in some manner?

Dan

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Airy-H. Millet
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Re: Oil consumption on Ranger engine

Post by Airy-H. Millet »

' you have a vernatherm under the oil cooler...
if clogged you should experience high oil temperature...and oil will look as water when draining warm oil out.(black water).
 
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 00:47:54 -0400
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Oil consumption on Ranger engine

  Is there a thermostat in the system? It could be stuck closed.   John   In a message dated 6/9/2015 3:44:29 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com writes:



Dan,


Here are some excerpts from previous posts on a similar subject.  Some thought it was a scavenge pump problem and another had worn valve guides.  I'm just parroting what I read as I am certainly not a mechanic.
Perhaps Cy Galley will log in.
Steve b.


" 3.5 years and 500 hours-my Fairchild 24R46 had its first flight this past weekend. What a thrill and a terrific flying airplane. The bad news is I used a tremendous amount of oil. Engine has a fresh overhaul as does all the accessories including the oil cooler. I thought it might just need to run to break in but I now think something else is going on. This morning I flew her for 45 minutes and used 2.5 gallons of oil. Oil is coming out of the breather line and all over the belly. Oil cooler is warm but breather line is warmer than the oil return line. Any on have any suggestions??? PLEASE HELP!! JON
 


How fast do you turn the engine?  I'll recommend not to run faster than 1900/1950rpm at cruise, for first flights and even later.. (depending on your props).

Was your scavenge pump OK?

are your exhausts pipes "greasy" somehow?  Airy  
Rings haven't seated. Might take up to 50 hours. If you have a worry after about 10 hours, do a compression check to see which cylinder is bad. As for
now, probably all cylinders have excessive blow by. 


If you have a CHT gage, when the rings seat, the Cylinder Head Temperature will show a marked drop in temperature.  Do you have a scavenge pump and is it turning?  Cy Galley


When I bought the plane It used a lot like yours and I lived with it for a while. I checked the rpm (using a model aircraft tach) and gauge rpm there was a difference!!!!


I thought I was setting to odd but the actual was much higher........... as soon as I bought the rpm back to the book figure the consumption reduced ...................... but it was still blowing it out the breather at anything
from 3 to 6 litres a hour.................... not good for touring.  This winter I have performed a proper top end overhaul and and changed the valve guides as they were badly worn............. the piston rings and the usual
de-glazing of the cylinders and the difference is amazing.............. I can't remember when I last put oil in her.


When I first bought her she was meant to have had a top end overhaul but they obviously hadn’t done the valve guides... as they were very worn.  The strange thing was the compressions were ok? I am sure the guys will have an answer for you but this turned out to be my particular problem others I am sure will have other solutions.

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loon36u
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Re: Oil consumption on Ranger engine

Post by loon36u »

'DanJust a thought---I had a vacuum pump seal failure cause sudden oil use.Especially coming out the breather due to the crankcase pressure that it created.Cheers,Lonnie Woodard'
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Airy-H. Millet
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Re: Oil consumption on Ranger engine

Post by Airy-H. Millet »

' there are no vacuum pump on Ranger engines usually!
 
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 19:53:49 -0700
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Oil consumption on Ranger engine

  DanJust a thought---I had a vacuum pump seal failure cause sudden oil use.Especially coming out the breather due to the crankcase pressure that it created.Cheers,Lonnie Woodard
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FJC
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Re: Oil consumption on Ranger engine

Post by FJC »

'There is on mine - Ex military Argus - the venturies, not connected to
anything, were there 'just for show' I think.



Frank



From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 11 June 2015 08:00
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Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Re: Oil consumption on Ranger engine





there are no vacuum pump on Ranger engines usually!


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To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 19:53:49 -0700
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Oil consumption on Ranger engine



Dan

Just a thought---

I had a vacuum pump seal failure cause sudden oil use.

Especially coming out the breather due to the crankcase pressure that it
created.

Cheers,

Lonnie Woodard







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Airy-H. Millet
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Re: Oil consumption on Ranger engine

Post by Airy-H. Millet »

' our European ArgusIII (ranger powered) was still venture connected.
with guarantee since 1948 at least!...
 
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 09:17:20 +0100
Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Re: Oil consumption on Ranger engine

  There is on mine - Ex military Argus - the venturies, not connected to
anything, were there 'just for show' I think.

Frank

From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 11 June 2015 08:00
To: fairchildlist
Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Re: Oil consumption on Ranger engine

there are no vacuum pump on Ranger engines usually!


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To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 19:53:49 -0700
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Oil consumption on Ranger engine

Dan

Just a thought---

I had a vacuum pump seal failure cause sudden oil use.

Especially coming out the breather due to the crankcase pressure that it
created.

Cheers,

Lonnie Woodard

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Airy-H. Millet
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Re: Oil consumption on Ranger engine

Post by Airy-H. Millet »

' by the way:
 
when inside pressure grow up into the crankcase..
every accessories / accessories bearing may become to leak...
 
thus you may notice that the original Generator on the back side of the engine as a small hole, which can evacuate oil leaks through its bearings when it happens. (and if generator is not well assembled, it will be full of oil one day).
 
Airy
 
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 09:17:20 +0100
Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Re: Oil consumption on Ranger engine

  There is on mine - Ex military Argus - the venturies, not connected to
anything, were there 'just for show' I think.

Frank

From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 11 June 2015 08:00
To: fairchildlist
Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Re: Oil consumption on Ranger engine

there are no vacuum pump on Ranger engines usually!


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To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 19:53:49 -0700
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Oil consumption on Ranger engine

Dan

Just a thought---

I had a vacuum pump seal failure cause sudden oil use.

Especially coming out the breather due to the crankcase pressure that it
created.

Cheers,

Lonnie Woodard

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robert Etter
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Re: Oil consumption on Ranger engine

Post by robert Etter »

'An old friend of mine, flew a Fairchild 24R46 out of Chicago.  His motor, as regular as clockwork, used 1 gallon of oil per hour.  Never had a sign as to why it did it.  No oil on the belly, and the exhaust was clean.  Flew for 3 hours, stopped and put in 3 gallons.  Flew 3 more hours, put in 3 gallons and topped off the fuel.  As long as he flew behind that motor, he carried 1 to 2 cases of oil.   He did all of the usual checks, and never had a clue why it used a lot of oil.You might see a photo of his airplane around the mid to late 60's.  He had a little control problem on landing.  There was a Cessna 150 on the back of the fuselage.  The prop came through the cabin, just behind station 3.Bob


On Thursday, June 11, 2015 2:40 AM, "'Airy-H. Millet' flyingairy@hotmail.com [fairchildclub]" wrote:


  by the way:
 
when inside pressure grow up into the crankcase..
every accessories / accessories bearing may become to leak...
 
thus you may notice that the original Generator on the back side of the engine as a small hole, which can evacuate oil leaks through its bearings when it happens. (and if generator is not well assembled, it will be full of oil one day).
 
Airy
 
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 09:17:20 +0100
Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Re: Oil consumption on Ranger engine

  There is on mine - Ex military Argus - the venturies, not connected to
anything, were there 'just for show' I think.

Frank

From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 11 June 2015 08:00
To: fairchildlist
Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Re: Oil consumption on Ranger engine

there are no vacuum pump on Ranger engines usually!


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To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 19:53:49 -0700
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Oil consumption on Ranger engine

Dan

Just a thought---

I had a vacuum pump seal failure cause sudden oil use.

Especially coming out the breather due to the crankcase pressure that it
created.

Cheers,

Lonnie Woodard

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