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'This may raise some ire but what an amazing deal. Unlike misrepresenting a car that potentially leaves the buyer at the side of the road. Boldly misrepresenting the condition of an airplane has the potential to kill someone. I have now looked at Five (5) F 24 W's two of which failed prebuy--one that on close inspection of the logs had only been annualed four (4) times in twelve (12) years. And the current annual was so misrepresented that the A & P should lose his license for signing off on things he hadn't even taken the coverings off to see the item. The SMOH rebuild had a stamp but NO notations of any kind for the rebuild in 1984----the owner of this plane is the president of his states "Historic Plane Society". The next because of emron cracks in the 30 year old fabric paint that wasn't done that long ago....log book--fabric 30 years ago--painted in 1984. The A & P today on another plane that is representing "Kind Of" the family told me that the plane's engine (SS 165) had 1218 hrs SMOH but that "I might be able to get another 1000 hrs out of it before I'd have to rebuild it"----That's 1000 NOT 100!!! PLEASE anyone that has gotten 2200 hrs out of a Warner before rebuild TELL US HOW!! Another went on and on about it being a grand champion in the early 80's like it was yesterday. That it is WELL Maintained but hasn't flown for two years. We all know that Warner radials like to rest for a few years because they run better when you "Wake Them Up". Another guys wants a ton of money for a restored plane that has an "Experimental" classification but the emails stopped from him when I asked why it ended up with that classification??? Older Guys-just because we're younger does not mean we are stupid--this kind of misrepresentation could kill someone. We know you love/loved your planes some of us would like to buy one but the above isn't right! mf'

'This has been said before: you should really look at Tom Downey's 24G.
A new, frame up restoration by a master craftsman, all documented on
his web site. You get what you pay for.

On Jan 29, 2010, at 6:59 PM, p63bentley wrote:

> This may raise some ire but what an amazing deal. Unlike
> misrepresenting a car that potentially leaves the buyer at the side
> of the road. Boldly misrepresenting the condition of an airplane has
> the potential to kill someone. I have now looked at Five (5) F 24
> W's two of which failed prebuy--one that on close inspection of the
> logs had only been annualed four (4) times in twelve (12) years. And
> the current annual was so misrepresented that the A & P should lose
> his license for signing off on things he hadn't even taken the
> coverings off to see the item. The SMOH rebuild had a stamp but NO
> notations of any kind for the rebuild in 1984----the owner of this
> plane is the president of his states "Historic Plane Society". The
> next because of emron cracks in the 30 year old fabric paint that
> wasn't done that long ago....log book--fabric 30 years ago--painted
> in 1984. The A & P today on another plane that is representing "Kind
> Of" the family told me that the plane's engine (SS 165) had 1218 hrs
> SMOH but that "I might be able to get another 1000 hrs out of it
> before I'd have to rebuild it"----That's 1000 NOT 100!!! PLEASE
> anyone that has gotten 2200 hrs out of a Warner before rebuild TELL
> US HOW!! Another went on and on about it being a grand champion in
> the early 80's like it was yesterday. That it is WELL Maintained but
> hasn't flown for two years. We all know that Warner radials like to
> rest for a few years because they run better when you "Wake Them
> Up". Another guys wants a ton of money for a restored plane that has
> an "Experimental" classification but the emails stopped from him
> when I asked why it ended up with that classification??? Older Guys-
> just because we're younger does not mean we are stupid--this kind of
> misrepresentation could kill someone. We know you love/loved your
> planes some of us would like to buy one but the above isn't right! mf
>
>
>

Dan Casali
MacWizard
Box 1286 Ketchum, ID 83340
208.726.5120



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'Well Dan, my aircraft has only been annulled once in ten years, the engine TT is Unknown, And my aircraft is what you see today, nothing more nothing less. It is not a completely original F-24 it has many modifications because it was built to fly safetly in today Airspace.

I have a few things still to complete, like the silver stripe on the Fuselage, and to trim out the interior, and finish putting the heater in, but it fly's great, looks good, and its a blast to fly.

It is for sale, and advertised in Barnstormers at $70k

If you want a brand new aircraft for 50K I'm thinking you are on a useless hunt.

Your aircraft is the reason I'm offering this aircraft as is, where is, simply because these old birds can crap on you any time they want.

> This has been said before: you should really look at Tom Downey's 24G. A new, frame up restoration by a master craftsman, all documented on his web site. You get what you pay for.
> Dan Casali
> MacWizard
> Box 1286 Ketchum, ID 83340
> 208.726.5120

'

'I congratulate you on your diligence in drilling down to the truth in your search for a worthy aircraft.  But don't,under any circumstances,pigeon hole us older guys as a group who take short cuts to preserve/misrepresent our beloved aircraft. We have worked to preserve history in what we have and take great pride in our accomplishments.  Personally, I have spent the last eight and a half years in restoring my Fairchild.  And like the majority of us,everything is well documented,up to date and will be checked thoroughly by our A&P's and IA's that share the hanger before it rolls out for its first flight.Too bad there are a few who became misguided in their representation of what they have.  Yes, it did raise "some ire".
 
Bob Coon
UC-61K (1943 F24R46)
Keem em' flyin
 



 

From: p63bentley
Subject: [fairchildclub] Five F 24 W's in Different parts of the US Same Story
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 29, 2010, 7:59 PM


 



This may raise some ire but what an amazing deal. Unlike misrepresenting a car that potentially leaves the buyer at the side of the road. Boldly misrepresenting the condition of an airplane has the potential to kill someone. I have now looked at Five (5) F 24 W's two of which failed prebuy--one that on close inspection of the logs had only been annualed four (4) times in twelve (12) years. And the current annual was so misrepresented that the A & P should lose his license for signing off on things he hadn't even taken the coverings off to see the item. The SMOH rebuild had a stamp but NO notations of any kind for the rebuild in 1984----the owner of this plane is the president of his states "Historic Plane Society". The next because of emron cracks in the 30 year old fabric paint that wasn't done that long ago....log book--fabric 30 years ago--painted in 1984. The A & P today on another plane that is representing "Kind Of" the family told me that the
plane's engine (SS 165) had 1218 hrs SMOH but that "I might be able to get another 1000 hrs out of it before I'd have to rebuild it"----That' s 1000 NOT 100!!! PLEASE anyone that has gotten 2200 hrs out of a Warner before rebuild TELL US HOW!! Another went on and on about it being a grand champion in the early 80's like it was yesterday. That it is WELL Maintained but hasn't flown for two years. We all know that Warner radials like to rest for a few years because they run better when you "Wake Them Up". Another guys wants a ton of money for a restored plane that has an "Experimental" classification but the emails stopped from him when I asked why it ended up with that classification? ?? Older Guys-just because we're younger does not mean we are stupid--this kind of misrepresentation could kill someone. We know you love/loved your planes some of us would like to buy one but the above isn't right! mf








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