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Posted: **Wed May 20, 2009 2:05 pm**

'
Help
Would you guys thats been there and done that give me a procedure for renewing the
universal joints and a source for the universals also the going price.
Thanx in advance.
Harry
Harry Hayman
904 284 4276

Phone 904-284-4276
Fax 904-284-3869

--- On Wed, 5/13/09, ROBERT COON wrote:

From: ROBERT COON
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: Fuselage questions
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 11:36 PM

George,
We covered the stringers with epoxy varnish right over urethane varnish. Didn't seem to hurt it in the least. Holding up just fine, as far as I can tell.
Good luck.
Bob Coon
Jim Chybicki
UC-61K, HB-690
"Keep em flyin'.
--- On Wed, 5/13/09, George Sands wrote:

From: George Sands
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: Fuselage questions
To: fairchildclub@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 12:45 AM

Thanks.

--- On Tue, 5/12/09, Tom Downey wrote:

From: Tom Downey
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Fuselage questions
To: fairchildclub@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 8:02 PM

There is a much better product it is called "5 year clear" from Smith and Company Richman Ca. it is a 2 part polyurethane and will stop the UV light from yellowing the wood. I have some in service for about 7 years and it looks like I did it yesterday.

http://www.fiveyear clear.com/

> I'm sure this will be the first of many questions. When I received the fuselage it was already varnished (as were the wings) with a wood varnish. I'm going to remove that varnish around the door openings, window openings around the header above the windshield etc. and replace it with epoxy varnish (polyfiber process). My question is what do I do to the stringers, do they need be stripped/sanded and coated with the epoxy varnish?

> Thanks for any help you can provide.

> George Sands

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Posted: **Wed May 20, 2009 2:47 pm**

'Giday Harry. When you find out a fair price, would you be kind enough to let me know? I've
got two NOS universals sitting right in front of me but no idea what they are worth. Thanks...
I'll ship worldwide.

David Stroud Ottawa, Canada
Christavia C-FDWS
Fairchild 51 replica
under construction C-FYXV

----- Original Message -----
From: harry hayman
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:05 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: F24R9 ldg.gear universal joints

Help
Would you guys thats been there and done that give me a procedure for renewing the
universal joints and a source for the universals also the going price.
Thanx in advance.
Harry
Harry Hayman
904 284 4276

Phone 904-284-4276
Fax 904-284-3869

--- On Wed, 5/13/09, ROBERT COON wrote:

From: ROBERT COON
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: Fuselage questions
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 11:36 PM

George,
We covered the stringers with epoxy varnish right over urethane varnish. Didn't seem to hurt it in the least. Holding up just fine, as far as I can tell.
Good luck.
Bob Coon
Jim Chybicki
UC-61K, HB-690
"Keep em flyin'.
--- On Wed, 5/13/09, George Sands wrote:

From: George Sands
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: Fuselage questions
To: fairchildclub@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 12:45 AM

Thanks.

--- On Tue, 5/12/09, Tom Downey wrote:

From: Tom Downey
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Fuselage questions
To: fairchildclub@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 8:02 PM

There is a much better product it is called "5 year clear" from Smith and Company Richman Ca. it is a 2 part polyurethane and will stop the UV light from yellowing the wood. I have some in service for about 7 years and it looks like I did it yesterday.

http://www.fiveyear clear.com/

> I'm sure this will be the first of many questions. When I received the fuselage it was already varnished (as were the wings) with a wood varnish. I'm going to remove that varnish around the door openings, window openings around the header above the windshield etc. and replace it with epoxy varnish (polyfiber process). My question is what do I do to the stringers, do they need be stripped/sanded and coated with the epoxy varnish?

> Thanks for any help you can provide.

> George Sands

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Posted: **Wed May 20, 2009 5:15 pm**

'Hi David
Thanx for the reply.Anything I learn I will pass on.Unlessyou have them on your plane I suggest ypu check on the AD for all 24"S

Later
Harry
Harry Hayman
Phone 904-284-4276
Fax 904-284-3869

--- On Wed, 5/20/09, DAVID STROUD wrote:

From: DAVID STROUD
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: F24R9 ldg.gear universal joints
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 4:47 PM

Giday Harry. When you find out a fair price, would you be kind enough to let me know? I've
got two NOS universals sitting right in front of me but no idea what they are worth. Thanks...
I'll ship worldwide.

