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I have a problem that I am sure someone has confronted and solved. I have a spark plug seized in a spark plug boss. I've tried heat, Kroil, dry ice, no luck. Pins securing the boss in the head to prevent rotation sheared, boss is turning but plug absolutely stuck. I used anti-seize and nominal torque on installation and I am at a loss to explain how the plug is stuck so tight.
 
I am wondering if it would be a good idea to remove the plug and boss from the head, and replace with a new boss. I want to see if anyone has done this, or is there another way?
 
Thanks.
 
Bill McClure'

'Try talking with Daryl Turner IA , manager at Harrison Engine Svc. 219-362-9707 he is currently working on my Warner 165 cylinders and, is pretty knowledgeable on warner cylinder repairs.  JP.Lorie
Newberry, Florida 32669
 
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On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 8:04 PM, "burnmcc@aol.com" wrote:

  I have a problem that I am sure someone has confronted and solved. I have a spark plug seized in a spark plug boss. I've tried heat, Kroil, dry ice, no luck. Pins securing the boss in the head to prevent rotation sheared, boss is turning but plug absolutely stuck. I used anti-seize and nominal torque on installation and I am at a loss to explain how the plug is stuck so tight. I am wondering if it would be a good idea to remove the plug and boss from the head, and replace with a new boss. I want to see if anyone has done this, or is there another way? Thanks. Bill McClure #ygrps-yiv-75214162 #ygrps-yiv-75214162yiv1947038970 #ygrps-yiv-75214162yiv1947038970 -- #ygrps-yiv-75214162yiv1947038970ygrp-mkp { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;} #ygrps-yiv-75214162 #ygrps-yiv-75214162yiv1947038970 #ygrps-yiv-75214162yiv1947038970ygrp-mkp hr { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} #ygrps-yiv-75214162 #ygrps-yiv-75214162yiv1947038970 #ygrps-yiv-75214162yiv1947038970ygrp-mkp #ygrps-yiv-75214162yiv1947038970hd { color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;} #ygrps-yiv-75214162 #ygrps-yiv-75214162yiv1947038970 #ygrps-yiv-75214162yiv1947038970ygrp-mkp #ygrps-yiv-75214162yiv1947038970ads { margin-bottom:10px;} #ygrps-yiv-75214162 #ygrps-yiv-75214162yiv1947038970 #ygrps-yiv-75214162yiv1947038970ygrp-mkp .ygrps-yiv-75214162yiv1947038970ad { padding:0 0;} #ygrps-yiv-75214162 #ygrps-yiv-75214162yiv1947038970 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-----Original Message-----
From: Jp Lorie
To: fairchildclub
Sent: Thu, Nov 14, 2013 11:02 am
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Warner 145 Question

  Try talking with Daryl Turner IA , manager at Harrison Engine Svc. 219-362-9707 he is currently working on my Warner 165 cylinders and, is pretty knowledgeable on warner cylinder repairs.    JP.Lorie
Newberry, Florida 32669
 
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On Wednesday, Novem ber 13, 2013 8:04 PM, "burnmcc@aol.com" wrote:

  I have a problem that I am sure someone has confronted and solved. I have a spark plug seized in a spark plug boss. I've tried heat, Kroil, dry ice, no luck. Pins securing the boss in the head to prevent rotation sheared, boss is turning but plug absolutely stuck. I used anti-seize and nominal torque on installation and I am at a loss to explain how the plug is stuck so tight.   I am wondering if it would be a good idea to remove the plug and boss from the head, and replace with a new boss. I want to see if anyone has done this, or is there another way?   Thanks.   Bill McClure

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' THANKS TO BOTH. ANYONE WITH DIRECT EXPERIENCE OF THIS?   BILL
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Warner 145 Question

  Try talking with Daryl Turner IA , manager at Harrison Engine Svc. 219-362-9707 he is currently working on my Warner 165 cylinders and, is pretty knowledgeable on warner cylinder repairs.    JP.Lorie
Newberry, Florida 32669
 
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On Wednesday, Novem ber 13, 2013 8:04 PM, "burnmcc@aol.com" wrote:

