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More (very) miscellaneous stuff

Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 5:56 pm
by davestroud
'Some more drivel from my findings today on my new purchase.

A nice letter from Theron Rinehart of the Fairchild Republic Company of Hagerstown
dated Feb 16, 1983 confirmed that DAE was indeed one of a batch of 509 UC-61A
aircraft built for the US AAC under contract W-535-ac-28355. Ser no. 43-14413.

Possibly a world record, I apparently am owner number 24 since this plane was built.
TTAF is only 2061hrs. In fact, the Midland Financial Corp repossessed the plane twice,
once in 1948 and again in 1949. Howard Shelton brought the plane to Canada in 1973
where it became C-FDAE.

A Transport Canada report from 1980 indicated a ground loop accident in Vancouver
and a broken right landing gear strut. They could not determine if the ground loop broke
the strut or the broken strut induced the ground loop. That's what did the right wing in
anyway and carried the right step along with it and the stab. That's why a stab spar
and covering ply came with the package. I did get new spars, leading edge ply and ribs for
the right wing with the deal. The lift struts are near perfect and the wheel pants are like new.
Not likely 'd fit those as I'll probably keep up my tradition of a Military Paint scheme and it'll
probably come out looking like one of the Argus' that went to Britain with the lend lease
program. Multi cammo on top and trainer yellow on the bottom. Cammo can be neat but the
lads at our local field moaned that they could not see my Christavia from above so I resorted
to invasion stripes on the wing tops.

I still haven't found any 337's or whatever on the install of round al. fuselage stringers.

One thing I find interesting is that a weight and balance report from the late '60's showed
an empty weight of 1,821 lbs. What empty weights are you lads seeing, please?

David Stroud, Ottawa, Canada
Christavia C-FDWS
F24 C-FDAE in restoration'

Re: More (very) miscellaneous stuff

Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 6:08 pm
by Al & Terry Rice
'Hi Dave,

I have a (Flying) F-24W 41A advertised for sale on Barnstormers. It's Empty
Weight is 1714 lbs (w/o oil of course). Yours sounds a little heavy unless
it still has the UC-61 equipment installed.

Al

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From: davestroud [mailto:davestroud@rogers.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 4:55 PM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fairchildclub] More (very) miscellaneous stuff


Some more drivel from my findings today on my new purchase.

A nice letter from Theron Rinehart of the Fairchild Republic Company of
Hagerstown
dated Feb 16, 1983 confirmed that DAE was indeed one of a batch of 509
UC-61A
aircraft built for the US AAC under contract W-535-ac-28355. Ser no.
43-14413.

Possibly a world record, I apparently am owner number 24 since this plane
was built.
TTAF is only 2061hrs. In fact, the Midland Financial Corp repossessed the
plane twice,
once in 1948 and again in 1949. Howard Shelton brought the plane to Canada
in 1973
where it became C-FDAE.

A Transport Canada report from 1980 indicated a ground loop accident in
Vancouver
and a broken right landing gear strut. They could not determine if the
ground loop broke
the strut or the broken strut induced the ground loop. That's what did the
right wing in
anyway and carried the right step along with it and the stab. That's why a
stab spar
and covering ply came with the package. I did get new spars, leading edge
ply and ribs for
the right wing with the deal. The lift struts are near perfect and the wheel
pants are like new.
Not likely 'd fit those as I'll probably keep up my tradition of a Military
Paint scheme and it'll
probably come out looking like one of the Argus' that went to Britain with
the lend lease
program. Multi cammo on top and trainer yellow on the bottom. Cammo can be
neat but the
lads at our local field moaned that they could not see my Christavia from
above so I resorted
to invasion stripes on the wing tops.

I still haven't found any 337's or whatever on the install of round al.
fuselage stringers.

One thing I find interesting is that a weight and balance report from the
late '60's showed
an empty weight of 1,821 lbs. What empty weights are you lads seeing,
please?

David Stroud, Ottawa, Canada
Christavia C-FDWS
F24 C-FDAE in restoration



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Re: More (very) miscellaneous stuff

Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 7:13 pm
by davestroud
'Giday, Al. The plane's mostly apart right now so I've no idea what the weight might
come out like after the rebuild but 1,800 + sounded high. I don't see any bomb racks
laying around either. I'll be real weight conscious on the rebuild though and will try to keep
the engine weight down with the direct drive Russian style radial engine.

