----- Original Message -----
From: "rangerrobertmn"
To:
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 6:42 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Microair and others
> Hello Ranger440c5,
>
> I fly for fun. I truely enjoy flying the Fairchild. My IA tries to
> keep my airplanes legal, and I try to keep his couputer running.
> Life is great. I don't have the slightest worry about what to do
> when my wonderful radio 'poops out'. It is something that I will
> have to address at that time.
>
> I have great admiration for the AUSTRALIANS at MicroAir. The only
> time that I dealt with them the bent way over backwards for me. I
> am VERY impressed by the people in the Microair company. I would
> not hesitate to buy another product from them for another airplane.
>
>
> Happily flying around Stillwater MN and communicating clearly on my
> Microair
>
> Bob Waldron
> 1939 Fairchild 24K
> 1940 Taylorcraft BL-65
> 1941 Piper J-3 F65
>
>
>
> --- In
fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "ranger440c5"
> wrote:
> > Good morning Bob,
> > Apparrently your mechanic/IA believes also that it required
> > approval. Your Microair is part of an approved INSTALLATION.
> > However, if it poops out won't it need to be approved again? The
> blk
> > 3 sign off is good for that single installation only using the
> exact
> > parts only for the initial installation is it not? So if some of
> > those parts were not previously approved and they are to be
> replaced
> > don't they need to be approved again? This would seem the case
> since
> > if a radio is non-TSO'd there are no Aviation Agency related
> > specifications it is required to meet and therefore no assurance
> of
> > part to part consistency other than the manufacturer's own (in
> this
> > instance, an Australian firm, who is holding their feet to the
> fire?).
> >
> >
> > --- In
fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "rangerrobertmn"
> > wrote:
> > > Hello Ranger440c5,
> > >
> > > I have a Microair Electronics tranciever installed in my
> Fairchild
> > > 24. I have a 337 on which Block #3 is signed and dated
> 4/10/2000,
> > > and Block #7 is signed and dated 4-21-00.
> > >
> > > Bob Waldron
> > > 1939 Fairchild 24 K
> > > Stillwater, MN
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In
fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "ranger440c5"
>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Thanks for the response.
> > > > So to install a Microair you need a "field approval". The
> > > proceedure
> > > > you described for this is EXACTLY how to handle such
> operations.
> > I
> > > > have run this route on many blk 3 approvals and it works well.
> > > Well
> > > > done.
> > > > The question lies in it's necessity. I have received a
> response
> > > from
> > > > a member stating that pt91 operations require no TSO.
> Welllllll,
> > > yes
> > > > and no. The ELT has to be TSO-C91a and this is in pt 91 ops.
> So
> > pt
> > > 91
> > > > does require TSO'd equipment. I think the answer to this is a
> > > little
> > > > between the lines. Though not clearly stated, we must equate
> > > > that "approved articles" (ref pt 21) means it meets the
> > applicable
> > > > TSO for that article. In other words, to be "previously
> approved
> > > by
> > > > the agency" it meets a TSO? Therefore TSO'd. If installing an
> > > article
> > > > in a normal catagory aircraft, if not supplied by the aircraft
> > > > manufacturer, then must be previously approved(TSO) by the
> Agency
> > > > (FAA). Based on this I am inclined to agree with you Jaime(and
> > our
> > > > local FSDO).
> > > > The jist is this, for owners who want to have an item
> installed,
> > > the
> > > > lesscostly non-TSO item may cost more when installed and
> > paperwork
> > > is
> > > > processed and there is a downtime factor while awaiting
> possible
> > > > delays in the approval process. Remember what Jaime stated
> fill
> > > out a
> > > > 337, acquire supporting data, apply for approval, THEN order
> > > > hardware, install, and lastly file said paperwork.
> > > > So how many of the Microair owners out there have a 337 with
> blk
> > > 3
> > > > signed and dated BEFORE the IA signed and dated blk7?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In
fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Jamie S. Treat"
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > All,
> > > > >
> > > > > As an IA I do it this way.
