Re: aeromatic props back in production (but not repair)

[EarlN28645@aol.com]

'Hi,

Fairchild's advertisements claim a 15,000 foot service ceiling. No Way! I
coaxed my 1940 24W (with a 165 Warner) to almost 11,000 feet one day. I have
driven a Plymouth station wagon to 14,200 feet. And, I had the Fairchild
higher than I ever flew it when I came across Colorado as I was hauling it on
trailer back from the East coast.

They're good airplanes, but without a constant speed controllable or
Aeromatic prop, stay out of the mountains. I flew mine back to Ohio a couple of
times and followed I-80 from the Bay area because the roadway goes through the
mountains, not over them. Besides, you have a nice long runway if you need to
land unexpectedly.

Earl Swaney
Fresno, California


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[Tom Downey]

'

> Fairchild's advertisements claim a 15,000 foot service ceiling. No

Way! Earl Swaney

> Fresno, California

I have flown mine to 14.3k' crossing the rockies from Casper to
Pocatello. And I beieve it could have gone another 700''

[EarlN28645@aol.com]

'ias@whidbey.net

14,300 feet?

What engine? What horsepower? What load? What atmospheric conditions?

Service ceiling is defined as that altitude that an airplane can reach at
full gross and still be able to climb 100 feet a minute.

Earl Swaney


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[Chief Russell]

'Anyone have a spare door-? We have wood 'issues' needing attention and have
decided it may be easier to just replace the door...

Dick Russell
Wichita, KS (N81229)

CMS, USAF (Retired)
OTW, Fairchild, 182, 650 & HP driver
-----Original Message-----
From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Tom Downey
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 12:18 AM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: The advertisement is wrong!

> Fairchild's advertisements claim a 15,000 foot service ceiling. No

Way! Earl Swaney

> Fresno, California

I have flown mine to 14.3k' crossing the rockies from Casper to
Pocatello. And I beieve it could have gone another 700'







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[Tom Downey]

'

> 14,300 feet?
>
> What engine? What horsepower? What load? What atmospheric

conditions?

>
> Service ceiling is defined as that altitude that an airplane can

reach at

> full gross and still be able to climb 100 feet a minute.
>
> Earl Swaney

Warner 165, 2 pax, 1 hour off a full 60 gallon load. and prolly 50
pounds bags. casper -D-> pocatello, a very nice VFR day.. OAT -10f at
14,000"'

[robert Etter]

'I have both doors, but I think that both have the same issues as yours. I
have the remains of two factory original doors. Both of them also have
issues similar to the ones that had seen normal usage. Failed glue joints
and cracks. The wood around the latches & hinges is showing signs of
cracking.
If you need to make a new door. While you still have everything assembled,
strip off any upholstery that covers the wood, then lay it down on a sheet
of plywood and put blocks of wood around the door frame to start a jig for
the door. This will allow you to make a door frame that would match the
door skin. As for the top, bottom, front and rear members of the frame, I
would suggest using under size spruce stock, then laminate mahogany plywood
on one or both sides to bring it up to the desired size. This should
eliminate the tendency of the wood to crack. The rear member is thicker
than the other 3. On each corner, I would put 3 or 4, 1/16" gussets. I
think the original had only one about 5/16-1/4", I can check that is you
want.
You can get new window channel at about any auto glass place.

My whole airplane is still a work in progress. Getting pictures, is no
problem.

Bob Etter
PO Box 974
Tonopah, NV 89049
775-482-6820
rletter@citlink.net'

[Chief Russell]

'Bob -

Thanks for the info - I had hopes that we might locate an "extra" door in
someone's hangar and eliminate the rebuild process-!(?) Anyway; will see
what this week brings when we start taking thing's apart-!

How be things in Tonopah-? Any signs of 'strange' aircraft in Area 51 these
days-? I haven't been in Tonopah in several years, maybe last was 1991.

stay cool

Dick Russell (N81229)

CMS, USAF (Retired)
OTW, Fairchild, 182, 650 & HP driver
-----Original Message-----
From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Robert Etter
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 6:01 PM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Left door for a 24-?


I have both doors, but I think that both have the same issues as yours. I
have the remains of two factory original doors. Both of them also have
issues similar to the ones that had seen normal usage. Failed glue joints
and cracks. The wood around the latches & hinges is showing signs of
cracking.
If you need to make a new door. While you still have everything
assembled,
strip off any upholstery that covers the wood, then lay it down on a sheet
of plywood and put blocks of wood around the door frame to start a jig for
the door. This will allow you to make a door frame that would match the
door skin. As for the top, bottom, front and rear members of the frame, I
would suggest using under size spruce stock, then laminate mahogany
plywood
on one or both sides to bring it up to the desired size. This should
eliminate the tendency of the wood to crack. The rear member is thicker
than the other 3. On each corner, I would put 3 or 4, 1/16" gussets. I
think the original had only one about 5/16-1/4", I can check that is you
want.
You can get new window channel at about any auto glass place.

My whole airplane is still a work in progress. Getting pictures, is no
problem.

Bob Etter
PO Box 974
Tonopah, NV 89049
775-482-6820
rletter@citlink.net



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[windshieldguy2000]

'Tom, I hope you were wearing warm clothes. I'm wanting to do some long
distance flights with my airplane once it's done (200hp Ranger,
Aeromatic with new Tarver blades) and a couple of the proposed trips
would take me into WY and MT and I was curious what the odds were of
getting my airplane to 12,500' or there abouts. I've done lots of
glider flying and have learned to work thermals or just strong updrafts
in powered airplanes and have gotten some pretty good altitudes out of
150's, Tri-Pacers, and other light airplanes you wouldn't expect to see
up high. I hope my Fairchild is just as capable or more so.

Anyone ever seen a 200hp Ranger with a supercharger? I've speculated
about it with other Ranger owners and was just curious if it has ever
actually been done.

Best Wishes,
Brad Donner
NC77605'

[windshieldguy2000]

'Dick: My doors were rotten, too. Replaced one by building a new wood
frame (time consuming and quite a parts puzzle, but not overly
difficult or expensive) and repaired the other. I might have some
patterns here, but no complete door frame. I DO have a serviceable
door skin that I'd rather trade than sell. Let me know if you need
it.

Best Wishes,
Brad Donner
NC77605'

[Chief Russell]

'Brad -

Thanks for the info - will see what we have when we get the door off the
airplane and apart later in the week-?

Dick R (81229)

CMS, USAF (Retired)
OTW, Fairchild, 182, 650 & HP driver
-----Original Message-----
From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of windshieldguy2000
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 11:24 AM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Left door for a 24-?


Dick: My doors were rotten, too. Replaced one by building a new wood
frame (time consuming and quite a parts puzzle, but not overly
difficult or expensive) and repaired the other. I might have some
patterns here, but no complete door frame. I DO have a serviceable
door skin that I'd rather trade than sell. Let me know if you need
it.

Best Wishes,
Brad Donner
NC77605






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