Fairchild Club Forum

Posted: **Sun Oct 21, 2012 11:41 pm**

'Looking to gather all info available on rebuilding Horizontal stab.'

Posted: **Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:16 am**

'On which model?
I have a 24 stab and elevators that is yours for the shipping, it needs a small hole repaired.

--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "tomk" wrote:
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> Looking to gather all info available on rebuilding Horizontal stab.
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Posted: **Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:43 am**

'Hi Tom,
My name is Tom as well. My basket case is a 24W46. I won the bid at the Alaska Aviation Musium so now I am starting another rebuild project. I would be very interested in all the suport your experiance can allow. As for the Stab Where are you located? And is it the same as mine?
Regards,
Tom

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From: Tom_Downey
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 10:16 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Horizontal stab 24w

On which model?
I have a 24 stab and elevators that is yours for the shipping, it needs a small hole repaired.

--- In mailto:fairchildclub%40yahoogroups.com, "tomk" wrote:
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> Looking to gather all info available on rebuilding Horizontal stab.
>

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Posted: **Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:32 pm**

'THe Horizontal stab I have will fit your aircraft.. e-mail me nc19143(at)comcast.net with shipping instructions. (if you want it)

--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, tom kottre wrote:
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> Hi Tom,
> My name is Tom as well. My basket case is a 24W46. I won the bid at the Alaska Aviation Musium so now I am starting another rebuild project. I would be very interested in all the suport your experiance can allow. As for the Stab Where are you located? And is it the same as mine?
> Regards,
> Tom
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> To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 10:16 PM
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> On which model?
> I have a 24 stab and elevators that is yours for the shipping, it needs a small hole repaired.
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> --- In mailto:fairchildclub%40yahoogroups.com, "tomk" wrote:
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> > Looking to gather all info available on rebuilding Horizontal stab.
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Posted: **Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:13 pm**

'Hello Tom Kottre
I also am working on a F24W46 as are a number of other builders I've met. Several of us have fabricated new horizontal stabs. They are not easy to fabricate, but it can be done. If you can find a good original one grab it, but you will have look carefully for damage. The original parts are over 60 years old and the glue joints are a concern. Mine had termites which ate everything that was not soaked in oil, so I had no choice. Feel free to contact me if you have questions on your project.
Rich Seifert
seifertr@verizon.net
909-790-1320

----- Original Message -----
From: tom kottre
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: Horizontal stab 24w

Hi Tom,
My name is Tom as well. My basket case is a 24W46. I won the bid at the Alaska Aviation Musium so now I am starting another rebuild project. I would be very interested in all the suport your experiance can allow. As for the Stab Where are you located? And is it the same as mine?
Regards,
Tom

________________________________
From: Tom_Downey
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 10:16 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Horizontal stab 24w

On which model?
I have a 24 stab and elevators that is yours for the shipping, it needs a small hole repaired.

--- In mailto:fairchildclub%40yahoogroups.com, "tomk" wrote:
>
> Looking to gather all info available on rebuilding Horizontal stab.
>

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Posted: **Sat Oct 27, 2012 12:35 pm**

'I finished my Horizontal Stab last year. One thing that I noticed that didn't seem right was the profile of the rear spar with all of the wood projected into place, didn't match the profile of the elevator. Especially in the vicinity of the outboard elevator hinge mounting point. 1/2-3/4" thinner.

Also, I was afraid that I would get the alignment of the spars wrong or getting the spacing wrong. After the spars were fabricated, I put the mounts the spars in place on the fuselage, drill the holes and bolted that all together. Again getting back the the alignment issues. I took some .020" galvanized steel and made some oversize "C" channels about 12" long by maybe 6" high, with about 1" 90 deg bend on the top and bottom for stiffness. Then I put a 90 X 1 1/2"degree tab on the end of 2 of them that tied into the rear bolts of the front mounts, I made 2 that were slightly smaller to put on therear spar. (the front & rear channels laid face to face) When I got the spars parallel, I drilled and bolted the "C" channels together. Then to make it all stay square and rigid, I put a plate across the top & Bottom of the C channels to a tight box. It worked out real good. When I was done with the building process, I could push the
front bolts almost all of the way the mounts with my thumb.

Isn't applying the top & bottom skin near the tips a lot of fun? I just love those compound curves.
Keeping the rear spar straight is a lot of fun.

Bob

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From: Richard Seifert
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: Horizontal stab 24w

Hello Tom Kottre
I also am working on a F24W46 as are a number of other builders I've met. Several of us have fabricated new horizontal stabs. They are not easy to fabricate, but it can be done. If you can find a good original one grab it, but you will have look carefully for damage. The original parts are over 60 years old and the glue joints are a concern. Mine had termites which ate everything that was not soaked in oil, so I had no choice. Feel free to contact me if you have questions on your project.
Rich Seifert
mailto:seifertr%40verizon.net
909-790-1320

----- Original Message -----
From: tom kottre
To: mailto:fairchildclub%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: Horizontal stab 24w

Hi Tom,
My name is Tom as well. My basket case is a 24W46. I won the bid at the Alaska Aviation Musium so now I am starting another rebuild project. I would be very interested in all the suport your experiance can allow. As for the Stab Where are you located? And is it the same as mine?
Regards,
Tom

________________________________
From: Tom_Downey
To: mailto:fairchildclub%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 10:16 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Horizontal stab 24w

On which model?
I have a 24 stab and elevators that is yours for the shipping, it needs a small hole repaired.

