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' Jim,I've been flying our original Army Air Corps Waco YPT-14 / UPF-7 since 1973 with Hayes wheels and brakes.  I also fall hard into the “purist” category. I suppose and I want my airplanes as close to how they left the factory as possible.  After all, Waco built just 13 of these and only a few survive. Having said that, I finally bit and installed the Cleveland STC kit this past winter.  I finally came around to realize it was probably better to have modern, new, instead of 75 year old brake shoe castings helping keep this thing where it belongs and not on it's back or in a ditch.  I had several conversations over the years with guys who had the Cleveland and they all said the same thing…. Not worth risking bending a Curtiss Reed or wrecking the airplane because of a shoe failure.  Do I like the new look as much as the old?  No.  But if it saves me a rebuild and an original Reed (and makes it easier to allow others to fly it), I'm in.  Same with my SRE, Cleveland's.  I understand your devotion to original and applaud the desire to keep it that way; Good luck with your decision, but do consider safety and ease of maintenance.
Cheers-Dave

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Fairchild Club eMail List Group 7 Messages Digest #3446 1a Re: Hayes Brake Parts by "james chybicki" rampratone 1b Re: Hayes Brake Parts by "Fritz" avdflyr 1c Re: Hayes Brake Parts by "Hugh Loewenhardt" hughc8c 1d Re: Hayes Brake Parts by "Fritz" avdflyr 2a Cleveland brake 337 by dc871f 2b Re: Cleveland brake 337 by "Jamie Treat" jstreat360 2c Re: Cleveland brake 337 by dc871f
Messages 1a Re: Hayes Brake Parts Thu May 5, 2016 8:16 am (PDT) . Posted by: rampratone@yahoo.com?subject=Re%3A%20Hayes%20Brake%20Parts JamieThanks for the feedback.  I have heard it go both ways.... Yes safety first, but then there are the "purest". I know a couple judges and they all have their points of interest.  We did install Shoulder harnesses, so who knows how that will present.  I guess, if don't know the aircraft type you would never know it didn't have them. I'll send you some pictures.

Thanks!
Jim 

From: "'Jamie Treat' jamietreat@q.com [fairchildclub]"
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 4, 2016 10:12 PM
Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Re: Hayes Brake Parts

  Jim,  Just for the info and record. Installation of modern brakes does not impact the scoring of the aircraft by the judges at the EAA events. Safety comes first. Brakes, shoulder harness, modern seat belts, Elts and such are allowed. Hiding them does present better. Esp ELTs and RCPI switch.  JST  From:  ]
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 11:38 AM
To:  
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: Hayes Brake Parts    Hi EricOur restoration is a 1943 WW2 veteran that is going to be flown to airshows (EAA Airventrue, Thundrer over MI.) we are trying to make it as close to original as possible for Judging purposes.  I would much rather have a "better" system installed, but I know that will weigh heavily on the judging.  Jim    From: "  
Sent: Wednesday, May 4, 2016 9:41 AM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Hayes Brake Parts    I come from the SuperCub world, where almost everyone has abandoned the OEM brakes and wheels for newer styles.  Cleveland brakes and wheels, and brake boosters manufactured by several companies, are pretty much the standard.  At the risk of seeming a blasphemer, why do people stick with the old Hayes brakes?  I'm not trying to take a poke at anyone, or to be provocative - this is part of the educational process for a new F24 owner.   #yiv2354400468 #yiv2354400468 -- #yiv2354400468ygrp- mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font- family:Arial; margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv235440046 8 #yiv2354400468ygrp- mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv235440 0468 #yiv2354400468ygrp- mkp #yiv2354400468hd {color:#628c2a; font-size: 85%;font- weight:700; line-height: 122%;margin: 10px 0;}#yiv2354400468 #yiv2354400468ygrp- mkp #yiv2354400468ads {margin-bottom: 10px;}#yiv235440 0468 #yiv2354400468ygrp- mkp .yiv2354400468ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv2354400468 #yiv2354400468ygrp- mkp .yiv2354400468ad p {margin:0;}# yiv2354400468 #yiv2354400468ygrp- mkp .yiv2354400468ad a {color:#0000ff; 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rampratone@yahoo.com?subject=Re%3A%20Hayes%20Brake%20Parts . fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Hayes%20Brake%20Parts . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (15) . Top ^ 1b Re: Hayes Brake Parts Thu May 5, 2016 8:33 am (PDT) . Posted by: avdflyr@cox.net?subject=Re%3A%20Hayes%20Brake%20Parts I checked my records for the banjo copper washers, and the numbers are as follows; I ordered all of these through AMAZON.COM