David Stroud Ottawa, Canada
Christavia C-FDWS
Fairchild 51 replica
under construction C-FYXV

----- Original Message -----
From: harry hayman
To: fairchildclub@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:05 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: F24R9 ldg.gear universal joints

Help
Would you guys thats been there and done that give me a procedure for renewing the
universal joints and a source for the universals also the going price.
Thanx in advance.
Harry
Harry Hayman
904 284 4276

Phone 904-284-4276
Fax 904-284-3869

--- On Wed, 5/13/09, ROBERT COON wrote:

From: ROBERT COON
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: Fuselage questions
To: fairchildclub@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 11:36 PM

George,
We covered the stringers with epoxy varnish right over urethane varnish. Didn't seem to hurt it in the least. Holding up just fine, as far as I can tell.
Good luck.
Bob Coon
Jim Chybicki
UC-61K, HB-690
"Keep em flyin'.
--- On Wed, 5/13/09, George Sands wrote:

From: George Sands
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: Fuselage questions
To: fairchildclub@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 12:45 AM

Thanks.

--- On Tue, 5/12/09, Tom Downey wrote:

From: Tom Downey
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Fuselage questions
To: fairchildclub@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 8:02 PM

There is a much better product it is called "5 year clear" from Smith and Company Richman Ca. it is a 2 part polyurethane and will stop the UV light from yellowing the wood. I have some in service for about 7 years and it looks like I did it yesterday.

http://www.fiveyear clear.com/

> I'm sure this will be the first of many questions. When I received the fuselage it was already varnished (as were the wings) with a wood varnish. I'm going to remove that varnish around the door openings, window openings around the header above the windshield etc. and replace it with epoxy varnish (polyfiber process). My question is what do I do to the stringers, do they need be stripped/sanded and coated with the epoxy varnish?

> Thanks for any help you can provide.

> George Sands

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Posted: **Wed May 20, 2009 8:12 pm**

'Hi Harry. Just to be clear, I don't have a 24. I have two NOS universals for sale to
anyone interested but I have no idea what they are worth.

I'm scratch building a Fairchild 51
( I know....just google it and it will come up ) and if you're in the mood, get over
to Youtube and search Fairchild 42 and you'll see one fly up in Alaska which is
even more rare than my 51 type. Only seven 42's were ever built and this one is
still flying. Same size as the 51 but sits the bodies side by side in two rows like
a 172. The 51 ( five seats...pilot alone in front ) is a forerunner of the venerable
FC2W2's which evolved into the final iteration of the line which was the Fairchild 71.

You lads might remember
Bob Reeve the "Glacier Pilot" . He founded Reeve Aleutian Airlines with a Fairchild
51. Panagra = Pan America Grace Airlines had an old FC2 ( one exists in the Smithsonian),
Admiral Byrd flew an FC2W2 to Antartica ( on Canadian skis ) way back when and the
plane is now in the Richmond, VA museum. If you ever get to Oshkosh, check out the
museum and you'll find Herb Harcomb's FC2. FC just meant Fairchild Cabin by the way.
Sherman Fairchild had the very early FC1 and then FC2 designed as a cabin airplane
for arial photo work. Sherman's energy was into arial photo work and he came from
big bucks from the get go. His dad was a co founder of IBM. The Fairchild cabin series
of planes developed into an excellent mail, personal transport, bushplane and more.
When Lindbergh did his "Tour of every state in the union" flight in 1927, the third FC2
built....N-S7, was used as the chase plane.

Most of the line were built in either the Farmingdale, New York plant or in the Longueil,
Quebec plant in the early 30's. Hubert Pasmore is in the Canadian Aviation Hall of Fame
and was known as Mr. Fairchild of Canada. I am pleased to be a friend of his son, Godfrey
Pasmore who founded the Canadian Aircraft Historical Centre that is just now finishing
a static display model of the Razorback FC2 from about 1927. I presented Godfrey a
Mint 1993 $20 Canadian coin which featured a Fairchild 71C on one side at a social
function in Montreal last winter.

With tongue in cheek Amigo's ...there's more to life than 19's, 26's and 24's.....

David Stroud Ottawa, Canada
Christavia C-FDWS
Fairchild 51 replica
under construction C-FYXV

----- Original Message -----
From: harry hayman
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: F24R9 ldg.gear universal joints

Hi David
Thanx for the reply.Anything I learn I will pass on.Unlessyou have them on your plane I suggest ypu check on the AD for all 24"S

Later
Harry
Harry Hayman
Phone 904-284-4276
Fax 904-284-3869

--- On Wed, 5/20/09, DAVID STROUD wrote:

From: DAVID STROUD
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: F24R9 ldg.gear universal joints
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 4:47 PM

Giday Harry. When you find out a fair price, would you be kind enough to let me know? I've
got two NOS universals sitting right in front of me but no idea what they are worth. Thanks...
I'll ship worldwide.

