Re: Warner starting

Melvyn Hiscock · Post by **Melvyn Hiscock** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 3:06 am

'It is help the limey time again!

I have now done over 60 hours on the Rearwin since it flew
again in March and it is great fun. The 145 Warner is a really nice
motor and chugs along well. I get 115mph at 1800 rpm and
close to 1000fpm at 90 on climb out (550ft field elevation).

My only problem is that it doesn't like starting when it is warm. I
have tried all sorts of combinations of prime/not prime, retard
and swearing and it is still difficult. Cold start is not a problem, it
is not exactly eager but it is fine. Hot is not that bad but warm is a
pig.

Any tips and tricks?

Melvyn Hiscock'

harry hayman · Post by **harry hayman** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 7:26 am

'Sound's like mag coil's breaking down with heat.
Harry

--- Melvyn Hiscock wrote:

> It is help the limey time again!
>
> I have now done over 60 hours on the Rearwin since
> it flew
> again in March and it is great fun. The 145 Warner
> is a really nice
> motor and chugs along well. I get 115mph at 1800 rpm
> and
> close to 1000fpm at 90 on climb out (550ft field
> elevation).
>
> My only problem is that it doesn't like starting
> when it is warm. I
> have tried all sorts of combinations of prime/not
> prime, retard
> and swearing and it is still difficult. Cold start
> is not a problem, it
> is not exactly eager but it is fine. Hot is not that
> bad but warm is a
> pig.
>
> Any tips and tricks?
>
> Melvyn Hiscock
>
>
>
>

Harry Hayman
Phone 904-284-4276
Fax 904-284-3869

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Mike Danielle · Post by **Mike Danielle** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 7:45 am

'Melvyn,
My suggestion would be to check your mags. I had a Ranger with the same
problem and a friend had a Warner do the same thing. Both times the culprit
was bad magneto coils. As soon as we replaced them, the engines started
fine hot or cold. Apparently, the old mags used lacquer coated windings
which break down over the years and suffer internal shorting when they get
hot and the windings expand. My old mags were tested on the bench and after
two hours, there was hardly any spark at all!

Mike in Oregon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Melvyn Hiscock"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 2:06 AM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Warner starting

> It is help the limey time again!
>
> I have now done over 60 hours on the Rearwin since it flew
> again in March and it is great fun. The 145 Warner is a really nice
> motor and chugs along well. I get 115mph at 1800 rpm and
> close to 1000fpm at 90 on climb out (550ft field elevation).
>
> My only problem is that it doesn't like starting when it is warm. I
> have tried all sorts of combinations of prime/not prime, retard
> and swearing and it is still difficult. Cold start is not a problem, it
> is not exactly eager but it is fine. Hot is not that bad but warm is a
> pig.
>
> Any tips and tricks?
>
> Melvyn Hiscock
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Melvyn Hiscock · Post by **Melvyn Hiscock** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 2:08 pm

'Thanks, I will check that out but they only have sixty hours on
them since rebuild. They are fine when they are working and if
the spark was disappearing then the motor would stop when
flying and it certainly shows no signs of that. When it runs it runs
really well and there is only a small drop when each is tested
.The mags were rebuilt before shipment and then I had them
done again here as I was not happy with them.

I have had a hint on another starting procedure that I am going to
try over the weekend as I am hoping it is just dumb limey starting
procedure.

regards,

Melvyn

--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Danielle"
wrote:

>
> Melvyn,
> My suggestion would be to check your mags. I had a Ranger

with the same

> problem and a friend had a Warner do the same thing. Both

times the culprit

> was bad magneto coils. As soon as we replaced them, the

engines started

> fine hot or cold. Apparently, the old mags used lacquer coated

windings

> which break down over the years and suffer internal shorting

when they get

> hot and the windings expand. My old mags were tested on the

bench and after

> two hours, there was hardly any spark at all!
>
> Mike in Oregon
> ----- Original Message ----

'

dcasali · Post by **dcasali** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 10:13 pm

'Hi Melvyn,

I've put about 200 hrs on my 145 (which is approaching 500 hrs total)
and have had no difficulty starting hot or cold. Or warm, I guess. My
home field is at 3700 ft. My mags are safety wired in advanced position,
so that's not a decision I make. On cold start I prime about 6 pumps and
set the mixture to full rich. I usually pump the throttle a few strokes,
then leave it about 1/4 inch out. I hit the starter, count six blades,
and switch the mags to Both. Almost always fires immediately.

Hot start, I generally don't prime. Warm, I give it a shot without
prime. If it doesn't start right up, I prime a couple of strokes and try
again.

Point is, it always fires right up, hot, warm, or cold.

When your engine is being a beast, what do you do that gets it going?

Dan Casali

Melvyn Hiscock wrote:

>It is help the limey time again!
>
>I have now done over 60 hours on the Rearwin since it flew
>again in March and it is great fun. The 145 Warner is a really nice
>motor and chugs along well. I get 115mph at 1800 rpm and
>close to 1000fpm at 90 on climb out (550ft field elevation).
>
>My only problem is that it doesn't like starting when it is warm. I
>have tried all sorts of combinations of prime/not prime, retard
>and swearing and it is still difficult. Cold start is not a problem, it
>is not exactly eager but it is fine. Hot is not that bad but warm is a
>pig.
>
>Any tips and tricks?
>
>Melvyn Hiscock
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--
Dan Casali
MacWizard
Box 1286 Ketchum, ID 83340
208.726.5120

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