Large copper washer (is smooth surface but the banjo will make the serrations)

15mm,… made by DMI, and another by SUR&R AUTO PARTS

I got 20 for $10.26

Smaller copper washer (also smooth)

13mm x 18mm x 1.5mm

Source for Amazon was UX CELL

I got 20 for $6.00

From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 8:43 AM
To: 'Fritz' avdflyr@cox.net [fairchildclub]
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Hayes Brake Parts

¿What is the size?!

Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.

From: 'Fritz' avdflyr@cox.net [fairchildclub]

Sent: Wednesday, May 4, 2016 10:11

To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com

Reply To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Hayes Brake Parts

The copper gaskets for the banjo fitting are available in any quantity from Amazon. I just bought about 30, just for spares. You will need to know the right size in metric.

From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 6:37 AM
To: yahoogroups
Subject: [fairchildclub] Hayes Brake Parts

Hi All

I know over the years I have seen emails back and forth about Hayes Brake parts for the F24 and PT airplanes.

I would like to know if anyone has current Hayes or NAPA part numbers for the Bleeder Screw, "Banjo Fitting" and all the gaskets and seals associated with the Hayes brake system.

I have brake pucks and springs and quite a few frames. but all the fitting and seals are non airworthy.

for reference:

UC-61 Illustrated parts manual AN01-115CA-4 Figure 30 items 3 through 16

PT Illustrated parts manual AN01-115GA-4 Figure 35 items 3 through 20

With this information, I will compile an up to date list for the club to use.

thanks

JIM Chybicki

Midwest Aeronautiques LLC

UC-61K USAAF# 43-14964 / RAF # HB690

RampRatOne-at- yahoo-dot- com

avdflyr@cox.net?subject=Re%3A%20Hayes%20Brake%20Parts . fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Hayes%20Brake%20Parts . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (15) . Top ^ 1c Re: Hayes Brake Parts Thu May 5, 2016 10:14 am (PDT) . Posted by: hughc8c@yahoo.com?subject=Re%3A%20Hayes%20Brake%20Parts All,  A large assortment of metal sealing washers, including copper sealing gaskets in metric sizes are readily available from McMaster Carr. Just enter 'metal sealing washers' to view the catalog page. The copper washers sourced through Amazon probably were supplied by McMaster Carr. Amazon's business is selling other business' product lines via their computer systems. When possible, always go directly to the source. Many items and raw materials needed for aircraft restoration are stocked by McMaster Carr.
  Hugh

On Thursday, May 5, 2016 11:34 AM, "'Fritz' avdflyr@cox.net [fairchildclub]" wrote:


  I checked my records for the banjo copper washers, and the numbers are as follows; I ordered all of these through AMAZON.COM  Large copper washer (is smooth surface but the banjo will make the serrations)15mm,…  made by DMI,  and another by SUR&R AUTO PARTSI got 20 for $10.26  Smaller copper washer (also smooth)13mm x 18mm x 1.5mmSource for Amazon was UX CELLI got 20 for $6.00  From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 8:43 AM
To: 'Fritz' avdflyr@cox.net [fairchildclub]
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Hayes Brake Parts  