David Stroud Ottawa, Canada
Christavia C-FDWS
Fairchild 51 replica
under construction C-FYXV

----- Original Message -----
From: harry hayman
To: fairchildclub@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:05 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: F24R9 ldg.gear universal joints

Help
Would you guys thats been there and done that give me a procedure for renewing the
universal joints and a source for the universals also the going price.
Thanx in advance.
Harry
Harry Hayman
904 284 4276

Phone 904-284-4276
Fax 904-284-3869

--- On Wed, 5/13/09, ROBERT COON wrote:

From: ROBERT COON
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: Fuselage questions
To: fairchildclub@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 11:36 PM

George,
We covered the stringers with epoxy varnish right over urethane varnish. Didn't seem to hurt it in the least. Holding up just fine, as far as I can tell.
Good luck.
Bob Coon
Jim Chybicki
UC-61K, HB-690
"Keep em flyin'.
--- On Wed, 5/13/09, George Sands wrote:

From: George Sands
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: Fuselage questions
To: fairchildclub@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 12:45 AM

Thanks.

--- On Tue, 5/12/09, Tom Downey wrote:

From: Tom Downey
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Fuselage questions
To: fairchildclub@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 8:02 PM

There is a much better product it is called "5 year clear" from Smith and Company Richman Ca. it is a 2 part polyurethane and will stop the UV light from yellowing the wood. I have some in service for about 7 years and it looks like I did it yesterday.

http://www.fiveyear clear.com/

> I'm sure this will be the first of many questions. When I received the fuselage it was already varnished (as were the wings) with a wood varnish. I'm going to remove that varnish around the door openings, window openings around the header above the windshield etc. and replace it with epoxy varnish (polyfiber process). My question is what do I do to the stringers, do they need be stripped/sanded and coated with the epoxy varnish?

> Thanks for any help you can provide.

> George Sands

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Posted: **Thu May 21, 2009 9:21 am**

'Hi Harry Hayman: I had heard of accidents caused by the Universal Joints failing at the web of the joint so had several cast from 4130 chromemolly with the web thickness increased. These are only castings and require drilling, bushings, and grease fittings installed. The price is $17.00 for each, two large and two small. They are installed on several 24s. Bill Spriggs

To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
From: dstroud@xplornet.com
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 16:47:22 -0400
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: F24R9 ldg.gear universal joints

Giday Harry. When you find out a fair price, would you be kind enough to let me know? I've
got two NOS universals sitting right in front of me but no idea what they are worth. Thanks...
I'll ship worldwide.

David Stroud Ottawa, Canada
Christavia C-FDWS
Fairchild 51 replica
under construction C-FYXV

----- Original Message -----
From: harry hayman
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:05 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: F24R9 ldg.gear universal joints

Help
Would you guys thats been there and done that give me a procedure for renewing the
universal joints and a source for the universals also the going price.
Thanx in advance.
Harry
Harry Hayman
904 284 4276

Phone 904-284-4276
Fax 904-284-3869

--- On Wed, 5/13/09, ROBERT COON wrote:

From: ROBERT COON
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: Fuselage questions
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 11:36 PM

George,
We covered the stringers with epoxy varnish right over urethane varnish. Didn't seem to hurt it in the least. Holding up just fine, as far as I can tell.
Good luck.
Bob Coon
Jim Chybicki
UC-61K, HB-690
"Keep em flyin'.
--- On Wed, 5/13/09, George Sands wrote:

From: George Sands
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: Fuselage questions
To: fairchildclub@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 12:45 AM

Thanks.

--- On Tue, 5/12/09, Tom Downey wrote:

From: Tom Downey
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Fuselage questions
To: fairchildclub@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 8:02 PM

There is a much better product it is called "5 year clear" from Smith and Company Richman Ca. it is a 2 part polyurethane and will stop the UV light from yellowing the wood. I have some in service for about 7 years and it looks like I did it yesterday.

http://www.fiveyear clear.com/

> I'm sure this will be the first of many questions. When I received the fuselage it was already varnished (as were the wings) with a wood varnish. I'm going to remove that varnish around the door openings, window openings around the header above the windshield etc. and replace it with epoxy varnish (polyfiber process). My question is what do I do to the stringers, do they need be stripped/sanded and coated with the epoxy varnish?

