Fairchild Club Forum

Posted: **Sun Jan 24, 2010 2:00 pm**

'Does anyone have information or copies of previously approved 337's on adding shoulder harness's to the pilot and copilot seats? I would like to understand what belt and harness combination has been succesful and what was used as the attach point. I haven't had much luck locating STC's for the F24 yet on this subject. Thanks, Steve'

Posted: **Sun Jan 24, 2010 2:38 pm**

'Somewhere along the line, the FAA got some sense and made it simple for installing safety items such as shoulder harnesses. All it needs is an A&Ps signature in the log with certain limitations as to the installation. No cutting drilling and that sort of thing.

I am not at my home now, so I don't have access to this info but all I did was wrap the shoulder harness straps around the large tube going across the top of fuselage behind the front seat and tied them with a good wrap knot and slit the fabric covering the cross tube for the straps to go through.

It appears to work fine and is a solid structure to attach it to.

Bob Webster

----- Original Message -----
From: Steve
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 1:59 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Shoulder Harness mod for Fairchild 24R

Does anyone have information or copies of previously approved 337's on adding shoulder harness's to the pilot and copilot seats? I would like to understand what belt and harness combination has been succesful and what was used as the attach point. I haven't had much luck locating STC's for the F24 yet on this subject. Thanks, Steve

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Posted: **Sun Jan 24, 2010 3:06 pm**

'Thanks for the response Bob. I did find the AC that covers this, AC 21-34. I am an IA, but wanted to see what others were using; harness type, installation details, etc, from previous installations. Thanks for the input. I'll remove the cover from the cross over tube (overhead) and see what kind of installation I can fiure out. Thanks again.

Steve

--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Webster" wrote:
>
> Somewhere along the line, the FAA got some sense and made it simple for installing safety items such as shoulder harnesses. All it needs is an A&Ps signature in the log with certain limitations as to the installation. No cutting drilling and that sort of thing.
>
> I am not at my home now, so I don't have access to this info but all I did was wrap the shoulder harness straps around the large tube going across the top of fuselage behind the front seat and tied them with a good wrap knot and slit the fabric covering the cross tube for the straps to go through.
>
> It appears to work fine and is a solid structure to attach it to.
>
> Bob Webster
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Steve
> To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 1:59 PM
> Subject: [fairchildclub] Shoulder Harness mod for Fairchild 24R
>
>
>
> Does anyone have information or copies of previously approved 337's on adding shoulder harness's to the pilot and copilot seats? I would like to understand what belt and harness combination has been succesful and what was used as the attach point. I haven't had much luck locating STC's for the F24 yet on this subject. Thanks, Steve
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Posted: **Sun Jan 24, 2010 3:27 pm**

'but! Why a shoulder harness in a F24R????

Airy

To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
From: smquick.f24r46@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:01:49 +0000
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Shoulder Harness mod for Fairchild 24R

Thanks for the response Bob. I did find the AC that covers this, AC 21-34. I am an IA, but wanted to see what others were using; harness type, installation details, etc, from previous installations. Thanks for the input. I'll remove the cover from the cross over tube (overhead) and see what kind of installation I can fiure out. Thanks again.

Steve

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Posted: **Sun Jan 24, 2010 4:24 pm**

'You don't need a 337 nor an STC! look at your AC 21-34

Cy Galley - Chair, AirVenture Emergency Aircraft Repair
A service project of EAA Chapter 75 since 1963
www.eaa75.com

----- Original Message -----
From: Steve
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 1:59 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Shoulder Harness mod for Fairchild 24R

Does anyone have information or copies of previously approved 337's on adding shoulder harness's to the pilot and copilot seats? I would like to understand what belt and harness combination has been succesful and what was used as the attach point. I haven't had much luck locating STC's for the F24 yet on this subject. Thanks, Steve

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Posted: **Sun Jan 24, 2010 4:26 pm**

'but do you use orginal seats with such shoulder harness??

otherwise I will find such arrangement quite dangerous...no?

Airy

To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
From: cgalley@mchsi.com
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:24:29 -0600
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Shoulder Harness mod for Fairchild 24R

You don't need a 337 nor an STC! look at your AC 21-34

Cy Galley - Chair, AirVenture Emergency Aircraft Repair
A service project of EAA Chapter 75 since 1963
www.eaa75.com

----- Original Message -----
From: Steve
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 1:59 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Shoulder Harness mod for Fairchild 24R

Does anyone have information or copies of previously approved 337's on adding shoulder harness's to the pilot and copilot seats? I would like to understand what belt and harness combination has been succesful and what was used as the attach point. I haven't had much luck locating STC's for the F24 yet on this subject. Thanks, Steve

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Posted: **Sun Jan 24, 2010 5:36 pm**

'I guess I don't understand the problem. The tube is probably something to
do with the wing spars and as I remember it is over an inch diameter. The
seats don't enter into it. I got the harnesses from Spruce and they fit
onto the stock seat belts with no problem.