  I have a problem that I am sure someone has confronted and solved. I have a spark plug seized in a spark plug boss. I've tried heat, Kroil, dry ice, no luck. Pins securing the boss in the head to prevent rotation sheared, boss is turning but plug absolutely stuck. I used anti-seize and nominal torque on installation and I am at a loss to explain how the plug is stuck so tight.   I am wondering if it would be a good idea to remove the plug and boss from the head, and replace with a new boss. I want to see if anyone has done this, or is there another way?   Thanks.   Bill McClure

'

'I spoke with Daryl on Friday, and you are right, he is very knowledgable on Warner's. He was able to provide the info I needed, and the likely reason it happened in the first place. 
Thanks for the info.
Bill McClure

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On Nov 14, 2013, at 2:02 PM, Jp Lorie wrote:

 
Try talking with Daryl Turner IA , manager at Harrison Engine Svc. 219-362-9707 he is currently working on my Warner 165 cylinders and, is pretty knowledgeable on warner cylinder repairs.  JP.Lorie
Newberry, Florida 32669
 
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On Wednesday, Novem ber 13, 2013 8:04 PM, "burnmcc@aol.com" wrote:
  I have a problem that I am sure someone has confronted and solved. I have a spark plug seized in a spark plug boss. I've tried heat, Kroil, dry ice, no luck. Pins securing the boss in the head to prevent rotation sheared, boss is turning but plug absolutely stuck. I used anti-seize and nominal torque on installation and I am at a loss to explain how the plug is stuck so tight. I am wondering if it would be a good idea to remove the plug and boss from the head, and replace with a new boss. I want to see if anyone has done this, or is there another way? Thanks. Bill McClure


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Hi Bill,
Can you share with us what the end result was? I am curious as to the cause and cure.
Joe

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-----Original message-----

From: Bill McClure
To: "fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Sat, Nov 16, 2013 14:56:29 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Warner 145 Question



 



I spoke with Daryl on Friday, and you are right, he is very knowledgable on Warner's. He was able to provide the info I needed, and the likely reason it happened in the first place. 


Thanks for the info.


Bill McClure

Sent from my iPad

On Nov 14, 2013, at 2:02 PM, Jp Lorie wrote:




 




Try talking with Daryl Turner IA , manager at Harrison Engine Svc. 219-362-9707 he is currently working on my Warner 165 cylinders and, is pretty knowledgeable on warner cylinder repairs. 

 
JP.Lorie
Newberry, Florida 32669
 
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On Wednesday, Novem ber 13, 2013 8:04 PM, "burnmcc@aol.com" wrote:




 



I have a problem that I am sure someone has confronted and solved. I have a spark plug seized in a spark plug boss. I've tried heat, Kroil, dry ice, no luck. Pins securing the boss in the head to prevent rotation sheared, boss is turning but plug absolutely
stuck. I used anti-seize and nominal torque on installation and I am at a loss to explain how the plug is stuck so tight.
 
I am wondering if it would be a good idea to remove the plug and boss from the head, and replace with a new boss. I want to see if anyone has done this, or is there another way?
 
Thanks.
 
Bill McClure

'

'Was wondering if anyone would ask!  He does believe the boss can be threaded out of the head, just  be careful reinstalling the new bushing that it doesn't cross thread. The bushing is available from Fresno Airparts, and is   P/N 2002, comes std, +.003 and +.006. The brass pin should go in a drilled hole that goes thru the threads of the bushing and the head. If secured this way much less likely for the bushing to turn. I don't think this bushing was drilled this way. As far as why the plug is stuck, he feels a burr might have come off the bushing and locked the threads. Maybe.
Don't know if others have had this problem, but I'd not seen it before.
Bill McC

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On Nov 16, 2013, at 7:18 PM, Joe Preston wrote:

 
Hi Bill,
Can you share with us what the end result was? I am curious as to the cause and cure.
Joe

Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless

-----Original message-----

From: Bill McClure
To: "fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Sat, Nov 16, 2013 14:56:29 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Warner 145 Question

 
I spoke with Daryl on Friday, and you are right, he is very knowledgable on Warner's. He was able to provide the info I needed, and the likely reason it happened in the first place. 
Thanks for the info.
Bill McClure

Sent from my iPad
On Nov 14, 2013, at 2:02 PM, Jp Lorie wrote:

 
Try talking with Daryl Turner IA , manager at Harrison Engine Svc. 219-362-9707 he is currently working on my Warner 165 cylinders and, is pretty knowledgeable on warner cylinder repairs.    JP.Lorie
Newberry, Florida 32669
 
If you are not the intended recipient of this message (including attachments) or if you have received this message in error, immediately notify us and delete it as well as any attachments.

