Re: mogas

Michael Danielle · Post by **Michael Danielle** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 1:12 pm

'Anyone running a Ranger on mogas? I don't know about any STC's but mine
is on an experimental and I'd like to know if this is a viable option.

Thanks,
Mike Danielle'

BOB DUNN · Post by **BOB DUNN** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 1:29 pm

'There is an STC for mogas...and probably everyone with
a Ranger is using it.(can't recall the name of the
company that has the stc, but will get it the next
time I go to the airport.) You'll probably get other
e-mails giving you the name. It;s something like
robertson, I believe.
--- Michael Danielle wrote:

> Anyone running a Ranger on mogas? I don't know about
> any STC's but mine
> is on an experimental and I'd like to know if this
> is a viable option.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike Danielle
>
>

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fchld · Post by **fchld** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 6:25 pm

'Mike, yours being experimental you can run any thing that will work. There is a STC for the Ranger all models from Peterson Aviation Minden Nebraska (938) 237-9338. The cost is $1.00 per hp. you do not need one so just put in the mo-gas and fly. Just make sure it does not have alcohol in it

John Berendt.

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Danielle
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 1:12 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] mogas

Anyone running a Ranger on mogas? I don't know about any STC's but mine
is on an experimental and I'd like to know if this is a viable option.

Thanks,
Mike Danielle

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Bob Haas · Post by **Bob Haas** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 7:03 pm

'Hey John great to hear from you, I think you will find that the
STC is for the engine only, and only

In an F 24 type airframe. No any other certified airframe such as a Widgeon
or M 62 has a STC. I have

used 92-93 octane rated mo-gas in various Ranger engines for the last 20
years and I have not had to buy a

spark plug since. As I recall two STC's are required, a power plant and an
airframe. Bob Haas.

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From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of fchld
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 8:15 PM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] mogas

Mike, yours being experimental you can run any thing that will work. There
is a STC for the Ranger all models from Peterson Aviation Minden Nebraska
(938) 237-9338. The cost is $1.00 per hp. you do not need one so just put in
the mo-gas and fly. Just make sure it does not have alcohol in it

John Berendt.

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Danielle
To: fairchildclub@ yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 1:12 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] mogas

Anyone running a Ranger on mogas? I don't know about any STC's but mine
is on an experimental and I'd like to know if this is a viable option.

Thanks,
Mike Danielle

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Robert Webster · Post by **Robert Webster** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 7:14 pm

'Mike, as John says anything goes except alcohol. I have the Peterson STC and they recommend 1/4 100LL which brings the lead down to about what 80 octane used to be. Supposedly for valve lubrication according to them. I have been using that 3 to 1 mix and it runs fine as it does with straight mogas if I can't come up with avgas at the time.

Bob Webster

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Danielle
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 1:12 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] mogas

Anyone running a Ranger on mogas? I don't know about any STC's but mine
is on an experimental and I'd like to know if this is a viable option.

Thanks,
Mike Danielle

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lawyer.james · Post by **lawyer.james** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 8:41 pm

'Don't know about a MOGAS STC for the Ranger but EAA has one for most
engines. Personaly, I would not use mogas in any airplane. To much
variation in quality, additives, and handling, possibly leading to
contamination with dirt, water,etc. Could cost big bucks in engine or
fuel system repairs or worse. Maybe an off airport landing. Seldom
does anything good come of one of those. You could buy a lot of avgas
for what repairs & medical bills cost these
days.

- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com,
BOB DUNN wrote:

>
> There is an STC for mogas...and probably everyone with
> a Ranger is using it.(can't recall the name of the
> company that has the stc, but will get it the next
> time I go to the airport.) You'll probably get other
> e-mails giving you the name. It;s something like
> robertson, I believe.
> --- Michael Danielle wrote:
>
> > Anyone running a Ranger on mogas? I don't know about
> > any STC's but mine
> > is on an experimental and I'd like to know if this
> > is a viable option.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mike Danielle
> >
> >
>
>
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fchld · Post by **fchld** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 9:47 pm

'Bob,
you are right you need both but, Peterson has for both the Rangier and Warner F24's. But not the PT's but, there are several 337's out to use Peterson's engine STC's on Pt's and PT23's he has the STC for the 220 Cont. if the Fed.'s will let us use them as a basis for your or mine from what we heard at Oshkosh this year that may not be possible any more.

John Berendt----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Haas
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 7:02 AM
Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] mogas

Hey John great to hear from you, I think you will find that the
STC is for the engine only, and only

In an F 24 type airframe. No any other certified airframe such as a Widgeon
or M 62 has a STC. I have

used 92-93 octane rated mo-gas in various Ranger engines for the last 20
years and I have not had to buy a

spark plug since. As I recall two STC's are required, a power plant and an
airframe. Bob Haas.