RRW

----- Original Message -----
From: "Airy Millet"
To: "fairchildlist"
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 4:25 PM
Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Shoulder Harness mod for Fairchild 24R

but do you use orginal seats with such shoulder harness??

otherwise I will find such arrangement quite dangerous...no?

Airy

To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
From: cgalley@mchsi.com
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:24:29 -0600
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Shoulder Harness mod for Fairchild 24R

You don't need a 337 nor an STC! look at your AC 21-34

Cy Galley - Chair, AirVenture Emergency Aircraft Repair
A service project of EAA Chapter 75 since 1963
www.eaa75.com

----- Original Message -----
From: Steve
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 1:59 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Shoulder Harness mod for Fairchild 24R

Does anyone have information or copies of previously approved 337's on
adding shoulder harness's to the pilot and copilot seats? I would like to
understand what belt and harness combination has been succesful and what was
used as the attach point. I haven't had much luck locating STC's for the F24
yet on this subject. Thanks, Steve

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Posted: **Sun Jan 24, 2010 5:49 pm**

'I understand that a shoulder harness could fit within the plane!

But I am questionning myself on the way it would work in case of crash!

What part of the plane will bend, where the harness fixture is, the seat back may not injure you or even the belt itself? etc etc...

Apart aerobatic aircraft I don't really feel the need of shoulder harness... even on some "utility" plane I flew I found it was quite dangerous, having a seat smaller than the height of you body, and having shoulder harness fixture on the rear seats' belts fisture!! (Seats back being too short, the top of it may injury your vertebral column)....

The F24R we fly here in France is a UC-61K (argus III), and I think I am going to look deeper in the original documents if there was shoulder harness or not in the USAAF/RAF versions!!

Airy

To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
From: bob-jewell@earthlink.net
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:35:50 -0600
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Shoulder Harness mod for Fairchild 24R

I guess I don't understand the problem. The tube is probably something to
do with the wing spars and as I remember it is over an inch diameter. The
seats don't enter into it. I got the harnesses from Spruce and they fit
onto the stock seat belts with no problem.

RRW

----- Original Message -----
From: "Airy Millet"
To: "fairchildlist"
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 4:25 PM
Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Shoulder Harness mod for Fairchild 24R

but do you use orginal seats with such shoulder harness??

otherwise I will find such arrangement quite dangerous...no?

Airy

To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
From: cgalley@mchsi.com
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:24:29 -0600
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Shoulder Harness mod for Fairchild 24R

You don't need a 337 nor an STC! look at your AC 21-34

Cy Galley - Chair, AirVenture Emergency Aircraft Repair
A service project of EAA Chapter 75 since 1963
www.eaa75.com

----- Original Message -----
From: Steve
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 1:59 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Shoulder Harness mod for Fairchild 24R

Does anyone have information or copies of previously approved 337's on
adding shoulder harness's to the pilot and copilot seats? I would like to
understand what belt and harness combination has been succesful and what was
used as the attach point. I haven't had much luck locating STC's for the F24
yet on this subject. Thanks, Steve

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Posted: **Sun Jan 24, 2010 6:26 pm**

'I am of the school that any shoulder harness is better than none. The FAA publications mentioned will show how to install properly. Almost any of these antiques are attaching around wing carry thru structures. If it is strong enough to carry those loads, your shoulder will break before the structure. Face hard into instrument panel is hard to recover from. You won't be as pretty as before. I have friends who lived through long rehabilitations with accidents like this. Install shoulder harnesses in everything you fly. You never know how and where you might end up. I have installed thesein Staggerwings, Aeroncas, Barons, Bonanzas, etc.