On Wednesday, Novem ber 13, 2013 8:04 PM, "burnmcc@aol.com" wrote:
  I have a problem that I am sure someone has confronted and solved. I have a spark plug seized in a spark plug boss. I've tried heat, Kroil, dry ice, no luck. Pins securing the boss in the head to prevent rotation sheared, boss is turning but plug absolutely stuck. I used anti-seize and nominal torque on installation and I am at a loss to explain how the plug is stuck so tight.   I am wondering if it would be a good idea to remove the plug and boss from the head, and replace with a new boss. I want to see if anyone has done this, or is there another way?   Thanks.   Bill McClure

'

'Bill tell us of the likely cause so that we may attempt to avoid it if possible. JP.Lorie
Newberry, Florida 32669
 
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On Saturday, November 16, 2013 8:02 PM, Bill McClure wrote:

  Was wondering if anyone would ask!  He does believe the boss can be threaded out of the head, just  be careful reinstalling the new bushing that it doesn't cross thread. The bushing is available from Fresno Airparts, and is   P/N 2002, comes std, +.003 and +.006. The brass pin should go in a drilled hole that goes thru the threads of the bushing and the head. If secured this way much less likely for the bushing to turn. I don't think this bushing was drilled this way. As far as why the plug is stuck, he feels a burr might have come off the bushing and locked the threads. Maybe.
Don't know if others have had this problem, but I'd not seen it before.
Bill McC

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On Nov 16, 2013, at 7:18 PM, Joe Preston wrote:

  Hi Bill,
Can you share with us what the end result was? I am curious as to the cause and cure.
Joe

Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless

-----Original message-----

From: Bill McClure
To: "fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Sat, Nov 16, 2013 14:56:29 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Warner 145 Question

  I spoke with Daryl on Friday, and you are right, he is very knowledgable on Warner's. He was able to provide the info I needed, and the likely reason it happened in the first place. 
Thanks for the info.
Bill McClure

Sent from my iPad
On Nov 14, 2013, at 2:02 PM, Jp Lorie wrote:

  Try talking with Daryl Turner IA , manager at Harrison Engine Svc. 219-362-9707 he is currently working on my Warner 165 cylinders and, is pretty knowledgeable on warner cylinder repairs.    JP.Lorie
Newberry, Florida 32669
 
If you are not the intended recipient of this message (including attachments) or if you have received this message in error, immediately notify us and delete it as well as any attachments.

On Wednesday, Novem ber 13, 2013 8:04 PM, "burnmcc@aol.com" wrote:
  I have a problem that I am sure someone has confronted and solved. I have a spark plug seized in a spark plug boss. I've tried heat, Kroil, dry ice, no luck. Pins securing the boss in the head to prevent rotation sheared, boss is turning but plug absolutely stuck. I used anti-seize and nominal torque on installation and I am at a loss to explain how the plug is stuck so tight.   I am wondering if it would be a good idea to remove the plug and boss from the head, and replace with a new boss. I want to see if anyone has done this, or is there another way?   Thanks.   Bill McClure

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'Sorry, the info was here but, I hadn't seen it.Thanks JP.Lorie
Newberry, Florida 32669
 
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On , Jp Lorie wrote:

Bill tell us of the likely cause so that we may attempt to avoid it if possible. JP.Lorie
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On Saturday, November 16, 2013 8:02 PM, Bill McClure wrote:
  Was wondering if anyone would ask!  He does believe the boss can be threaded out of the head, just  be careful reinstalling the new bushing that it doesn't cross thread. The bushing is available from Fresno Airparts, and is   P/N 2002, comes std, +.003 and +.006. The brass pin should go in a drilled hole that goes thru the threads of the bushing and the head. If secured this way much less likely for the bushing to turn. I don't think this bushing was drilled this way. As far as why the plug is stuck, he feels a burr might have come off the bushing and locked the threads. Maybe.
Don't know if others have had this problem, but I'd not seen it before.
Bill McC