And by the way, please thank your excellent wife Terry for her input months
ago regarding the size of the cabin and comfort for two for trips etc. She was
instrumental in my decision to go with the 24.

Thanks for your input.

David Stroud, Ottawa, Canada
Christavia C-FDWS
F24 C-FDAE in restoration
----- Original Message -----
From: "Al & Terry Rice"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 7:08 PM
Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] More (very) miscellaneous stuff


>
> Hi Dave,
>
> I have a (Flying) F-24W 41A advertised for sale on Barnstormers. It's Empty
> Weight is 1714 lbs (w/o oil of course). Yours sounds a little heavy unless
> it still has the UC-61 equipment installed.
>
> Al
>
> _____
>
> From: davestroud [mailto:davestroud@rogers.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 4:55 PM
> To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [fairchildclub] More (very) miscellaneous stuff
>
>
> Some more drivel from my findings today on my new purchase.
>
> A nice letter from Theron Rinehart of the Fairchild Republic Company of
> Hagerstown
> dated Feb 16, 1983 confirmed that DAE was indeed one of a batch of 509
> UC-61A
> aircraft built for the US AAC under contract W-535-ac-28355. Ser no.
> 43-14413.
>
> Possibly a world record, I apparently am owner number 24 since this plane
> was built.
> TTAF is only 2061hrs. In fact, the Midland Financial Corp repossessed the
> plane twice,
> once in 1948 and again in 1949. Howard Shelton brought the plane to Canada
> in 1973
> where it became C-FDAE.
>
> A Transport Canada report from 1980 indicated a ground loop accident in
> Vancouver
> and a broken right landing gear strut. They could not determine if the
> ground loop broke
> the strut or the broken strut induced the ground loop. That's what did the
> right wing in
> anyway and carried the right step along with it and the stab. That's why a
> stab spar
> and covering ply came with the package. I did get new spars, leading edge
> ply and ribs for
> the right wing with the deal. The lift struts are near perfect and the wheel
> pants are like new.
> Not likely 'd fit those as I'll probably keep up my tradition of a Military
> Paint scheme and it'll
> probably come out looking like one of the Argus' that went to Britain with
> the lend lease
> program. Multi cammo on top and trainer yellow on the bottom. Cammo can be
> neat but the
> lads at our local field moaned that they could not see my Christavia from
> above so I resorted
> to invasion stripes on the wing tops.
>
> I still haven't found any 337's or whatever on the install of round al.
> fuselage stringers.
>
> One thing I find interesting is that a weight and balance report from the
> late '60's showed
> an empty weight of 1,821 lbs. What empty weights are you lads seeing,
> please?
>
> David Stroud, Ottawa, Canada
> Christavia C-FDWS
> F24 C-FDAE in restoration
>
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miscellaneous stuff.....

Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 8:58 pm
by Chief Russell
'Evening Al & Dave:

The weight "issue" is familiar since we have a 220 Continental on our
Fairchild 24W, N81229, 1946 model. We are looking for certification data to
see if we can go through some FAA DER/DAR to raise the weight in according
with the additional hp. Have flown the old girl just a little since
acquiring it about 3 weeks ago. Matter of fact, since it was almost 70 here
in South Central Kansas today, I did some pattern work and landings.
We are having some "issues" with tail wheel shimmy (on hard surface
runways) and the left brake dragging and locking up. Will be looking to
convert the brakes to disk brakes in the near future.

you all fly safe and enjoy the Fairchild's...

Dick Russell, Wichita, KS

check www.russellaire.com and Fly Safe

-----Original Message-----
From: davestroud [mailto:davestroud@rogers.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 7:12 PM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] More (very) miscellaneous stuff


Giday, Al. The plane's mostly apart right now so I've no idea what the
weight might
come out like after the rebuild but 1,800 + sounded high. I don't see any
bomb racks
laying around either. I'll be real weight conscious on the rebuild though
and will try to keep
the engine weight down with the direct drive Russian style radial engine.

And by the way, please thank your excellent wife Terry for her input
months
ago regarding the size of the cabin and comfort for two for trips etc. She
was
instrumental in my decision to go with the 24.