Bill McClure

--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, Airy Millet wrote:
>
>
> I understand that a shoulder harness could fit within the plane!
>
> But I am questionning myself on the way it would work in case of crash!
>
> What part of the plane will bend, where the harness fixture is, the seat back may not injure you or even the belt itself? etc etc...
>
>
>
> Apart aerobatic aircraft I don't really feel the need of shoulder harness... even on some "utility" plane I flew I found it was quite dangerous, having a seat smaller than the height of you body, and having shoulder harness fixture on the rear seats' belts fisture!! (Seats back being too short, the top of it may injury your vertebral column)....
>
>
>
> The F24R we fly here in France is a UC-61K (argus III), and I think I am going to look deeper in the original documents if there was shoulder harness or not in the USAAF/RAF versions!!
>
>
>
>
>
> Airy
>
>
>
> To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> From: bob-jewell@...
> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:35:50 -0600
> Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Shoulder Harness mod for Fairchild 24R
>
>
>
>
>
> I guess I don't understand the problem. The tube is probably something to
> do with the wing spars and as I remember it is over an inch diameter. The
> seats don't enter into it. I got the harnesses from Spruce and they fit
> onto the stock seat belts with no problem.
>
> RRW
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Airy Millet"
> To: "fairchildlist"
> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 4:25 PM
> Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Shoulder Harness mod for Fairchild 24R
>
> but do you use orginal seats with such shoulder harness??
>
> otherwise I will find such arrangement quite dangerous...no?
>
> Airy
>
> To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> From: cgalley@...
> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:24:29 -0600
> Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Shoulder Harness mod for Fairchild 24R
>
> You don't need a 337 nor an STC! look at your AC 21-34
>
> Cy Galley - Chair, AirVenture Emergency Aircraft Repair
> A service project of EAA Chapter 75 since 1963
> www.eaa75.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Steve
> To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 1:59 PM
> Subject: [fairchildclub] Shoulder Harness mod for Fairchild 24R
>
> Does anyone have information or copies of previously approved 337's on
> adding shoulder harness's to the pilot and copilot seats? I would like to
> understand what belt and harness combination has been succesful and what was
> used as the attach point. I haven't had much luck locating STC's for the F24
> yet on this subject. Thanks, Steve
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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Posted: **Sun Jan 24, 2010 6:34 pm**

'OK! undertood!

And I can figure the kind of harness installation you are speaking about, not really overlapping the shoulder, but still preventing to get your face on the dash!!

And I do agree! I have a friend who miraculously recovered from his stearman crash, and main injury were due to face injuries.

(is seat weld bracket did break and the seat goes down into the fuselage as his face went on instrument panel and stick!!).

Thanks,

Airy

To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
From: mcclurebill@rocketmail.com
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:26:05 +0000
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Shoulder Harness mod for Fairchild 24R

I am of the school that any shoulder harness is better than none. The FAA publications mentioned will show how to install properly. Almost any of these antiques are attaching around wing carry thru structures. If it is strong enough to carry those loads, your shoulder will break before the structure. Face hard into instrument panel is hard to recover from. You won't be as pretty as before. I have friends who lived through long rehabilitations with accidents like this. Install shoulder harnesses in everything you fly. You never know how and where you might end up. I have installed thesein Staggerwings, Aeroncas, Barons, Bonanzas, etc.

Bill McClure

--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, Airy Millet wrote:
>
>
> I understand that a shoulder harness could fit within the plane!
>
> But I am questionning myself on the way it would work in case of crash!
>
> What part of the plane will bend, where the harness fixture is, the seat back may not injure you or even the belt itself? etc etc...
>
>
>
> Apart aerobatic aircraft I don't really feel the need of shoulder harness... even on some "utility" plane I flew I found it was quite dangerous, having a seat smaller than the height of you body, and having shoulder harness fixture on the rear seats' belts fisture!! (Seats back being too short, the top of it may injury your vertebral column)....
>
>
>
> The F24R we fly here in France is a UC-61K (argus III), and I think I am going to look deeper in the original documents if there was shoulder harness or not in the USAAF/RAF versions!!
>
>
>
>
>
> Airy
>
>
>
> To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> From: bob-jewell@...
> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:35:50 -0600
> Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Shoulder Harness mod for Fairchild 24R
>
>
>
>
>
> I guess I don't understand the problem. The tube is probably something to
> do with the wing spars and as I remember it is over an inch diameter. The
> seats don't enter into it. I got the harnesses from Spruce and they fit
> onto the stock seat belts with no problem.
>
> RRW
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Airy Millet"
> To: "fairchildlist"
> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 4:25 PM
> Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Shoulder Harness mod for Fairchild 24R
>
> but do you use orginal seats with such shoulder harness??
>
> otherwise I will find such arrangement quite dangerous...no?
>
> Airy
>
> To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> From: cgalley@...
> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:24:29 -0600
> Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Shoulder Harness mod for Fairchild 24R
>
> You don't need a 337 nor an STC! look at your AC 21-34
>
> Cy Galley - Chair, AirVenture Emergency Aircraft Repair
> A service project of EAA Chapter 75 since 1963
> www.eaa75.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Steve
> To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 1:59 PM
> Subject: [fairchildclub] Shoulder Harness mod for Fairchild 24R
>
> Does anyone have information or copies of previously approved 337's on
> adding shoulder harness's to the pilot and copilot seats? I would like to
> understand what belt and harness combination has been succesful and what was
> used as the attach point. I haven't had much luck locating STC's for the F24
> yet on this subject. Thanks, Steve
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> __________________________________________________________
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>
>
>
>
>
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