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I didn't look for the picture but one of the reply's to your question has a few bits of incorrect information. The Blue and Yellow paint scheme was also used on some of the other Air Corp planes besides the trainers. In the latter 1930's they used the blue and Yellow on some of the older fighters and the Martin B-10/ When the all metal planes started being used in the latter 30's they left them bare metal. the Blue and Yellow on the trainers was dropped in June of 1942. The ARMY started going to all silver them on the training planes The AT-6 didn't get the standard Blue and Yellow.



Fleet made the PT26 and some PT-23's in Canada and Howard and St.Louis also built them. The Canadian planes were all yellow.
The planes weren't exactly obsolete by 1944. The Army was starting to cut back on their training of pilots so they didn't need as many planes and started to take them out of service. The PT-19B I own went to the RCF in October of 1944 and was put on the Civil register on May 7th of 1945.


Keep 'Em Flying!


Mike Kelly
Fairchild Club
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' about this subject, just remind the Boeing Peashooter P-26 colors...
and about the "blue" used, there was several darker or lighter blue to be used depending on the year!
 
Airy
 
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 04:06:27 +0000
Subject: [fairchildclub] Plane in picture.

  I didn't look for the picture but one of the reply's to your question has a few bits of incorrect information. The Blue and Yellow paint scheme was also used on some of the other Air Corp planes besides the trainers. In the latter 1930's they used the blue and Yellow on some of the older fighters and the Martin B-10/ When the all metal planes started being used in the latter 30's they left them bare metal. the Blue and Yellow on the trainers was dropped in June of 1942. The ARMY started going to all silver them on the training planes The AT-6 didn't get the standard Blue and Yellow.



Fleet made the PT26 and some PT-23's in Canada and Howard and St.Louis also built them. The Canadian planes were all yellow.
The planes weren't exactly obsolete by 1944. The Army was starting to cut back on their training of pilots so they didn't need as many planes and started to take them out of service. The PT-19B I own went to the RCF in October of 1944 and was put on the Civil register on May 7th of 1945.


Keep 'Em Flying!


Mike Kelly
Fairchild Club


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'Thanks all for this info.  I am now considerably better informed about a type about which I knew very little.

Has anyone any suggestions as to its identity, it's registration.  Given that I photographed it in 1978, it might well not be current.

Mick



-----Original Message-----
From: 'Airy-H. Millet' flyingairy@hotmail.com [fairchildclub]
To: fairchildlist
Sent: Fri, Feb 26, 2016 7:54 am
Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Plane in picture.

  about this subject, just remind the Boeing Peashooter P-26 colors...
and about the "blue" used, there was several darker or lighter blue to be used depending on the year!
 
Airy
 
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 04:06:27 +0000
Subject: [fairchildclub] Plane in picture.

  I didn't look for the picture but one of the reply's to your question has a few bits of incorrect information. The Blue and Yellow paint scheme was also used on some of the other Air Corp planes besides the trainers. In the latter 1930's they used the blue and Yellow on some of the older fighters and the Martin B-10/ When the all metal planes started being used in the latter 30's they left them bare metal. the Blue and Yellow on the trainers was dropped in June of 1942. The ARMY started going to all silver them on the training planes The AT-6 didn't get the standard Blue and Yellow.



Fleet made the PT26 and some PT-23's in Canada and Howard and St.Louis also built them. The Canadian planes were all yellow.
The planes weren't exactly obsolete by 1944. The Army was starting to cut back on their training of pilots so they didn't need as many planes and started to take them out of service. The PT-19B I own went to the RCF in October of 1944 and was put on the Civil register on May 7th of 1945.


Keep 'Em Flying!


Mike Kelly
Fairchild Club


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'Mick,May I add a few lines here, as it was me who suggested that you that tried the Fairchild Club Forum for an answer to this mystery.
Undoubtedly, the colors seen the 1978 photograph are very faded - but this will not be the original color scheme, whether the aircraft is a converted ex-USAAF PT-19 or an ex-RCAF PT-26 Cornell.
At face value it appears to be a Fleet-built PT-26A or B, which we Brits refer to as a Cornell Mk.II.  I based that assumption on there being no hole for the starting handle in engine cowling.  I accept, that it may have had both a canopy and/or an electric starter added at some stage which gives us several more possible alternatives.
From a list of register extracts dated circa 1977/78 I can find these three possibilities..N1175N PT-26 FT635     1977 owner address Merritt Island, FL.  Still registered to the same owner but now at an address in Indiana.
N58108 PT-26 FC179     1977 owner address, Palm City, FL.  To owner in Muskogee, OK by 1984.  Current owner in Georgia.                                                           N58759 PT-26 FT616      1977 owner address, Miami, FL. - not shown on 1984 Reg extracts, but current 2016 in TX.
And from 1984 register extracts (not listed 1977/78) N39681 PT-26 FV133     1984 owner address, Miami, FL.  Cancelled in 2012, last owner TX.)
So three of my "possibles" are still registered and possibly active. 
If anyone can put Mick or myself in contact with current owners it might help.

Final thought --- I think the "WT" code of the fin is unusual.  I have seen 1941 photos of USAAC PT-19/19As with an "ED" code on the fin, but nothing quite like this.  Could it be an owner's initials or perhaps relate to a airfield in Florida?
With thanks for any advice, Tony Broadhurst

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' I think that WT stand for "Wichita" ...or another US airbase (training airbase), and such codes were mostly used on Navy air base too!
 
(as I got a friend who has a T-6 with PA standing for Pensacola Navy Base): http://www.f-azrb.com/T-6_F-AZRB/Accueil.html
 
my 2 cts
 
Airy
 
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 03:52:40 -0800
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Plane in picture.

  Mick,May I add a few lines here, as it was me who suggested that you that tried the Fairchild Club Forum for an answer to this mystery.
Undoubtedly, the colors seen the 1978 photograph are very faded - but this will not be the original color scheme, whether the aircraft is a converted ex-USAAF PT-19 or an ex-RCAF PT-26 Cornell.
At face value it appears to be a Fleet-built PT-26A or B, which we Brits refer to as a Cornell Mk.II.  I based that assumption on there being no hole for the starting handle in engine cowling.  I accept, that it may have had both a canopy and/or an electric starter added at some stage which gives us several more possible alternatives.
From a list of register extracts dated circa 1977/78 I can find these three possibilities..N1175N PT-26 FT635     1977 owner address Merritt Island, FL.  Still registered to the same owner but now at an address in Indiana.

N58108 PT-26 FC179     1977 owner address, Palm City, FL.  To owner in Muskogee, OK by 1984.  Current owner in Georgia.                                                           N58759 PT-26 FT616      1977 owner address, Miami, FL. - not shown on 1984 Reg extracts, but current 2016 in TX.
And from 1984 register extracts (not listed 1977/78) N39681 PT-26 FV133     1984 owner address, Miami, FL.  Cancelled in 2012, last owner TX.)
So three of my "possibles" are still registered and possibly active. 
If anyone can put Mick or myself in contact with current owners it might help.

Final thought --- I think the "WT" code of the fin is unusual.  I have seen 1941 photos of USAAC PT-19/19As with an "ED" code on the fin, but nothing quite like this.  Could it be an owner's initials or perhaps relate to a airfield in Florida?
With thanks for any advice, Tony Broadhurst


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