> Thanks for any help you can provide.

> George Sands

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Posted: **Thu May 21, 2009 2:27 pm**

'Way to go Harry. That's what makes the FAIRCHILD OWNERS SPECIAL.

Ted Camp N81326

To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
From: waspriggs@msn.com
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 08:21:13 -0700
Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Re: F24R9 ldg.gear universal joints

Hi Harry Hayman: I had heard of accidents caused by the Universal Joints failing at the web of the joint so had several cast from 4130 chromemolly with the web thickness increased. These are only castings and require drilling, bushings, and grease fittings installed. The price is $17.00 for each, two large and two small. They are installed on several 24s. Bill Spriggs

To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
From: dstroud@xplornet.com
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 16:47:22 -0400
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: F24R9 ldg.gear universal joints

Giday Harry. When you find out a fair price, would you be kind enough to let me know? I've
got two NOS universals sitting right in front of me but no idea what they are worth. Thanks...
I'll ship worldwide.

David Stroud Ottawa, Canada
Christavia C-FDWS
Fairchild 51 replica
under construction C-FYXV

----- Original Message -----
From: harry hayman
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:05 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: F24R9 ldg.gear universal joints

Help
Would you guys thats been there and done that give me a procedure for renewing the
universal joints and a source for the universals also the going price.
Thanx in advance.
Harry
Harry Hayman
904 284 4276

Phone 904-284-4276
Fax 904-284-3869

--- On Wed, 5/13/09, ROBERT COON wrote:

From: ROBERT COON
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: Fuselage questions
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 11:36 PM

George,
We covered the stringers with epoxy varnish right over urethane varnish. Didn't seem to hurt it in the least. Holding up just fine, as far as I can tell.
Good luck.
Bob Coon
Jim Chybicki
UC-61K, HB-690
"Keep em flyin'.
--- On Wed, 5/13/09, George Sands wrote:

From: George Sands
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: Fuselage questions
To: fairchildclub@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 12:45 AM

Thanks.

--- On Tue, 5/12/09, Tom Downey wrote:

From: Tom Downey
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Fuselage questions
To: fairchildclub@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 8:02 PM

There is a much better product it is called "5 year clear" from Smith and Company Richman Ca. it is a 2 part polyurethane and will stop the UV light from yellowing the wood. I have some in service for about 7 years and it looks like I did it yesterday.

http://www.fiveyear clear.com/

> I'm sure this will be the first of many questions. When I received the fuselage it was already varnished (as were the wings) with a wood varnish. I'm going to remove that varnish around the door openings, window openings around the header above the windshield etc. and replace it with epoxy varnish (polyfiber process). My question is what do I do to the stringers, do they need be stripped/sanded and coated with the epoxy varnish?

> Thanks for any help you can provide.

> George Sands

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Posted: **Thu May 21, 2009 10:21 pm**

'I know many owners don't have a clue, when looking at the universals, to
know which is which. The ones that need to be replaced don't have bushings,
and if you place one of the un-good ones beside the good ones, you will also
see that the bad ones are slightly smaller. The markings on either, are
slim to none.

Another idea for you all. If the bolts at the top of the gear are tough to
get into place and sometimes you shave off some of the bolts threads, you
may need to make new inserts with the hole on a slight angle. I used a CAD
program that I have to determine that my right side mounts were 0.9 deg
(front) and 1.3 deg (rear) off allignment. Why you say, the right main was
torn off. They did a good job welding everything back together, but the
allignment suffered.

I made a standard set of bushings, which I found out, wouldn't work. I was
cutting off threads. I put the standard set of bushings in place, while
knowing everything was off allignment. I put a new bolt in the front
attachment point with new bushings, then measured how much off-set there was
on the rear between the hole in the gear leg versus the new bushing in the
attachment point. This would tell me the angle that the front was off. I
then reversed everything and measured back to front, to give the anble that
the rear was off. I measured to 1/1000th inch and marked the position of
the off-set was headed, as in 7 o'clock, or 1 o'clock. I projected the
amount of off-set at the aft bushing versus the center of the two front
bushings. I used the CAD program to give the amount of shims that I would
need for the holding fixture for the bushing so I could bore it at an angle.
(It will draw stuff down to 1/1000 inch)

When I was done, I was pushing both bolts into place with my thumb, with a
tolerance of I'm sure this will be the first of many questions. When I received the
> fuselage it was already varnished (as were the wings) with a wood varnish.
> I'm going to remove that varnish around the door openings, window openings
> around the header above the windshield etc. and replace it with epoxy
> varnish (polyfiber process). My question is what do I do to the stringers,
> do they need be stripped/sanded and coated with the epoxy varnish?