> > > > >
> > > > > If it has an TSO or FAA/PMA then it can go legally on the
> > > aircraft.
> > > > It may
> > > > > or may not require a FAA based on a STC. At a minium it will
> > > > require
> > > > > logbook, W&B, and equiplist update.
> > > > >
> > > > > If it is not an TSO or FAA/PMA approved item, it will
> require
> > at
> > > > the minium.
> > > > > FAA 337, field approval, with continuation of airworthness
> to
> > be
> > > > completed,
> > > > > any and all data the FAA may need to accompany the FAA 337
> for
> > > > block 3
> > > > > endorsement.
> > > > >
> > > > > Take for instance the installation of a Non FAA/PMA approved
> > nor
> > > > TSOd engine
> > > > > preoiler. I am doing three of them right now. I will submitt
> a
> > > > unsigned FAA
> > > > > 337 completed with all the data including photos, tech data,
> > and
> > > > drawings to
> > > > > the FAA for block 3 approval. If approved I will then
> purchase
> > > > hardware and
> > > > > install. I as the IA will return to service after install.
> > > > >
> > > > > Point is, you must work with your FAA office and work out
> the
> > > > details prior
> > > > > to purchase and install. Providing them the correct data in
> a
> > > > logical sense
> > > > > has never let me down in 25 years.
> > > > >
> > > > > Please feel free to call me for assistance. Advice is free.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jamie S. Treat A&P/IA
> > > > > Aircraft Restoration & Repair
> > > > > 24201 David C. Johnson Loop
> > > > > Kelly Airpark
> > > > > Elbert, CO 80106
> > > > > HM/Shop 303-648-0130
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "ranger440c5"
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 8:55 AM
> > > > > Subject: [fairchildclub] Microair and others
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > While on the subject of the Microair radios I have a
> question
> > > > > > regarding these and similar items. For those out there with
> > > > > > regulation prowess and a penchant for proper paperwork.....
> > > > > > Can someone explain how the TSO rating on these appliances
> > > impacts
> > > > > > installation? EXACTLY what this means as far as can it be
> > > legally
> > > > > > installed in normal catagory aircraft? How is this getting
> > > done? I
> > > > > > understand the TSO is there to assure the item meets
> certain
> > > > criteria
> > > > > > for the given appliance and as such if an item is not
> TSO'd
> > > > (Microair
> > > > > > products are not) then is it legal for installation in a
> > normal
> > > > > > standard aircraft? Smaller items such as gages that are
> not
> > > TSO'd
> > > > are
> > > > > > usually intended for experimental applications. It appears
> to
> > > me
> > > > that
> > > > > > this is a quasi problem, a real gray area that could go
> > either
> > > way
> > > > > > depending on the FSDO. I get the feeling that our FSDO
> leans
> > > > toward
> > > > > > the direction of NO, if it is not TSO'd then the only way
> > it's
> > > > going
> > > > > > in the plane is by field approval. I have seen lots of
> these
> > > non
> > > > > > TSO'd items in planes and I wonder if anyone has actually
> > > > processed
> > > > > > this correctly. Did they simply throw it in there and
> fill
> > > out a
> > > > > > 337? It goes through the FSDO w/o any scrutiny? I have
> asked
> > > many
> > > > > > IA's about this and get responses from shoulder shrug
> beats
> > me
> > > to
> > > > I
> > > > > > dunno. An item to relate to is seatbelts. I don't think
> there
> > > is
> > > > an
> > > > > > IA in the world that would install or sign off an airplane
> > > (non-
> > > > > > experimental) with out TSO'd belts. They all seem to know
> > > about
> > > > this
> > > > > > one, but what about the avionics? I have avoided these non-
> > > TSO'd
> > > > > > products to bypass any of the above concerns as it
> appeared
> > to
> > > be
> > > > the
> > > > > > only surefire way to stay clear of unforseen pitfalls. If
> > this
> > > > matter
> > > > > > were definitively put to rest, it would certainly open up
> some
> > > > > > alternative sources.
> > > > > > How about it? EXACTLY how does this work?
> > > > > >
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