Thanks for your input.

David Stroud, Ottawa, Canada
Christavia C-FDWS
F24 C-FDAE in restoration
----- Original Message -----
From: "Al & Terry Rice"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 7:08 PM
Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] More (very) miscellaneous stuff


>
> Hi Dave,
>
> I have a (Flying) F-24W 41A advertised for sale on Barnstormers. It's
Empty
> Weight is 1714 lbs (w/o oil of course). Yours sounds a little heavy
unless
> it still has the UC-61 equipment installed.
>
> Al
>
> _____
>
> From: davestroud [mailto:davestroud@rogers.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 4:55 PM
> To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [fairchildclub] More (very) miscellaneous stuff
>
>
> Some more drivel from my findings today on my new purchase.
>
> A nice letter from Theron Rinehart of the Fairchild Republic Company of
> Hagerstown
> dated Feb 16, 1983 confirmed that DAE was indeed one of a batch of 509
> UC-61A
> aircraft built for the US AAC under contract W-535-ac-28355. Ser no.
> 43-14413.
>
> Possibly a world record, I apparently am owner number 24 since this
plane
> was built.
> TTAF is only 2061hrs. In fact, the Midland Financial Corp repossessed
the
> plane twice,
> once in 1948 and again in 1949. Howard Shelton brought the plane to
Canada
> in 1973
> where it became C-FDAE.
>
> A Transport Canada report from 1980 indicated a ground loop accident in
> Vancouver
> and a broken right landing gear strut. They could not determine if the
> ground loop broke
> the strut or the broken strut induced the ground loop. That's what did
the
> right wing in
> anyway and carried the right step along with it and the stab. That's why
a
> stab spar
> and covering ply came with the package. I did get new spars, leading
edge
> ply and ribs for
> the right wing with the deal. The lift struts are near perfect and the
wheel
> pants are like new.
> Not likely 'd fit those as I'll probably keep up my tradition of a
Military
> Paint scheme and it'll
> probably come out looking like one of the Argus' that went to Britain
with
> the lend lease
> program. Multi cammo on top and trainer yellow on the bottom. Cammo can
be
> neat but the
> lads at our local field moaned that they could not see my Christavia
from
> above so I resorted
> to invasion stripes on the wing tops.
>
> I still haven't found any 337's or whatever on the install of round al.
> fuselage stringers.
>
> One thing I find interesting is that a weight and balance report from
the
> late '60's showed
> an empty weight of 1,821 lbs. What empty weights are you lads seeing,
> please?
>
> David Stroud, Ottawa, Canada
> Christavia C-FDWS
> F24 C-FDAE in restoration
>
>
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Re: miscellaneous stuff.....

Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 9:25 pm
by Jamie S. Treat
'Dick,

Good luck on the increased gross weight. Has been tried many times. FAA will
not go to the Mil Gross weight due to the Landing gear.

When you get ready to convert to the Clevelands, give me a call. Changing
the way we have done in the past. Useing Cessna 310 wheels with 210 brakes.
Big change is maching the disc in half and rewelding. Same as the Waco
folks. Doing one now on a WACO YKC. Only way to go if your dead set on
getting rid of the Hayes.

Empty weight on a Ranger post war model should be floating around 1750. The
Warner post war should be 1650 to 1680.

Jamie S. Treat A&P/IA
Aircraft Restoration & Repair
24201 David C. Johnson Loop
Kelly Airpark
Elbert, CO 80106
HM/Shop 303-648-0130
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chief Russell"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 7:58 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] miscellaneous stuff.....


