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Thought Experiment

Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2015 8:11 am
by Andrew Budek-Schmeisser
'This may have been addressed before, but has anyone looked into using
an M14P as a Warner replacement in the 24? I doubt this could be
economically STC'd, but from the cursory calcs I've done of the
structure the airframe should be able to handle it with no trouble.

I do realize that it would put the aeroplane into the
experimental-exhibition category; for the way I fly it's not an issue,
but I know it would not be a viable thing for most 24 guys.

Sure be fun to fly, though.'

Re: Thought Experiment

Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2015 9:07 am
by tonylowe2
' Absolutely I have thought about it and suggested it to this forum a couple of years ago.  It was roundly (no pun intended) shot down by the traditionalists, though.  I find the M14P a little long for the F24, but its ancestor, the much more plentiful and cheap Housai HS-6 of 240 to 285 hp, seems just right.  It is virtually identical in diameter to the Warner SS, so it would have little to no effect aesthetically, unlike the Continental and Jacobs you see now and then.  It’s lighter than either of those, as well as the M14P.  It’s horsepower is more in line with the F24 airframe, too.  It has cylinders of about the same displacement as the Warner, but has 9 of them instead of seven.  The HS-6 is used in the very desirable CJ-6 Chinese military trainer that has been imported here in some numbers.  Parts and overhaul availability are good.  The Zhuzhou HS-6 is the Chinese license-built version of the Ivchenko AI-14, from which the Vedeneyev M14P was developed.  These are very good engines.   From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 9:11 AM To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com Subject: [fairchildclub] Thought Experiment    
This may have been addressed before, but has anyone looked into using
an M14P as a Warner replacement in the 24? I doubt this could be
economically STC'd, but from the cursory calcs I've done of the
structure the airframe should be able to handle it with no trouble.

I do realize that it would put the aeroplane into the
experimental-exhibition category; for the way I fly it's not an issue,
but I know it would not be a viable thing for most 24 guys.

Sure be fun to fly, though.
'

Re: Thought Experiment

Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2015 9:11 am
by John Stroud
'I have a complete airframe for sale n81424 if anyone would want to try that conversion

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On Oct 16, 2015, at 11:07 AM, lowea1@comcast.net [fairchildclub] wrote:
 
Absolutely I have thought about it and suggested it to this forum a couple of years ago.  It was roundly (no pun intended) shot down by the traditionalists, though.  I find the M14P a little long for the F24, but its ancestor, the much more plentiful and cheap Housai HS-6 of 240 to 285 hp, seems just right.  It is virtually identical in diameter to the Warner SS, so it would have little to no effect aesthetically, unlike the Continental and Jacobs you see now and then.  It’s lighter than either of those, as well as the M14P.  It’s horsepower is more in line with the F24 airframe, too.  It has cylinders of about the same displacement as the Warner, but has 9 of them instead of seven.  The HS-6 is used in the very desirable CJ-6 Chinese military trainer that has been imported here in some numbers.  Parts and overhaul availability are good.  The Zhuzhou HS-6 is the Chinese license-built version of the Ivchenko AI-14, from which the Vedeneyev M14P was developed.  These are very good engines.   From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 9:11 AM To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com Subject: [fairchildclub] Thought Experiment    
This may have been addressed before, but has anyone looked into using
an M14P as a Warner replacement in the 24? I doubt this could be
economically STC'd, but from the cursory calcs I've done of the
structure the airframe should be able to handle it with no trouble.

I do realize that it would put the aeroplane into the
experimental-exhibition category; for the way I fly it's not an issue,
but I know it would not be a viable thing for most 24 guys.

Sure be fun to fly, though.

'

Re: Thought Experiment

Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2015 9:14 am
by John Stroud
'That was N 81324

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On Oct 16, 2015, at 11:10 AM, John Stroud johns12151@aol.com [fairchildclub] wrote:
 
I have a complete airframe for sale n81424 if anyone would want to try that conversion

Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 16, 2015, at 11:07 AM, lowea1@comcast.net [fairchildclub] wrote:

 
Absolutely I have thought about it and suggested it to this forum a couple of years ago.  It was roundly (no pun intended) shot down by the traditionalists, though.  I find the M14P a little long for the F24, but its ancestor, the much more plentiful and cheap Housai HS-6 of 240 to 285 hp, seems just right.  It is virtually identical in diameter to the Warner SS, so it would have little to no effect aesthetically, unlike the Continental and Jacobs you see now and then.  It’s lighter than either of those, as well as the M14P.  It’s horsepower is more in line with the F24 airframe, too.  It has cylinders of about the same displacement as the Warner, but has 9 of them instead of seven.  The HS-6 is used in the very desirable CJ-6 Chinese military trainer that has been imported here in some numbers.  Parts and overhaul availability are good.  The Zhuzhou HS-6 is the Chinese license-built version of the Ivchenko AI-14, from which the Vedeneyev M14P was developed.  These are very good engines.   From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 9:11 AM To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com Subject: [fairchildclub] Thought Experiment    
This may have been addressed before, but has anyone looked into using
an M14P as a Warner replacement in the 24? I doubt this could be
economically STC'd, but from the cursory calcs I've done of the
structure the airframe should be able to handle it with no trouble.

I do realize that it would put the aeroplane into the
experimental-exhibition category; for the way I fly it's not an issue,
but I know it would not be a viable thing for most 24 guys.

Sure be fun to fly, though.


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