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On Nov 16, 2013, at 7:18 PM, Joe Preston wrote:

  Hi Bill,
Can you share with us what the end result was? I am curious as to the cause and cure.
Joe

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From: Bill McClure
To: "fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Sat, Nov 16, 2013 14:56:29 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Warner 145 Question

  I spoke with Daryl on Friday, and you are right, he is very knowledgable on Warner's. He was able to provide the info I needed, and the likely reason it happened in the first place. 
Thanks for the info.
Bill McClure

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On Nov 14, 2013, at 2:02 PM, Jp Lorie wrote:

  Try talking with Daryl Turner IA , manager at Harrison Engine Svc. 219-362-9707 he is currently working on my Warner 165 cylinders and, is pretty knowledgeable on warner cylinder repairs.    JP.Lorie
Newberry, Florida 32669
 
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On Wednesday, Novem ber 13, 2013 8:04 PM, "burnmcc@aol.com" wrote:
  I have a problem that I am sure someone has confronted and solved. I have a spark plug seized in a spark plug boss. I've tried heat, Kroil, dry ice, no luck. Pins securing the boss in the head to prevent rotation sheared, boss is turning but plug absolutely stuck. I used anti-seize and nominal torque on installation and I am at a loss to explain how the plug is stuck so tight.   I am wondering if it would be a good idea to remove the plug and boss from the head, and replace with a new boss. I want to see if anyone has done this, or is there another way?   Thanks.   Bill McClure

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Further to this conversation, I obtained the 145 spark plug bushings from Harman Dickerson. Fresno Airparts had bushings, but the OD was too large. The nominal OD for the 145 is .938 . Harman had the brass bushings and steel pins. What I also found was that the front bushings were all pinned in two places opposite to each other, and with steel pins. The rear ones (the ones hard to get to!) were pinned in one spot with a relatively soft brass pin. I believe that is the cause of all this trouble. Still not completely done, having trouble getting the new bushing to seat all the way down.
 
Bill McClure 

---In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, wrote:

Was wondering if anyone would ask!  He does believe the boss can be threaded out of the head, just  be careful reinstalling the new bushing that it doesn't cross thread. The bushing is available from Fresno Airparts, and is   P/N 2002, comes std, +.003 and +.006. The brass pin should go in a drilled hole that goes thru the threads of the bushing and the head. If secured this way much less likely for the bushing to turn. I don't think this bushing was drilled this way. As far as why the plug is stuck, he feels a burr might have come off the bushing and locked the threads. Maybe.
Don't know if others have had this problem, but I'd not seen it before.
Bill McC

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On Nov 16, 2013, at 7:18 PM, Joe Preston wrote:

 
Hi Bill,
Can you share with us what the end result was? I am curious as to the cause and cure.
Joe

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From: Bill McClure
To: "fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Sat, Nov 16, 2013 14:56:29 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Warner 145 Question

  I spoke with Daryl on Friday, and you are right, he is very knowledgable on Warner's. He was able to provide the info I needed, and the likely reason it happened in the first place. 
Thanks for the info.
Bill McClure

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On Nov 14, 2013, at 2:02 PM, Jp Lorie wrote:

  Try talking with Daryl Turner IA , manager at Harrison Engine Svc. 219-362-9707 he is currently working on my Warner 165 cylinders and, is pretty knowledgeable on warner cylinder repairs.    JP.Lorie
Newberry, Florida 32669
 
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On Wednesday, Novem ber 13, 2013 8:04 PM, "burnmcc@..." wrote:
  I have a problem that I am sure someone has confronted and solved. I have a spark plug seized in a spark plug boss. I've tried heat, Kroil, dry ice, no luck. Pins securing the boss in the head to prevent rotation sheared, boss is turning but plug absolutely stuck. I used anti-seize and nominal torque on installation and I am at a loss to explain how the plug is stuck so tight.   I am wondering if it would be a good idea to remove the plug and boss from the head, and replace with a new boss. I want to see if anyone has done this, or is there another way?   Thanks.   Bill McClure

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