--- In mailto:fairchildclub%40yahoogroups.com, "tomk" wrote:
>
> Looking to gather all info available on rebuilding Horizontal stab.
>

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Posted: **Sat Oct 27, 2012 3:34 pm**

'Thank you all for the good info on the stab. I have seen stabs with the ply. grane parallel and at the bias did they make them both ways?
Tom

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From: Robert Etter
To: "fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: Horizontal stab 24w

I finished my Horizontal Stab last year. One thing that I noticed that didn't seem right was the profile of the rear spar with all of the wood projected into place, didn't match the profile of the elevator. Especially in the vicinity of the outboard elevator hinge mounting point. 1/2-3/4" thinner.

Also, I was afraid that I would get the alignment of the spars wrong or getting the spacing wrong. After the spars were fabricated, I put the mounts the spars in place on the fuselage, drill the holes and bolted that all together. Again getting back the the alignment issues. I took some .020" galvanized steel and made some oversize "C" channels about 12" long by maybe 6" high, with about 1" 90 deg bend on the top and bottom for stiffness. Then I put a 90 X 1 1/2"degree tab on the end of 2 of them that tied into the rear bolts of the front mounts, I made 2 that were slightly smaller to put on therear spar. (the front & rear channels laid face to face) When I got the spars parallel, I drilled and bolted the "C" channels together. Then to make it all stay square and rigid, I put a plate across the top & Bottom of the C channels to a tight box. It worked out real good. When I was done with the building process, I could push the
front bolts almost all of the way the mounts with my thumb.

Isn't applying the top & bottom skin near the tips a lot of fun? I just love those compound curves.
Keeping the rear spar straight is a lot of fun.

Bob

________________________________
From: Richard Seifert
To: mailto:fairchildclub%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: Horizontal stab 24w

Hello Tom Kottre
I also am working on a F24W46 as are a number of other builders I've met. Several of us have fabricated new horizontal stabs. They are not easy to fabricate, but it can be done. If you can find a good original one grab it, but you will have look carefully for damage. The original parts are over 60 years old and the glue joints are a concern. Mine had termites which ate everything that was not soaked in oil, so I had no choice. Feel free to contact me if you have questions on your project.
Rich Seifert
mailto:seifertr%40verizon.net
909-790-1320

----- Original Message -----
From: tom kottre
To: mailto:fairchildclub%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: Horizontal stab 24w

Hi Tom,
My name is Tom as well. My basket case is a 24W46. I won the bid at the Alaska Aviation Musium so now I am starting another rebuild project. I would be very interested in all the suport your experiance can allow. As for the Stab Where are you located? And is it the same as mine?
Regards,
Tom

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From: Tom_Downey
To: mailto:fairchildclub%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 10:16 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Horizontal stab 24w

On which model?
I have a 24 stab and elevators that is yours for the shipping, it needs a small hole repaired.

--- In mailto:fairchildclub%40yahoogroups.com, "tomk" wrote:
>
> Looking to gather all info available on rebuilding Horizontal stab.
>

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Posted: **Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:59 pm**

'Hi Tom
Can't tell you if some came on the bias, but the drawing puts grain direction parallel to the rear spar. That is how I fabricated mine and the skin conformed well without complaining too much at the tips. I added an extra rib in the area near the tip that usually shows skin distortion and it worked out well.

Rich Seifert

----- Original Message -----
From: tom kottre
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: Horizontal stab 24w

Thank you all for the good info on the stab. I have seen stabs with the ply. grane parallel and at the bias did they make them both ways?
Tom

________________________________
From: Robert Etter
To: "fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: Horizontal stab 24w

I finished my Horizontal Stab last year. One thing that I noticed that didn't seem right was the profile of the rear spar with all of the wood projected into place, didn't match the profile of the elevator. Especially in the vicinity of the outboard elevator hinge mounting point. 1/2-3/4" thinner.

Also, I was afraid that I would get the alignment of the spars wrong or getting the spacing wrong. After the spars were fabricated, I put the mounts the spars in place on the fuselage, drill the holes and bolted that all together. Again getting back the the alignment issues. I took some .020" galvanized steel and made some oversize "C" channels about 12" long by maybe 6" high, with about 1" 90 deg bend on the top and bottom for stiffness. Then I put a 90 X 1 1/2"degree tab on the end of 2 of them that tied into the rear bolts of the front mounts, I made 2 that were slightly smaller to put on therear spar. (the front & rear channels laid face to face) When I got the spars parallel, I drilled and bolted the "C" channels together. Then to make it all stay square and rigid, I put a plate across the top & Bottom of the C channels to a tight box. It worked out real good. When I was done with the building process, I could push the
front bolts almost all of the way the mounts with my thumb.

Isn't applying the top & bottom skin near the tips a lot of fun? I just love those compound curves.
Keeping the rear spar straight is a lot of fun.

