Fairchild Club Forum

'Jamie-

I have to take exception to your comments since we have been flying this
airplane (81229) for four years and have had NONE of the issues you are
talking about-! I have had 3 people in the airplane in the summer and the
Clevelands have given us none of the issues you speak of-!

For further, and MORE EXPERT, engine advice regarding this conversion I
recommend any and all check with Don Sanders of Sanders Airmotive in Yukon,
OK. Don also has an F24 with the W670/Continental power plant and rebuilds
Jacobs, Continental and Lycoming radials.

Sanders Airmotive is currently doing a W670 for me to install on my Myers
OTW, of which there are 2 currently licensed with a W670. OTW #1 once flew
ag with a Jacobs in Kansas - and, furthermore, I sincerely believe it will
not be long that if you have a Warner or Ranger powered airplane, you may
have it to fly in th local traffic pattern or put it on a pedestal or local
aviation museum. Parts for Warners and Kinners are extinct and those that
WILL rebuild them as well-!

Jamie - Come fly it before you comment so freely-!

RE "Dick" Russell, N81229


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'Another attractive radial engine option might be the Huosai 285 out of a Nanchang
CJ6 trainer. They're all over the place and inexpensive since quite a few of them
have been replaced by the M14P which is a direct drop in item. 285 horses, parts
are plentiful and cheap. An example of pricing....I picked up a 300 hour engine, 300
hour two blade, in flight adjustable metal prop and a $2,300 ss exhaust system for
$7K. I'm not sure about the weight, but I'm thinking it might not be more than the
W670 etc.

David Stroud Ottawa, Canada
C-FDWS Christavia
Fairchild 51 under construction



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'Dick,

I agree the F-24 will fly three with the 220 or Jake installed. I bet it will fly four with full of fuel and bags. What I stated was it will not be FAA legal. The FAA would not grant the increase in gross weight to the Mil Std. The Denver office also refused to allow the 310 Cleveland setup on the F-24 here in Denver for years. When it was sold, the new owner installed the brakes and proceeded to put it on its back. The word is caution. So far I know of three big engine F-24s that have been on there nose. Caution!!! is the name of the game.

The Waco bunch is doing the same. Installing bigger Jakes on the front of Cabins. Also installing Cleveland's. But most have gone to the two puck, 210 discs and brakes and 310 wheels. Reduce the amount of braking power to prevent noseover.

Jamie

----- Original Message -----
From: Dick & Shelia Russell
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 7:04 AM
Subject: [fairchildclub] F24 powered by W670


Jamie-

I have to take exception to your comments since we have been flying this
airplane (81229) for four years and have had NONE of the issues you are
talking about-! I have had 3 people in the airplane in the summer and the
Clevelands have given us none of the issues you speak of-!

For further, and MORE EXPERT, engine advice regarding this conversion I
recommend any and all check with Don Sanders of Sanders Airmotive in Yukon,
OK. Don also has an F24 with the W670/Continental power plant and rebuilds
Jacobs, Continental and Lycoming radials.

Sanders Airmotive is currently doing a W670 for me to install on my Myers
OTW, of which there are 2 currently licensed with a W670. OTW #1 once flew
ag with a Jacobs in Kansas - and, furthermore, I sincerely believe it will
not be long that if you have a Warner or Ranger powered airplane, you may
have it to fly in th local traffic pattern or put it on a pedestal or local
aviation museum. Parts for Warners and Kinners are extinct and those that
WILL rebuild them as well-!

Jamie - Come fly it before you comment so freely-!

RE "Dick" Russell, N81229

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'Yup, yup: maybe I lost something in the translation but I typically
use little braking on roll out and I use brakes ONLY for turning and
parking. Caution is correct and too bad on Denver FSDO-! What the FAA
don't know surely will not hurt anyone; the guys in Alaska and
elsewhere have flown over gross for years when need be and IF one were
to ONLY fly by the approved numbers in your area in the summer, FEW
little airplane drivers would be flying in light (GA). IF I concerned
myself with this allowable gross weight stuff, I would have flown
little to none in Vietnam or the US-!

Reason, reason and good judgment will prevail and if some are
uncomfortable with all the numbers stuff, then little flying will be
done-! Perhaps I have just been around the traffic pattern too much
and for too long,eh-?

I know I am old, but NOT so bold, and expect to fly a good many more
years-!


Dick Russell

--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Jamie Treat"
wrote:

>
> Dick,
>
> I agree the F-24 will fly three with the 220 or Jake installed. I

bet it will fly four with full of fuel and bags. What I stated was it
will not be FAA legal. The FAA would not grant the increase in gross
weight to the Mil Std. The Denver office also refused to allow the 310
Cleveland setup on the F-24 here in Denver for years. When it was
sold, the new owner installed the brakes and proceeded to put it on
its back. The word is caution. So far I know of three big engine F-24s
that have been on there nose. Caution!!! is the name of the game.

>
> The Waco bunch is doing the same. Installing bigger Jakes on the

front of Cabins. Also installing Cleveland's. But most have gone to
the two puck, 210 discs and brakes and 310 wheels. Reduce the amount
of braking power to prevent noseover.

>
> Jamie
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dick & Shelia Russell
> To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 7:04 AM
> Subject: [fairchildclub] F24 powered by W670
>
>
> Jamie-
>
> I have to take exception to your comments since we have been

flying this

> airplane (81229) for four years and have had NONE of the issues

you are

> talking about-! I have had 3 people in the airplane in the summer

and the

> Clevelands have given us none of the issues you speak of-!
>
> For further, and MORE EXPERT, engine advice regarding this

conversion I

> recommend any and all check with Don Sanders of Sanders Airmotive

in Yukon,

> OK. Don also has an F24 with the W670/Continental power plant and

rebuilds

> Jacobs, Continental and Lycoming radials.
>
> Sanders Airmotive is currently doing a W670 for me to install on

my Myers

> OTW, of which there are 2 currently licensed with a W670. OTW #1

once flew

> ag with a Jacobs in Kansas - and, furthermore, I sincerely believe

it will

> not be long that if you have a Warner or Ranger powered airplane,

you may

> have it to fly in th local traffic pattern or put it on a pedestal

or local

> aviation museum. Parts for Warners and Kinners are extinct and

those that

> WILL rebuild them as well-!
>
> Jamie - Come fly it before you comment so freely-!
>
> RE "Dick" Russell, N81229
>
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>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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