¿What is the size?!  Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
| From: 'Fritz' avdflyr@cox.net [fairchildclub]Sent: Wednesday, May 4, 2016 10:11To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.comReply To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [fairchildclub] Hayes Brake Parts |

   The copper gaskets for the banjo fitting are available in any quantity from Amazon. I just bought about 30, just for spares. You will need to know the right size in metric.  From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 6:37 AM
To: yahoogroups
Subject: [fairchildclub] Hayes Brake Parts 

Hi AllI know over the years I have seen emails back and forth about Hayes Brake parts for the F24 and PT airplanes.I would like to know if anyone has current Hayes or NAPA part numbers for the Bleeder Screw, "Banjo Fitting" and all the gaskets and seals associated with the Hayes brake system.I have brake pucks and springs and quite a few frames. but all the fitting and seals are non airworthy. for reference:UC- 61 Illustrated parts manual AN01-115CA-4  Figure 30 items 3 through 16PT  Illustrated parts manual AN01-115GA-4  Figure 35 items 3 through 20 With this information, I will compile an up to date list for the club to use. thanks JIM ChybickiMidwest Aeronautiques LLCUC-61K USAAF# 43-14964 / RAF # HB690RampRatOne- at-yahoo- dot-com  

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hughc8c@yahoo.com?subject=Re%3A%20Hayes%20Brake%20Parts . fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Hayes%20Brake%20Parts . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (15) . Top ^ 1d Re: Hayes Brake Parts Thu May 5, 2016 1:01 pm (PDT) . Posted by: avdflyr@cox.net?subject=Re%3A%20Hayes%20Brake%20Parts I will need to look up my paperwork and let ya know.

From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 8:56 AM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Hayes Brake Parts

As long as you have ordered them maybe you could tell everyone the sizes in metric that you ordered.

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Fritz' avdflyr@cox.net [fairchildclub]
To: fairchildclub
Sent: Wed, May 4, 2016 11:12 am
Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Hayes Brake Parts

The copper gaskets for the banjo fitting are available in any quantity from Amazon. I just bought about 30, just for spares. You will need to know the right size in metric.

From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com ]
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 6:37 AM
To: yahoogroups
Subject: [fairchildclub] Hayes Brake Parts

Hi All

I know over the years I have seen emails back and forth about Hayes Brake parts for the F24 and PT airplanes.

I would like to know if anyone has current Hayes or NAPA part numbers for the Bleeder Screw, "Banjo Fitting" and all the gaskets and seals associated with the Hayes brake system.

I have brake pucks and springs and quite a few frames. but all the fitting and seals are non airworthy.

for reference:

UC-61 Illustrated parts manual AN01-115CA-4 Figure 30 items 3 through 16

PT Illustrated parts manual AN01-115GA-4 Figure 35 items 3 through 20

With this information, I will compile an up to date list for the club to use.

thanks

JIM Chybicki

Midwest Aeronautiques LLC

UC-61K USAAF# 43-14964 / RAF # HB690

RampRatOne-at- yahoo-dot- com

avdflyr@cox.net?subject=Re%3A%20Hayes%20Brake%20Parts . fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Hayes%20Brake%20Parts . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (15) . Top ^ 2a Cleveland brake 337 Thu May 5, 2016 5:44 pm (PDT) . Posted by: dc871f@yahoo.com?subject=Re%3A%20Cleveland%20brake%20337 I was looking in the files for the 337 for brake conversions, didnt see one.


210 or 310 brakes, whats recommended?


Thank you.
dc871f@yahoo.com?subject=Re%3A%20Cleveland%20brake%20337 . fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Cleveland%20brake%20337 . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (3) . Top ^ 2b Re: Cleveland brake 337 Thu May 5, 2016 6:46 pm (PDT) . Posted by: jamietreat@q.com?subject=Re%3A%20Cleveland%20brake%20337 Email me directly for the 337s and info. I have what you need.

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I was looking in the files for the 337 for brake conversions, didnt see one.

210 or 310 brakes, whats recommended?

Thank you.

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