Fairchild Club Forum

Posted: **Wed Jul 14, 2010 6:26 pm**

'Need info fast! Just installing a fresh engine from a well-known shop. The Warner 145 originally had the plugs that were contained within the Breeze (?) bell type shields with bails. The shop installed Skytronics harness and REM40E plugs. Great, modern. However, they don't fit very well. At all. Either front or back. In back, too close to exhaust manifold. In front there is actually interference with the ring cowl on the F-24G, barely 1/8" clearance. We tried some NOS C-26S plugs, and that helped a bit. Overhauler says this has never come up before, but geometry is what it is.

Can anyone out there shed light on this? What plugs are used on the 24G's with the 145? Been through it with this plane, just trying like heck to get it back in the air.Everything else coming together, but trying to make OSH.

Thanks in advance.

Bill McClure'

Posted: **Wed Jul 14, 2010 7:00 pm**

'Just got home from the hangar....when I go back again I'll check the plugs
on my 145. 195 annual is done and test flew this afternoon...OSH here we
come!
Richard

In a message dated 7/14/2010 6:26:38 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
burnmcc@aol.com writes:

Need info fast! Just installing a fresh engine from a well-known shop. The
Warner 145 originally had the plugs that were contained within the Breeze
(?) bell type shields with bails. The shop installed Skytronics harness and
REM40E plugs. Great, modern. However, they don't fit very well. At all.
Either front or back. In back, too close to exhaust manifold. In front there
is actually interference with the ring cowl on the F-24G, barely 1/8"
clearance. We tried some NOS C-26S plugs, and that helped a bit. Overhauler says
this has never come up before, but geometry is what it is.

Can anyone out there shed light on this? What plugs are used on the 24G's
with the 145? Been through it with this plane, just trying like heck to get
it back in the air.Everything else coming together, but trying to make
OSH.

Thanks in advance.

Bill McClure

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Posted: **Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:21 pm**

'Thanks Richard. I am desperately trying to get F-24 ready. Spent 9 days in MEM installing the engine. Nothing went smoothly. Last issue: Plugs.

I will call you tomorrow. I have another question, too.

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: OldOOwl@aol.com
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:59 pm
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Warner 145 Spark Plugs

Just got home from the hangar....when I go back again I'll check the plugs
on my 145. 195 annual is done and test flew this afternoon...OSH here we
come!
Richard

In a message dated 7/14/2010 6:26:38 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
burnmcc@aol.com writes:

Need info fast! Just installing a fresh engine from a well-known shop. The
Warner 145 originally had the plugs that were contained within the Breeze
(?) bell type shields with bails. The shop installed Skytronics harness and
REM40E plugs. Great, modern. However, they don't fit very well. At all.
Either front or back. In back, too close to exhaust manifold. In front there
is actually interference with the ring cowl on the F-24G, barely 1/8"
clearance. We tried some NOS C-26S plugs, and that helped a bit. Overhauler says
this has never come up before, but geometry is what it is.

Can anyone out there shed light on this? What plugs are used on the 24G's
with the 145? Been through it with this plane, just trying like heck to get
it back in the air.Everything else coming together, but trying to make
OSH.

Thanks in advance.

Bill McClure

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Posted: **Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:58 pm**

'Bill;
We run two setups on two F24 C8Es with Warner 145s, one with original Breeze shielding utilizing 7mm unshielded wires and Champion C-26 plugs (plug top req. small amount removed for breeze cap to mate). The cap bails are close to the inside lip of the cowl lip but no interference. The second C8E runs shielded wires and BG 417S shielded plugs (length 2 3/4 in). The BG plugs may have an equivalent such as 3B2-S (length 2-1/2 in.). These are old plugs but you or someone may have access. Hopefully this is helpful. Good luck.

Geoff Guest

----- Original Message -----
From: mcclurebill@rocketmail.com
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 5:22 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Warner 145 Spark Plugs

Need info fast! Just installing a fresh engine from a well-known shop. The Warner 145 originally had the plugs that were contained within the Breeze (?) bell type shields with bails. The shop installed Skytronics harness and REM40E plugs. Great, modern. However, they don't fit very well. At all. Either front or back. In back, too close to exhaust manifold. In front there is actually interference with the ring cowl on the F-24G, barely 1/8" clearance. We tried some NOS C-26S plugs, and that helped a bit. Overhauler says this has never come up before, but geometry is what it is.

Can anyone out there shed light on this? What plugs are used on the 24G's with the 145? Been through it with this plane, just trying like heck to get it back in the air.Everything else coming together, but trying to make OSH.

Thanks in advance.

Bill McClure

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Posted: **Thu Jul 15, 2010 3:36 am**

'Not sure what you need. If it is the BG plugs with the brass ball on the end, I have some NOS. I will get the exect number if that is what your looking for. Unshielded.