Bob

________________________________
From: Richard Seifert
To: mailto:fairchildclub%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: Horizontal stab 24w

Hello Tom Kottre
I also am working on a F24W46 as are a number of other builders I've met. Several of us have fabricated new horizontal stabs. They are not easy to fabricate, but it can be done. If you can find a good original one grab it, but you will have look carefully for damage. The original parts are over 60 years old and the glue joints are a concern. Mine had termites which ate everything that was not soaked in oil, so I had no choice. Feel free to contact me if you have questions on your project.
Rich Seifert
mailto:seifertr%40verizon.net
909-790-1320

----- Original Message -----
From: tom kottre
To: mailto:fairchildclub%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: Horizontal stab 24w

Hi Tom,
My name is Tom as well. My basket case is a 24W46. I won the bid at the Alaska Aviation Musium so now I am starting another rebuild project. I would be very interested in all the suport your experiance can allow. As for the Stab Where are you located? And is it the same as mine?
Regards,
Tom

________________________________
From: Tom_Downey
To: mailto:fairchildclub%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 10:16 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Horizontal stab 24w

On which model?
I have a 24 stab and elevators that is yours for the shipping, it needs a small hole repaired.

--- In mailto:fairchildclub%40yahoogroups.com, "tomk" wrote:
>
> Looking to gather all info available on rebuilding Horizontal stab.
>

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Posted: **Sun Oct 28, 2012 6:51 pm**

'The stabilizer that I did, I won't say is the same as what I took apart. It is better. Not that I am good, but there was a few things that were done which weren't quality work. Everything is pretty much in the same place as the original, but everything was evenly spaced, tightly fitted, and no shims were used. The symetry of the spars, ribs, rib placement and last but not least the top & bottom skin. I can say that I did learn a little in the last 20 years. If the picture came through, you can see that my skin is the same as what I used on the leading edge of the wings.

I did enter the hole stabilizer in the computer, but most people won't have Delta Cad, so it won't be of much help. It is fairly cheap. It is put out by Midnight Software in Seattle WA. I also did the wing, N numbers, horizontal stab, Vert fin, door lock, and a bunch of other stuff. Knowing all of the angles & spacing sure helped when I was putting it all together

Bob

Bob

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From: tom kottre
To: "fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: Horizontal stab 24w

Thank you all for the good info on the stab. I have seen stabs with the ply. grane parallel and at the bias did they make them both ways?
Tom

________________________________
From: Robert Etter
To: "mailto:fairchildclub%40yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: Horizontal stab 24w

I finished my Horizontal Stab last year. One thing that I noticed that didn't seem right was the profile of the rear spar with all of the wood projected into place, didn't match the profile of the elevator. Especially in the vicinity of the outboard elevator hinge mounting point. 1/2-3/4" thinner.

Also, I was afraid that I would get the alignment of the spars wrong or getting the spacing wrong. After the spars were fabricated, I put the mounts the spars in place on the fuselage, drill the holes and bolted that all together. Again getting back the the alignment issues. I took some .020" galvanized steel and made some oversize "C" channels about 12" long by maybe 6" high, with about 1" 90 deg bend on the top and bottom for stiffness. Then I put a 90 X 1 1/2"degree tab on the end of 2 of them that tied into the rear bolts of the front mounts, I made 2 that were slightly smaller to put on therear spar. (the front & rear channels laid face to face) When I got the spars parallel, I drilled and bolted the "C" channels together. Then to make it all stay square and rigid, I put a plate across the top & Bottom of the C channels to a tight box. It worked out real good. When I was done with the building process, I could push the
front bolts almost all of the way the mounts with my thumb.

Isn't applying the top & bottom skin near the tips a lot of fun? I just love those compound curves.
Keeping the rear spar straight is a lot of fun.

Bob

________________________________
From: Richard Seifert
To: mailto:fairchildclub%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: Horizontal stab 24w

Hello Tom Kottre
I also am working on a F24W46 as are a number of other builders I've met. Several of us have fabricated new horizontal stabs. They are not easy to fabricate, but it can be done. If you can find a good original one grab it, but you will have look carefully for damage. The original parts are over 60 years old and the glue joints are a concern. Mine had termites which ate everything that was not soaked in oil, so I had no choice. Feel free to contact me if you have questions on your project.
Rich Seifert
mailto:seifertr%40verizon.net
909-790-1320

----- Original Message -----
From: tom kottre
To: mailto:fairchildclub%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: Horizontal stab 24w

Hi Tom,
My name is Tom as well. My basket case is a 24W46. I won the bid at the Alaska Aviation Musium so now I am starting another rebuild project. I would be very interested in all the suport your experiance can allow. As for the Stab Where are you located? And is it the same as mine?
Regards,
Tom

________________________________
From: Tom_Downey
To: mailto:fairchildclub%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 10:16 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Horizontal stab 24w

On which model?
I have a 24 stab and elevators that is yours for the shipping, it needs a small hole repaired.

--- In mailto:fairchildclub%40yahoogroups.com, "tomk" wrote:
>
> Looking to gather all info available on rebuilding Horizontal stab.
>

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