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'The oldest you'll get to is about 1925, the Fairchild FC1. Very interesting lineage but hard to find info
on models FC2, 51, FC2W and FC2W2's and lastly F71's. There are three or four flying FC2W2
and 71 models with a couple under restoration. My replica 51 will be the only flying example on the
planet.

David Stroud Ottawa, Canada
Christavia C-FDWS
Fairchild 51 replica
under construction C-FYXV

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'Hi David



Thanks for the disappointing information regarding the very oldest
Fairchilds. I am indeed struggling to find much information.



Great to hear about your aircraft, it is hard to believe that a 70year old
aircraft is still around and flying. Do you have a picture of it?



I will be investigating the site with interest, and continuing my research
on the earliest aircraft. I am particularly interested in the aircraft
operated by the very earliest American airlines. Do you have any
information?



Cheers

Steve







From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of DAVID STROUD
Sent: 03 August 2008 18:51
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] NEW MEMBER --- steve11oct



The oldest you'll get to is about 1925, the Fairchild FC1. Very interesting
lineage but hard to find info
on models FC2, 51, FC2W and FC2W2's and lastly F71's. There are three or
four flying FC2W2
and 71 models with a couple under restoration. My replica 51 will be the
only flying example on the
planet.

David Stroud Ottawa, Canada
Christavia C-FDWS
Fairchild 51 replica
under construction C-FYXV

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From: Dan Casali
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Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 11:42 AM
Subject: [fairchildclub] NEW MEMBER --- steve11oct

steve11oct

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'The info's out there..just hard to find sometimes. Need info on Fairchilds in early aviation with
a focus on Airlines ? Check out Panagra's FC2 which now rests in the Smithsonian. It was one
of the early Fairchilds in Pan America Grace Airlines ( Panagra ). Look into Colonial Air
Transport of New York...Albany/Montreal/Big Apple passenger service. An FC2 held the first
C.A.M. no 1 contract ( Contract Air Mail ) and ran mail between Boston, NY and Montreal.
Rhil's Flying Service of Tampico, Mexico ran FC2's from Brownsville, TX to Tampico and Mexico
City. Western Canadian Airways of Winnipeg, Canada, Colonial Western of New York, Cliff Ball
Airlines of Pittsburg, Pa come to mind as well as a plethora of Canadian representation in the
form of bush planes / transport / small airline service. Ontario Provincial Airways, NAME ( Northern
Aerial l and Mining Exploration ) . The most spectacular example of an early Fairchild entering the
airline world might be the story of Bob Reeve, sometimes known as the Glacier Pilot. He got his start
in Fairchilds flying down in the Andes Mountains for Panagra, had a few scary moments at 20,000 ft
now and then and set world records at the time in Fairchilds. His huge claim to fame was getting up to
Alaska and with a Fairchild 51 most of the time, founded Reeve Aleutian Airlines which existed until
the '80's or '90's. There's a nice little paperback written by Beth Day called Glacier Pilot. Very much a
good little read and explains how territories got sorted out among the pilots back in the early days.
One lad I consider a pretty good friend is Godfrey Pasmore of Montreal. He was instrumental in helping
me get plans together to build my 51. His father, Hubert Pasmore, was known as Mr. Fairchild of Canada
way back when and headed up a plant in Montreal ( Canadian Vickers ) who had a license to build up some
early Fairchilds. The RCAF used maybe 50 Fairchilds, the US military had a bunch too. Stars N Stripes was
one of the most famous for the Yanks...Admiral Bird flew the plane to the Antarctic quite a few years ago. This
plane now rests in the Richmond, VA museum on loan from the Smithstonian. Don't tell anyone, but I've been
inside the plane.

Sherman Fairchild was a gifted fellow and came from good lineage and some money. His father was one of
the co founders of IBM. Sherman's early business interest in life was ariel photography and he couldn't find
a good camera platform so he had the FC1 designed and went from there. He capitalized on all and any other
avenues of uses for the FC plane along the way, and the final iteration of the line was a 600 hp F71 that could
carry so much load aft, they swept the wings back 5 degrees which was an easy task to achieve since all these
Fairchilds had folding wings. The "flaps" did not operated in flight as flaps...they could be released when parked
and reflexed up over the wing, the front spar released from it's fuselage attachement by a spring loaded lever/taper
pin arrangement ( visually enhanced by final locking via a Yale padlock ) to facilitate folding of the wings aft,
horizontally along the fuselage. You may notice that all of these Fairchilds have the two lift struts converging under
the rear spar area at the fuselage attach area to allow folding. Many bush use Fairchilds were seconded into
service to survey the Alaska Highway in the big rush of WW2 and finished their days there.