Gene Haines

-----Original Message-----
From: Geoff Guest
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:31 pm
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Warner 145 Spark Plugs

Bill;
We run two setups on two F24 C8Es with Warner 145s, one with original Breeze shielding utilizing 7mm unshielded wires and Champion C-26 plugs (plug top req. small amount removed for breeze cap to mate). The cap bails are close to the inside lip of the cowl lip but no interference. The second C8E runs shielded wires and BG 417S shielded plugs (length 2 3/4 in). The BG plugs may have an equivalent such as 3B2-S (length 2-1/2 in.). These are old plugs but you or someone may have access. Hopefully this is helpful. Good luck.

Geoff Guest

----- Original Message -----
From: mcclurebill@rocketmail.com
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 5:22 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Warner 145 Spark Plugs

Need info fast! Just installing a fresh engine from a well-known shop. The Warner 145 originally had the plugs that were contained within the Breeze (?) bell type shields with bails. The shop installed Skytronics harness and REM40E plugs. Great, modern. However, they don't fit very well. At all. Either front or back. In back, too close to exhaust manifold. In front there is actually interference with the ring cowl on the F-24G, barely 1/8" clearance. We tried some NOS C-26S plugs, and that helped a bit. Overhauler says this has never come up before, but geometry is what it is.

Can anyone out there shed light on this? What plugs are used on the 24G's with the 145? Been through it with this plane, just trying like heck to get it back in the air.Everything else coming together, but trying to make OSH.

Thanks in advance.

Bill McClure

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Posted: **Thu Jul 15, 2010 7:42 am**

'That's just the info I needed! Many thanks to those who replied. Now.... anyone have an idea where I could find the BG 417S or 3B2S plugs??

Wonderful to have this forum.....

Bill McClure

--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Geoff Guest" wrote:
>
> Bill;
> We run two setups on two F24 C8Es with Warner 145s, one with original Breeze shielding utilizing 7mm unshielded wires and Champion C-26 plugs (plug top req. small amount removed for breeze cap to mate). The cap bails are close to the inside lip of the cowl lip but no interference. The second C8E runs shielded wires and BG 417S shielded plugs (length 2 3/4 in). The BG plugs may have an equivalent such as 3B2-S (length 2-1/2 in.). These are old plugs but you or someone may have access. Hopefully this is helpful. Good luck.
>
> Geoff Guest
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: mcclurebill@...
> To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 5:22 PM
> Subject: [fairchildclub] Warner 145 Spark Plugs
>
>
>
> Need info fast! Just installing a fresh engine from a well-known shop. The Warner 145 originally had the plugs that were contained within the Breeze (?) bell type shields with bails. The shop installed Skytronics harness and REM40E plugs. Great, modern. However, they don't fit very well. At all. Either front or back. In back, too close to exhaust manifold. In front there is actually interference with the ring cowl on the F-24G, barely 1/8" clearance. We tried some NOS C-26S plugs, and that helped a bit. Overhauler says this has never come up before, but geometry is what it is.
>
> Can anyone out there shed light on this? What plugs are used on the 24G's with the 145? Been through it with this plane, just trying like heck to get it back in the air.Everything else coming together, but trying to make OSH.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Bill McClure
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Posted: **Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:30 am**

'Bill, there's a lad called the Plug Guy. http://www.plugguy.com/
Might be worth a chance....he's quite knowledgeable.

David Stroud Ottawa, Canada
Christavia C-FDWS
Fairchild 51 replica
under construction C-FYXV

----- Original Message -----
From: mcclurebill@rocketmail.com
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 9:41 AM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Warner 145 Spark Plugs

That's just the info I needed! Many thanks to those who replied. Now.... anyone have an idea where I could find the BG 417S or 3B2S plugs??

Wonderful to have this forum.....

Bill McClure

--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Geoff Guest" wrote:
>
> Bill;
> We run two setups on two F24 C8Es with Warner 145s, one with original Breeze shielding utilizing 7mm unshielded wires and Champion C-26 plugs (plug top req. small amount removed for breeze cap to mate). The cap bails are close to the inside lip of the cowl lip but no interference. The second C8E runs shielded wires and BG 417S shielded plugs (length 2 3/4 in). The BG plugs may have an equivalent such as 3B2-S (length 2-1/2 in.). These are old plugs but you or someone may have access. Hopefully this is helpful. Good luck.
>
> Geoff Guest
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: mcclurebill@...
> To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 5:22 PM
> Subject: [fairchildclub] Warner 145 Spark Plugs
>
>
>
> Need info fast! Just installing a fresh engine from a well-known shop. The Warner 145 originally had the plugs that were contained within the Breeze (?) bell type shields with bails. The shop installed Skytronics harness and REM40E plugs. Great, modern. However, they don't fit very well. At all. Either front or back. In back, too close to exhaust manifold. In front there is actually interference with the ring cowl on the F-24G, barely 1/8" clearance. We tried some NOS C-26S plugs, and that helped a bit. Overhauler says this has never come up before, but geometry is what it is.
>
> Can anyone out there shed light on this? What plugs are used on the 24G's with the 145? Been through it with this plane, just trying like heck to get it back in the air.Everything else coming together, but trying to make OSH.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Bill McClure
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Posted: **Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:26 pm**