> Thanks for any help you can provide.

> George Sands

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Posted: **Fri May 22, 2009 7:02 am**

'
Good Morning Bob
Thanx for the detailed answer to my Query.Asking for more info.Were the wings on or offI? .If they were on how did you support the wing ect while they were adrift?

Harry Hayman
Phone 904-284-4276
Fax 904-284-3869

--- On Fri, 5/22/09, Bob Etter wrote:

From: Bob Etter
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: F24R9 ldg.gear universal joints
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, May 22, 2009, 12:19 AM

I know many owners don't have a clue, when looking at the universals, to
know which is which. The ones that need to be replaced don't have bushings,
and if you place one of the un-good ones beside the good ones, you will also
see that the bad ones are slightly smaller. The markings on either, are
slim to none.

Another idea for you all. If the bolts at the top of the gear are tough to
get into place and sometimes you shave off some of the bolts threads, you
may need to make new inserts with the hole on a slight angle. I used a CAD
program that I have to determine that my right side mounts were 0.9 deg
(front) and 1.3 deg (rear) off allignment. Why you say, the right main was
torn off. They did a good job welding everything back together, but the
allignment suffered.

I made a standard set of bushings, which I found out, wouldn't work. I was
cutting off threads. I put the standard set of bushings in place, while
knowing everything was off allignment. I put a new bolt in the front
attachment point with new bushings, then measured how much off-set there was
on the rear between the hole in the gear leg versus the new bushing in the
attachment point. This would tell me the angle that the front was off. I
then reversed everything and measured back to front, to give the anble that
the rear was off. I measured to 1/1000th inch and marked the position of
the off-set was headed, as in 7 o'clock, or 1 o'clock. I projected the
amount of off-set at the aft bushing versus the center of the two front
bushings. I used the CAD program to give the amount of shims that I would
need for the holding fixture for the bushing so I could bore it at an angle.
(It will draw stuff down to 1/1000 inch)

When I was done, I was pushing both bolts into place with my thumb, with a
tolerance of I'm sure this will be the first of many questions. When I received the
> fuselage it was already varnished (as were the wings) with a wood varnish.
> I'm going to remove that varnish around the door openings, window openings
> around the header above the windshield etc. and replace it with epoxy
> varnish (polyfiber process). My question is what do I do to the stringers,
> do they need be stripped/sanded and coated with the epoxy varnish?

> Thanks for any help you can provide.

> George Sands

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Posted: **Fri May 22, 2009 2:43 pm**

'The last time that I did work on the landing gear, I used a rope around the top motor mounting, right at the fire wall. Another was I did it, was to make a simple "A" frame that would straddle the main gear leg, and jack the airplane up at a point inboard of the oleo strut attach point, on the tri-pod. And no I didn't have the wings in place when I lifted at the motor mounts.

Bob

----- Original Message -----
From: harry hayman
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 6:02 AM
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: F24R9 ldg.gear universal joints

Good Morning Bob
Thanx for the detailed answer to my Query.Asking for more info.Were the wings on or offI? .If they were on how did you support the wing ect while they were adrift?

Harry Hayman
Phone 904-284-4276
Fax 904-284-3869

--- On Fri, 5/22/09, Bob Etter wrote:

From: Bob Etter
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: F24R9 ldg.gear universal joints
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, May 22, 2009, 12:19 AM

I know many owners don't have a clue, when looking at the universals, to
know which is which. The ones that need to be replaced don't have bushings,
and if you place one of the un-good ones beside the good ones, you will also
see that the bad ones are slightly smaller. The markings on either, are
slim to none.

Another idea for you all. If the bolts at the top of the gear are tough to
get into place and sometimes you shave off some of the bolts threads, you
may need to make new inserts with the hole on a slight angle. I used a CAD
program that I have to determine that my right side mounts were 0.9 deg
(front) and 1.3 deg (rear) off allignment. Why you say, the right main was
torn off. They did a good job welding everything back together, but the
allignment suffered.