_____

From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of fchld
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 8:15 PM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] mogas

Mike, yours being experimental you can run any thing that will work. There
is a STC for the Ranger all models from Peterson Aviation Minden Nebraska
(938) 237-9338. The cost is $1.00 per hp. you do not need one so just put in
the mo-gas and fly. Just make sure it does not have alcohol in it

John Berendt.

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Danielle
To: fairchildclub@ yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 1:12 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] mogas

Anyone running a Ranger on mogas? I don't know about any STC's but mine
is on an experimental and I'd like to know if this is a viable option.

Thanks,
Mike Danielle

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fchld · Post by **fchld** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 9:57 pm

'Bob,

All you have to do is be careful were you buy the gas here in Minnesota the station's have to be able to supply gas without ethanol in it. Also use a water removing funnel when fueling the aircraft. I was doing that when we were able to get 80 87 av. gas
The beast fuel I ever used in My PT was leaded regular when it was available. you should see how av.gas is handled and you would know why.

John Berendt

----- Original Message -----
From: lawyer.james
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 8:41 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: mogas

Don't know about a MOGAS STC for the Ranger but EAA has one for most
engines. Personaly, I would not use mogas in any airplane. To much
variation in quality, additives, and handling, possibly leading to
contamination with dirt, water,etc. Could cost big bucks in engine or
fuel system repairs or worse. Maybe an off airport landing. Seldom
does anything good come of one of those. You could buy a lot of avgas
for what repairs & medical bills cost these
days.

- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com,
BOB DUNN wrote:
>
> There is an STC for mogas...and probably everyone with
> a Ranger is using it.(can't recall the name of the
> company that has the stc, but will get it the next
> time I go to the airport.) You'll probably get other
> e-mails giving you the name. It;s something like
> robertson, I believe.
> --- Michael Danielle wrote:
>
> > Anyone running a Ranger on mogas? I don't know about
> > any STC's but mine
> > is on an experimental and I'd like to know if this
> > is a viable option.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mike Danielle
> >
> >
>
>
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fchld · Post by **fchld** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 10:01 pm

'Bob,

I was told to do just that by the EAA's fuel expert in so many words some 15 years ago.

John Berendt

----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Webster
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] mogas

Mike, as John says anything goes except alcohol. I have the Peterson STC and they recommend 1/4 100LL which brings the lead down to about what 80 octane used to be. Supposedly for valve lubrication according to them. I have been using that 3 to 1 mix and it runs fine as it does with straight mogas if I can't come up with avgas at the time.

Bob Webster
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Danielle
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 1:12 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] mogas

Anyone running a Ranger on mogas? I don't know about any STC's but mine
is on an experimental and I'd like to know if this is a viable option.

Thanks,
Mike Danielle

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Mike Danielle · Post by **Mike Danielle** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 10:48 pm

'Hmmm....Went to the Peterson website and found this:

"...we recommend that you use one tank full of 100LL every 75 hours to
replace lead on the valve seats. Lead builds up on these parts and will not
be "washed off" the first time you use an unleaded fuel. By using 100LL only
every 75 hours, you will be supplying adequate lead for these parts. Also,
during break-in following an overhaul or replacement of a cylinder, you
should use 100LL for 25 hours in order to supply lead during the break-in
process. A mixture of 75% unleaded and 25% 100LL yields a lead content
equivalent to 80/87 octane avgas (0.5 gram per gallon). Radial and Franklin
engines should use this mixture at all times because they are much more
dependent on lead for lubrication."

Overall, their website is extremely informative. It appears having a high
wing tank removes most of the vapor lock worries. Might be why the PT's
don't have the STC.

I appreciate all the input from the community.

Mike D.

----- Original Message -----
From: "fchld"
To:
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] mogas

> Bob,
>
> I was told to do just that by the EAA's fuel expert in so many words some
> 15 years ago.
>
> John Berendt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Robert Webster
> To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 7:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] mogas
>
>
> Mike, as John says anything goes except alcohol. I have the Peterson STC
> and they recommend 1/4 100LL which brings the lead down to about what 80
> octane used to be. Supposedly for valve lubrication according to them. I
> have been using that 3 to 1 mix and it runs fine as it does with straight
> mogas if I can't come up with avgas at the time.
>
> Bob Webster
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Danielle
> To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 1:12 PM
> Subject: [fairchildclub] mogas
>
> Anyone running a Ranger on mogas? I don't know about any STC's but mine
> is on an experimental and I'd like to know if this is a viable option.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike Danielle
>
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