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Posted: **Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:46 pm**

'Is it worth my time and troubles to gain Parts Manufacturing Authority to build gear leg assemblies for the F-24?

Is there enough people needing them to make it worth while?'

Posted: **Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:55 pm**

'Why not build them one request as an "owner produced part"??

From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Tom_Downey
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 8:46 PM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fairchildclub] Parts Manufacturing Approval

Is it worth my time and troubles to gain Parts Manufacturing Authority to
build gear leg assemblies for the F-24?

Is there enough people needing them to make it worth while?

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Posted: **Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:57 pm**

'How would that help other owners to get the replacement parts they need?

If I must tool up to build mine, why not the the approval to build for others?

--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Cy Galley" wrote:
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> Why not build them one request as an "owner produced part"??
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> From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Tom_Downey
> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 8:46 PM
> To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [fairchildclub] Parts Manufacturing Approval
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> Is it worth my time and troubles to gain Parts Manufacturing Authority to
> build gear leg assemblies for the F-24?
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Posted: **Sat Oct 06, 2012 8:10 pm**

'Tom,

The FAA red tape will drown you.

You can build the gear legs by the thousands. Just don't complete the
welding to 100%. Have the owner finish the last 1 to 10 percent. It is not
an airworthy part. Owner provided.

JST

Jamie S. Treat
Aircraft Restoration & Repair, LLC
Fairchild Club CD ROM Editor
IAC 5, Chapter President
http://iac5.org
Kelly Airpark (CO15)
http://www.kellyairpark.com
24201 David C. Johnson Loop
Elbert, CO 80106

Hm/Hgr 303-648-0130
Cell 303-304-7937

Quote of the Month: I hope you either take up parachute jumping or stay out
of single motored airplanes at night. - Charles A. Lindbergh, to Wiley Post
1931

From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Tom_Downey
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 7:58 PM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Parts Manufacturing Approval

How would that help other owners to get the replacement parts they need?

If I must tool up to build mine, why not the the approval to build for
others?

--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
, "Cy Galley" wrote:

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> Why not build them one request as an "owner produced part"??
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> From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
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> On Behalf Of Tom_Downey
> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 8:46 PM
> To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: [fairchildclub] Parts Manufacturing Approval
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> Is it worth my time and troubles to gain Parts Manufacturing Authority to
> build gear leg assemblies for the F-24?
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Posted: **Sat Oct 06, 2012 8:13 pm**

'How would that work with the heat treating requirement?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jamie Treat
To: fairchildclub
Sent: Sat, Oct 6, 2012 7:10 pm
Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Re: Parts Manufacturing Approval

Tom,

The FAA red tape will drown you.

You can build the gear legs by the thousands. Just don't complete the
welding to 100%. Have the owner finish the last 1 to 10 percent. It is not
an airworthy part. Owner provided.

JST

Jamie S. Treat
Aircraft Restoration & Repair, LLC
Fairchild Club CD ROM Editor
IAC 5, Chapter President
http://iac5.org
Kelly Airpark (CO15)
http://www.kellyairpark.com
24201 David C. Johnson Loop
Elbert, CO 80106

Hm/Hgr 303-648-0130
Cell 303-304-7937

Quote of the Month: I hope you either take up parachute jumping or stay out
of single motored airplanes at night. - Charles A. Lindbergh, to Wiley Post
1931

From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Tom_Downey
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 7:58 PM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Parts Manufacturing Approval

How would that help other owners to get the replacement parts they need?

If I must tool up to build mine, why not the the approval to build for
others?

--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
; , "Cy Galley" wrote:

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> Why not build them one request as an "owner produced part"??
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> From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com

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> On Behalf Of Tom_Downey
> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 8:46 PM
> To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com ;

> Subject: [fairchildclub] Parts Manufacturing Approval
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> Is it worth my time and troubles to gain Parts Manufacturing Authority to
> build gear leg assemblies for the F-24?
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Posted: **Sat Oct 06, 2012 8:15 pm**

'I don't know how many are looking for gear so I can't say if its worth your while but why not go for a STC and think of ways to improve on the original design.

Jim Higham
F24R46A
N81207

On Oct 6, 2012, at 8:57 PM, "Tom_Downey" wrote:

> How would that help other owners to get the replacement parts they need?
>
> If I must tool up to build mine, why not the the approval to build for others?
>
> --- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Cy Galley" wrote:
> >
> > Why not build them one request as an "owner produced part"??
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> > From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of Tom_Downey
> > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 8:46 PM
> > To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [fairchildclub] Parts Manufacturing Approval
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> > Is it worth my time and troubles to gain Parts Manufacturing Authority to
> > build gear leg assemblies for the F-24?
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> > Is there enough people needing them to make it worth while?
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Posted: **Sat Oct 06, 2012 8:26 pm**

'That is how WAG Aero does it. They make the owner finish the product.

Joe

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 6, 2012, at 22:10, "Jamie Treat" wrote:

> Tom,

>

> The FAA red tape will drown you.

>

> You can build the gear legs by the thousands. Just don't complete the

> welding to 100%. Have the owner finish the last 1 to 10 percent. It is not

> an airworthy part. Owner provided.