I made a standard set of bushings, which I found out, wouldn't work. I was
cutting off threads. I put the standard set of bushings in place, while
knowing everything was off allignment. I put a new bolt in the front
attachment point with new bushings, then measured how much off-set there was
on the rear between the hole in the gear leg versus the new bushing in the
attachment point. This would tell me the angle that the front was off. I
then reversed everything and measured back to front, to give the anble that
the rear was off. I measured to 1/1000th inch and marked the position of
the off-set was headed, as in 7 o'clock, or 1 o'clock. I projected the
amount of off-set at the aft bushing versus the center of the two front
bushings. I used the CAD program to give the amount of shims that I would
need for the holding fixture for the bushing so I could bore it at an angle.
(It will draw stuff down to 1/1000 inch)

When I was done, I was pushing both bolts into place with my thumb, with a
tolerance of I'm sure this will be the first of many questions. When I received the
> fuselage it was already varnished (as were the wings) with a wood varnish.
> I'm going to remove that varnish around the door openings, window openings
> around the header above the windshield etc. and replace it with epoxy
> varnish (polyfiber process). My question is what do I do to the stringers,
> do they need be stripped/sanded and coated with the epoxy varnish?

> Thanks for any help you can provide.

> George Sands

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Posted: **Mon May 25, 2009 5:27 pm**

' Hi Bob
Thanx for letting me pick your brain.that was a good solution for my problem.The one using the A Frame
Harry

Harry Hayman
Phone 904-284-4276
Fax 904-284-3869

--- On Fri, 5/22/09, Bob Etter wrote:

From: Bob Etter
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: F24R9 ldg.gear universal joints
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, May 22, 2009, 4:41 PM

The last time that I did work on the landing gear, I used a rope around the top motor mounting, right at the fire wall. Another was I did it, was to make a simple "A" frame that would straddle the main gear leg, and jack the airplane up at a point inboard of the oleo strut attach point, on the tri-pod. And no I didn't have the wings in place when I lifted at the motor mounts.

Bob

----- Original Message -----
From: harry hayman
To: fairchildclub@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 6:02 AM
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: F24R9 ldg.gear universal joints

Good Morning Bob
Thanx for the detailed answer to my Query.Asking for more info.Were the wings on or offI? .If they were on how did you support the wing ect while they were adrift?

Harry Hayman
Phone 904-284-4276
Fax 904-284-3869

--- On Fri, 5/22/09, Bob Etter wrote:

From: Bob Etter
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: F24R9 ldg.gear universal joints
To: fairchildclub@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, May 22, 2009, 12:19 AM

I know many owners don't have a clue, when looking at the universals, to
know which is which. The ones that need to be replaced don't have bushings,
and if you place one of the un-good ones beside the good ones, you will also
see that the bad ones are slightly smaller. The markings on either, are
slim to none.

Another idea for you all. If the bolts at the top of the gear are tough to
get into place and sometimes you shave off some of the bolts threads, you
may need to make new inserts with the hole on a slight angle. I used a CAD
program that I have to determine that my right side mounts were 0.9 deg
(front) and 1.3 deg (rear) off allignment. Why you say, the right main was
torn off. They did a good job welding everything back together, but the
allignment suffered.

I made a standard set of bushings, which I found out, wouldn't work. I was
cutting off threads. I put the standard set of bushings in place, while
knowing everything was off allignment. I put a new bolt in the front
attachment point with new bushings, then measured how much off-set there was
on the rear between the hole in the gear leg versus the new bushing in the
attachment point. This would tell me the angle that the front was off. I
then reversed everything and measured back to front, to give the anble that
the rear was off. I measured to 1/1000th inch and marked the position of
the off-set was headed, as in 7 o'clock, or 1 o'clock. I projected the
amount of off-set at the aft bushing versus the center of the two front
bushings. I used the CAD program to give the amount of shims that I would
need for the holding fixture for the bushing so I could bore it at an angle.
(It will draw stuff down to 1/1000 inch)

When I was done, I was pushing both bolts into place with my thumb, with a
tolerance of I'm sure this will be the first of many questions. When I received the
> fuselage it was already varnished (as were the wings) with a wood varnish.
> I'm going to remove that varnish around the door openings, window openings
> around the header above the windshield etc. and replace it with epoxy
> varnish (polyfiber process). My question is what do I do to the stringers,
> do they need be stripped/sanded and coated with the epoxy varnish?

> Thanks for any help you can provide.

> George Sands

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