>
> Evening Al & Dave:
>
> The weight "issue" is familiar since we have a 220 Continental on our
> Fairchild 24W, N81229, 1946 model. We are looking for certification data
> to
> see if we can go through some FAA DER/DAR to raise the weight in according
> with the additional hp. Have flown the old girl just a little since
> acquiring it about 3 weeks ago. Matter of fact, since it was almost 70
> here
> in South Central Kansas today, I did some pattern work and landings.
> We are having some "issues" with tail wheel shimmy (on hard surface
> runways) and the left brake dragging and locking up. Will be looking to
> convert the brakes to disk brakes in the near future.
>
> you all fly safe and enjoy the Fairchild's...
>
> Dick Russell, Wichita, KS
>
> check www.russellaire.com and Fly Safe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: davestroud [mailto:davestroud@rogers.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 7:12 PM
> To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] More (very) miscellaneous stuff
>
>
> Giday, Al. The plane's mostly apart right now so I've no idea what the
> weight might
> come out like after the rebuild but 1,800 + sounded high. I don't see
> any
> bomb racks
> laying around either. I'll be real weight conscious on the rebuild though
> and will try to keep
> the engine weight down with the direct drive Russian style radial engine.
>
> And by the way, please thank your excellent wife Terry for her input
> months
> ago regarding the size of the cabin and comfort for two for trips etc.
> She
> was
> instrumental in my decision to go with the 24.
>
> Thanks for your input.
>
> David Stroud, Ottawa, Canada
> Christavia C-FDWS
> F24 C-FDAE in restoration
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Al & Terry Rice"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 7:08 PM
> Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] More (very) miscellaneous stuff
>
>
> >
> > Hi Dave,
> >
> > I have a (Flying) F-24W 41A advertised for sale on Barnstormers. It's
> Empty
> > Weight is 1714 lbs (w/o oil of course). Yours sounds a little heavy
> unless
> > it still has the UC-61 equipment installed.
> >
> > Al
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: davestroud [mailto:davestroud@rogers.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 4:55 PM
> > To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [fairchildclub] More (very) miscellaneous stuff
> >
> >
> > Some more drivel from my findings today on my new purchase.
> >
> > A nice letter from Theron Rinehart of the Fairchild Republic Company of
> > Hagerstown
> > dated Feb 16, 1983 confirmed that DAE was indeed one of a batch of 509
> > UC-61A
> > aircraft built for the US AAC under contract W-535-ac-28355. Ser no.
> > 43-14413.
> >
> > Possibly a world record, I apparently am owner number 24 since this
> plane
> > was built.
> > TTAF is only 2061hrs. In fact, the Midland Financial Corp repossessed
> the
> > plane twice,
> > once in 1948 and again in 1949. Howard Shelton brought the plane to
> Canada
> > in 1973
> > where it became C-FDAE.
> >
> > A Transport Canada report from 1980 indicated a ground loop accident in
> > Vancouver
> > and a broken right landing gear strut. They could not determine if the
> > ground loop broke
> > the strut or the broken strut induced the ground loop. That's what did
> the
> > right wing in
> > anyway and carried the right step along with it and the stab. That's
> why
> a
> > stab spar
> > and covering ply came with the package. I did get new spars, leading
> edge
> > ply and ribs for
> > the right wing with the deal. The lift struts are near perfect and the
> wheel
> > pants are like new.
> > Not likely 'd fit those as I'll probably keep up my tradition of a
> Military
> > Paint scheme and it'll
> > probably come out looking like one of the Argus' that went to Britain
> with
> > the lend lease
> > program. Multi cammo on top and trainer yellow on the bottom. Cammo can
> be
> > neat but the
> > lads at our local field moaned that they could not see my Christavia
> from
> > above so I resorted
> > to invasion stripes on the wing tops.
> >
> > I still haven't found any 337's or whatever on the install of round al.
> > fuselage stringers.
> >
> > One thing I find interesting is that a weight and balance report from
> the
> > late '60's showed
> > an empty weight of 1,821 lbs. What empty weights are you lads seeing,
> > please?
> >
> > David Stroud, Ottawa, Canada
> > Christavia C-FDWS
> > F24 C-FDAE in restoration
> >
> >
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Re: More (very) miscellaneous stuff

Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 2:01 am
by windshieldguy2000
'Dave: Just looked at my airframe logs and my 1946 F-24R (although it
was built as a "W", but re-engined in 1954) had an empty weight of
1780 lbs. The new urethane finishes (which we're using) and lighter
avionics will probably save around 80 lbs, maybe more. I'm also
putting a few more miles on the treadmill every week in hopes to
minimize my own "addition" to empty weight.

Regarding your wheel pants, would you like to sell them? Mine are
fiberglass and I've been wanting to get a set of metal ones. E-mail
me at bdon661*aol.com (just replace the * with @) or call me at (817)
280-9306.

Best Wishes,
Brad Donner
NC77605'