My plane will look like this: http://www.aerofiles.com/fair-51a.jpg empty wt. of 2,256 lbs and gross around 4, 000 lbs.

Do a search on Fc2W2 and you'll come up with some stuff you may find of interest. Oddly enough, the entire FC lineage
featured a single seat for the pilot, then rows of two for passengers or crew...ie...Fairchild 51 had one pilot seat, five seats
in all. The F71 had one pilot seat, seven seats in all. The only oddball that came out of the group was the Fairchild 41's and 42's
which were also called the Fairchild Foursomes. Same wings and fuselage length as mine ( 44' span / 7' chord, 31' LOA )
but they did up the forward cabin into two rows of two seats. Only six ever built and one still flys in Alaska owned by the
Chapman Father and Son team.

Probably more drivel than you needed Steve, but I burnt myself out today fitting aileron controls and I don't watch much TV. Cheers.

David Stroud Ottawa, Canada
Christavia C-FDWS
Fairchild 51 replica
under construction C-FYXV

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From: Stirchley Screw
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 3:31 PM
Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] NEW MEMBER --- steve11oct


Hi David

Thanks for the disappointing information regarding the very oldest
Fairchilds. I am indeed struggling to find much information.

Great to hear about your aircraft, it is hard to believe that a 70year old
aircraft is still around and flying. Do you have a picture of it?

I will be investigating the site with interest, and continuing my research
on the earliest aircraft. I am particularly interested in the aircraft
operated by the very earliest American airlines. Do you have any
information?

Cheers

Steve

From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of DAVID STROUD
Sent: 03 August 2008 18:51
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] NEW MEMBER --- steve11oct

The oldest you'll get to is about 1925, the Fairchild FC1. Very interesting
lineage but hard to find info
on models FC2, 51, FC2W and FC2W2's and lastly F71's. There are three or
four flying FC2W2
and 71 models with a couple under restoration. My replica 51 will be the
only flying example on the
planet.

David Stroud Ottawa, Canada
Christavia C-FDWS
Fairchild 51 replica
under construction C-FYXV

----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Casali
To: Fairchild List
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 11:42 AM
Subject: [fairchildclub] NEW MEMBER --- steve11oct

steve11oct

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'David



Thanks for all the information, there is a lot to be going on there and I
shallgo and do some work on the web, to see what else I can find.

Good luck with your work on your own plane and have a good week.



Cheers

Steve





From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of DAVID STROUD
Sent: 04 August 2008 02:16
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fairchildclub] Early Fairchild info for Steve



The info's out there..just hard to find sometimes. Need info on Fairchilds
in early aviation with
a focus on Airlines ? Check out Panagra's FC2 which now rests in the
Smithsonian. It was one
of the early Fairchilds in Pan America Grace Airlines ( Panagra ). Look into
Colonial Air
Transport of New York...Albany/Montreal/Big Apple passenger service. An FC2
held the first
C.A.M. no 1 contract ( Contract Air Mail ) and ran mail between Boston, NY
and Montreal.
Rhil's Flying Service of Tampico, Mexico ran FC2's from Brownsville, TX to
Tampico and Mexico
City. Western Canadian Airways of Winnipeg, Canada, Colonial Western of New
York, Cliff Ball
Airlines of Pittsburg, Pa come to mind as well as a plethora of Canadian
representation in the
form of bush planes / transport / small airline service. Ontario Provincial
Airways, NAME ( Northern
Aerial l and Mining Exploration ) . The most spectacular example of an early
Fairchild entering the
airline world might be the story of Bob Reeve, sometimes known as the
Glacier Pilot. He got his start
in Fairchilds flying down in the Andes Mountains for Panagra, had a few
scary moments at 20,000 ft
now and then and set world records at the time in Fairchilds. His huge claim
to fame was getting up to
Alaska and with a Fairchild 51 most of the time, founded Reeve Aleutian
Airlines which existed until
the '80's or '90's. There's a nice little paperback written by Beth Day
called Glacier Pilot. Very much a
good little read and explains how territories got sorted out among the
pilots back in the early days.
One lad I consider a pretty good friend is Godfrey Pasmore of Montreal. He
was instrumental in helping
me get plans together to build my 51. His father, Hubert Pasmore, was known
as Mr. Fairchild of Canada
way back when and headed up a plant in Montreal ( Canadian Vickers ) who had
a license to build up some
early Fairchilds. The RCAF used maybe 50 Fairchilds, the US military had a
bunch too. Stars N Stripes was
one of the most famous for the Yanks...Admiral Bird flew the plane to the
Antarctic quite a few years ago. This
plane now rests in the Richmond, VA museum on loan from the Smithstonian.
Don't tell anyone, but I've been
inside the plane.