'The lengths you mention.....is that length over all or from the top of the threaded portion (gasket area) to top of the plug?

Thanks.

Bill McC

--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Geoff Guest" wrote:
>
> Bill;
> We run two setups on two F24 C8Es with Warner 145s, one with original Breeze shielding utilizing 7mm unshielded wires and Champion C-26 plugs (plug top req. small amount removed for breeze cap to mate). The cap bails are close to the inside lip of the cowl lip but no interference. The second C8E runs shielded wires and BG 417S shielded plugs (length 2 3/4 in). The BG plugs may have an equivalent such as 3B2-S (length 2-1/2 in.). These are old plugs but you or someone may have access. Hopefully this is helpful. Good luck.
>
> Geoff Guest
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: mcclurebill@...
> To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 5:22 PM
> Subject: [fairchildclub] Warner 145 Spark Plugs
>
>
>
> Need info fast! Just installing a fresh engine from a well-known shop. The Warner 145 originally had the plugs that were contained within the Breeze (?) bell type shields with bails. The shop installed Skytronics harness and REM40E plugs. Great, modern. However, they don't fit very well. At all. Either front or back. In back, too close to exhaust manifold. In front there is actually interference with the ring cowl on the F-24G, barely 1/8" clearance. We tried some NOS C-26S plugs, and that helped a bit. Overhauler says this has never come up before, but geometry is what it is.
>
> Can anyone out there shed light on this? What plugs are used on the 24G's with the 145? Been through it with this plane, just trying like heck to get it back in the air.Everything else coming together, but trying to make OSH.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Bill McClure
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2010 9:26 am**

'Bill,
I have 2 sets of plugs for your aircraft, one set is BG-706-S and the other set is C-26-S both measure 2.5 inches from the gasket to the top of the plug. they both have about 50 hours on them. and ran fine in my 165.

call me, AREA Code 360-202-0961, I'll be on cell all day.

--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "mcclurebill@..." wrote:
>
> The lengths you mention.....is that length over all or from the top of the threaded portion (gasket area) to top of the plug?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Bill McC

'

Posted: **Sat Jul 17, 2010 7:15 am**

'We have some NOS B.G. SU-485 Spark Plugs available for sale. We have no idea if these spark plugs are the correct plugs for the Warner.

Gene Haines

-----Original Message-----
From: mcclurebill@rocketmail.com
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Jul 15, 2010 3:18 pm
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Warner 145 Spark Plugs

The lengths you mention.....is that length over all or from the top of the threaded portion (gasket area) to top of the plug?

Thanks.

Bill McC

--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Geoff Guest" wrote:
>
> Bill;
> We run two setups on two F24 C8Es with Warner 145s, one with original Breeze shielding utilizing 7mm unshielded wires and Champion C-26 plugs (plug top req. small amount removed for breeze cap to mate). The cap bails are close to the inside lip of the cowl lip but no interference. The second C8E runs shielded wires and BG 417S shielded plugs (length 2 3/4 in). The BG plugs may have an equivalent such as 3B2-S (length 2-1/2 in.). These are old plugs but you or someone may have access. Hopefully this is helpful. Good luck.
>
> Geoff Guest
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: mcclurebill@...
> To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 5:22 PM
> Subject: [fairchildclub] Warner 145 Spark Plugs
>
>
>
> Need info fast! Just installing a fresh engine from a well-known shop. The Warner 145 originally had the plugs that were contained within the Breeze (?) bell type shields with bails. The shop installed Skytronics harness and REM40E plugs. Great, modern. However, they don't fit very well. At all. Either front or back. In back, too close to exhaust manifold. In front there is actually interference with the ring cowl on the F-24G, barely 1/8" clearance. We tried some NOS C-26S plugs, and that helped a bit. Overhauler says this has never come up before, but geometry is what it is.
>
> Can anyone out there shed light on this? What plugs are used on the 24G's with the 145? Been through it with this plane, just trying like heck to get it back in the air.Everything else coming together, but trying to make OSH.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Bill McClure
>
>
>
>
>
>
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