>

> JST

>

> Jamie S. Treat

> Aircraft Restoration & Repair, LLC

> Fairchild Club CD ROM Editor

> IAC 5, Chapter President

> http://iac5.org

> Kelly Airpark (CO15)

> http://www.kellyairpark.com

> 24201 David C. Johnson Loop

> Elbert, CO 80106

>

> Hm/Hgr 303-648-0130

> Cell 303-304-7937

>

> Quote of the Month: I hope you either take up parachute jumping or stay out

> of single motored airplanes at night. - Charles A. Lindbergh, to Wiley Post

> 1931

>

> From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]

> On Behalf Of Tom_Downey

> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 7:58 PM

> To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Parts Manufacturing Approval

>

> How would that help other owners to get the replacement parts they need?

>

> If I must tool up to build mine, why not the the approval to build for

> others?

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> --- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com

> , "Cy Galley" wrote:

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> > Why not build them one request as an "owner produced part"??

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> > From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com

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> [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com

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> > On Behalf Of Tom_Downey

> > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 8:46 PM

> > To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com

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> > Subject: [fairchildclub] Parts Manufacturing Approval

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> > Is it worth my time and troubles to gain Parts Manufacturing Authority to

> > build gear leg assemblies for the F-24?

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> > Is there enough people needing them to make it worth while?

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Posted: **Sat Oct 06, 2012 8:59 pm**

'The Process to gain PMA for these doesn't seem to be that big of a deal. it's all done on FAA order 8110-42C

--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Jamie Treat" wrote:
>
> Tom,
>
>
>
> The FAA red tape will drown you.
>
>
>
> You can build the gear legs by the thousands. Just don't complete the
> welding to 100%. Have the owner finish the last 1 to 10 percent. It is not
> an airworthy part. Owner provided.
>
>
>
> JST
>
>
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>
> Jamie S. Treat
> Aircraft Restoration & Repair, LLC
> Fairchild Club CD ROM Editor
> IAC 5, Chapter President
> http://iac5.org
> Kelly Airpark (CO15)
> http://www.kellyairpark.com
> 24201 David C. Johnson Loop
> Elbert, CO 80106
>
>
>
> Hm/Hgr 303-648-0130
> Cell 303-304-7937
>
>
>
> Quote of the Month: I hope you either take up parachute jumping or stay out
> of single motored airplanes at night. - Charles A. Lindbergh, to Wiley Post
> 1931
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> From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Tom_Downey
> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 7:58 PM
> To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Parts Manufacturing Approval
>
>
>
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> How would that help other owners to get the replacement parts they need?
>
> If I must tool up to build mine, why not the the approval to build for
> others?
>
> --- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> , "Cy Galley" wrote:
> >
> > Why not build them one request as an "owner produced part"??
> >
> >
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> > From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
>
> [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> ]
> > On Behalf Of Tom_Downey
> > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 8:46 PM
> > To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
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> > Subject: [fairchildclub] Parts Manufacturing Approval
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> > Is it worth my time and troubles to gain Parts Manufacturing Authority to
> > build gear leg assemblies for the F-24?
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> > Is there enough people needing them to make it worth while?
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Posted: **Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:04 pm**

'Jim simply because the engineering and testing of the new data is a real PITA. STC's are new engineering.
To build replacement parts adhering to old data is an easier route at MITO.
all you need to show is the blue print and the ability to do it the way it was completed by the manufacturer.

Should be easy to do.

--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, Jim wrote:
>
> I don't know how many are looking for gear so I can't say if its worth your while but why not go for a STC and think of ways to improve on the original design.
>
> Jim Higham
> F24R46A
> N81207
>
> On Oct 6, 2012, at 8:57 PM, "Tom_Downey" wrote:
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> > How would that help other owners to get the replacement parts they need?
> >
> > If I must tool up to build mine, why not the the approval to build for others?
> >
> > --- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Cy Galley" wrote:
> > >
> > > Why not build them one request as an "owner produced part"??
> > >
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> > > From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]
> > > On Behalf Of Tom_Downey
> > > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 8:46 PM
> > > To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [fairchildclub] Parts Manufacturing Approval
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> > > Is it worth my time and troubles to gain Parts Manufacturing Authority to
> > > build gear leg assemblies for the F-24?
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> > > Is there enough people needing them to make it worth while?
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Posted: **Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:22 pm**

'Understand, I've been down the road for STCs before. I was thinking the engineering has been completed for you, with some minor changes you could probably use a existing PMA'd axle, also the welding process could be updated. I do know at least one DERs who might be willing to help.

Jim Higham
F24R46A
N81207

On Oct 6, 2012, at 10:04 PM, "Tom_Downey" wrote:

> Jim simply because the engineering and testing of the new data is a real PITA. STC's are new engineering.
> To build replacement parts adhering to old data is an easier route at MITO.
> all you need to show is the blue print and the ability to do it the way it was completed by the manufacturer.
>
> Should be easy to do.
>
> --- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, Jim wrote:
> >
> > I don't know how many are looking for gear so I can't say if its worth your while but why not go for a STC and think of ways to improve on the original design.
> >
> > Jim Higham
> > F24R46A
> > N81207
> >
> > On Oct 6, 2012, at 8:57 PM, "Tom_Downey" wrote:
> >
> > > How would that help other owners to get the replacement parts they need?
> > >
> > > If I must tool up to build mine, why not the the approval to build for others?
> > >
> > > --- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Cy Galley" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Why not build them one request as an "owner produced part"??
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]
> > > > On Behalf Of Tom_Downey
> > > > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 8:46 PM
> > > > To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [fairchildclub] Parts Manufacturing Approval
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> > > > Is it worth my time and troubles to gain Parts Manufacturing Authority to
> > > > build gear leg assemblies for the F-24?
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> > > > Is there enough people needing them to make it worth while?
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