Sherman Fairchild was a gifted fellow and came from good lineage and some
money. His father was one of
the co founders of IBM. Sherman's early business interest in life was ariel
photography and he couldn't find
a good camera platform so he had the FC1 designed and went from there. He
capitalized on all and any other
avenues of uses for the FC plane along the way, and the final iteration of
the line was a 600 hp F71 that could
carry so much load aft, they swept the wings back 5 degrees which was an
easy task to achieve since all these
Fairchilds had folding wings. The "flaps" did not operated in flight as
flaps...they could be released when parked
and reflexed up over the wing, the front spar released from it's fuselage
attachement by a spring loaded lever/taper
pin arrangement ( visually enhanced by final locking via a Yale padlock ) to
facilitate folding of the wings aft,
horizontally along the fuselage. You may notice that all of these Fairchilds
have the two lift struts converging under
the rear spar area at the fuselage attach area to allow folding. Many bush
use Fairchilds were seconded into
service to survey the Alaska Highway in the big rush of WW2 and finished
their days there.

My plane will look like this: http://www.aerofiles.com/fair-51a.jpg empty
wt. of 2,256 lbs and gross around 4, 000 lbs.

Do a search on Fc2W2 and you'll come up with some stuff you may find of
interest. Oddly enough, the entire FC lineage
featured a single seat for the pilot, then rows of two for passengers or
crew...ie...Fairchild 51 had one pilot seat, five seats
in all. The F71 had one pilot seat, seven seats in all. The only oddball
that came out of the group was the Fairchild 41's and 42's
which were also called the Fairchild Foursomes. Same wings and fuselage
length as mine ( 44' span / 7' chord, 31' LOA )
but they did up the forward cabin into two rows of two seats. Only six ever
built and one still flys in Alaska owned by the
Chapman Father and Son team.

Probably more drivel than you needed Steve, but I burnt myself out today
fitting aileron controls and I don't watch much TV. Cheers.

David Stroud Ottawa, Canada
Christavia C-FDWS
Fairchild 51 replica
under construction C-FYXV

----- Original Message -----
From: Stirchley Screw
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 3:31 PM
Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] NEW MEMBER --- steve11oct

Hi David

Thanks for the disappointing information regarding the very oldest
Fairchilds. I am indeed struggling to find much information.

Great to hear about your aircraft, it is hard to believe that a 70year old
aircraft is still around and flying. Do you have a picture of it?

I will be investigating the site with interest, and continuing my research
on the earliest aircraft. I am particularly interested in the aircraft
operated by the very earliest American airlines. Do you have any
information?

Cheers

Steve

From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
]
On Behalf Of DAVID STROUD
Sent: 03 August 2008 18:51
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] NEW MEMBER --- steve11oct

The oldest you'll get to is about 1925, the Fairchild FC1. Very interesting
lineage but hard to find info
on models FC2, 51, FC2W and FC2W2's and lastly F71's. There are three or
four flying FC2W2
and 71 models with a couple under restoration. My replica 51 will be the
only flying example on the
planet.

David Stroud Ottawa, Canada
Christavia C-FDWS
Fairchild 51 replica
under construction C-FYXV

----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Casali
To: Fairchild List
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 11:42 AM
Subject: [fairchildclub] NEW MEMBER --- steve11oct

steve11oct

Comment from user:
Interested in old historic Fairchild aircraft. Want to know more.

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