Fairchild Club Forum

Posted: **Fri Aug 03, 2001 7:08 pm**

'Group: I will probably not win any friends with this e-mail, but it has to be said.

In one of the latest e-mails on this group site, I read about inquiries about availability of diamond tread pattern tires for the F-24. I suppose the only reason for wanting diamond tread pattern tires is because that was what was on the airplane when it was new.

But, I wonder if these same people who are interested in authenticity in tread design, also use the original instruemnts and radios that were in the 24 when it was new. And I wonder if any of these same people have used Fiberglas for fairings and cowling pieces? Or cotton fabric with nitrate dope finish?

Let's face it, about the only thing these people seem to be interested in is to restore a 24 to win trophies. Most of these restorations by professional restorers never looked like the original airplane did when it came from the factory. These restorations may win trophies, but they are not indicative of what the airplane looked like when it was new.

Why not just rebuild a 24 to be a good flying machine and not worry about whether it has a moonglow instrument light in the cabin or diamond tread pattern tires?

Earl W. Swaney
earln28645@aol.com'

Posted: **Sat Aug 04, 2001 8:37 am**

'--- In fairchildclub@y..., EarlN28645@a... wrote:

> Group: I will probably not win any friends with this e-mail, but

it has to be said.
SNIP

> Why not just rebuild a 24 to be a good flying machine and not worry

about whether it has a moonglow instrument light in the cabin or
diamond tread pattern tires?

>
>
> Earl W. Swaney
> earln28645@a...

I am kinda new to the fairchild, and asked what a moon Glow Light
was Because I had never seen one. I am making My Fairchild 24-G a
flyer, But I want it to look great too, I talked to Caleb Curry
at "Radials Engines" and now know a bunch that I didn't before, he
was a great help. My Mag manual is on the way, along with the correct
Mag harness.
The new shielded harness and the new shielded "P" leads sholud stop
the radio noises.
This is a great place to exchange Ideas, and get the phone numbers
we new bees need.'

Posted: **Sat Aug 04, 2001 11:49 pm**

'Response:

Earl,

I agree with what you say! I am very glad that I am not one of them.
You missed the point or made up your own, I will get to that later.
This brings to mind what John Berendt mentioned last week at Oshkosh.
A few years ago when a Cessna 195 owner spent lots of time and money
on his restoration to find out he did not have the orginal type door
sill plates in his pride and joy. He found another 195 that had the
correct ones and asked the owner if he could borrow them for the
judging. The owner said no, and that night the 195 owner took it upon
himself to remove and install them on his bird. Of couse he got
caught and the rest was up to the authorities. This man needs to find
another hobby.

Now for me when it comes to restoration (which I have over 20), I
break it down like this. First comes Saftey, with this may come
shoulder harness, updated wireing, Dacron, Cleveland brakes and so
on. Then comes useability and maintainability. If I can install a nut
plate that will assist me in maintenance than so be it. Something as
simple as SS Philips head screws are a must, I don't like rusted
heads. So out with the old steel sloted. It is enjoyable for me to
research and return an aircraft to the air and get it close to
factory specs, but a fun, safe and practicable airplane is a must.
The only people I need to please is myself and or the owners. The
judges can move onto someone else. Now, I have had owners wanting the
100 point airplane, but they soon release that is not the best. If
you want a static piece then press on, I want my birds to fly.

Now as for tires. I am aways in need of new tires, I do fly the old F-
24 otherwise I would sell it and put the money in a 401k account. I
don't care what tires are on my F-24, as long as there round and
rotate. But when I find a company that is willing to invest $23,000
or more in the tooling and all they ask is some firm orders from the
field, I am all for it. That is what free enterprise and the good ole
USA is about. In addition, I know for sure that the PT Series
aircraft that are flying just don't have the same look with ribed
tires as they would Diamond type. That would be like putting Tractor
tires on my 68 Ford Mustang Conv (which I restored to drive not
show). "Soxs on a Roaster comes to mind"
Also, If I'm going to spend $120.00 on a tire, I would rather have
what I want. Same goes for the SC Tail Wheel tire.

Over to you,

Sincerely

Jamie S. Treat
Aircraft Restoration & Repair

--- In fairchildclub@y..., EarlN28645@a... wrote:
> Group: I will probably not win any friends with this e-mail, but
it has to be said.
>
> In one of the latest e-mails on this group site, I read about
inquiries about availability of diamond tread pattern tires for the F-
24. I suppose the only reason for wanting diamond tread pattern
tires is because that was what was on the airplane when it was new.
>
> But, I wonder if these same people who are interested in
authenticity in tread design, also use the original instruemnts and
radios that were in the 24 when it was new. And I wonder if any of
these same people have used Fiberglas for fairings and cowling
pieces? Or cotton fabric with nitrate dope finish?
>
> Let's face it, about the only thing these people seem to be
interested in is to restore a 24 to win trophies. Most of these
restorations by professional restorers never looked like the original
airplane did when it came from the factory. These restorations may
win trophies, but they are not indicative of what the airplane looked
like when it was new.
>
> Why not just rebuild a 24 to be a good flying machine and not worry
about whether it has a moonglow instrument light in the cabin or
diamond tread pattern tires?
>
>
> Earl W. Swaney
> earln28645@a...

'

Posted: **Fri Aug 10, 2001 1:19 pm**

'I was reading over your message. After looking at my Fairchild, that I am
attempting to rebuild, not restore. I can see that if anyone were to
correctly restore a Fairchild 24, especially one from the post war era, it
would be easy to be true to what they did at Temco, in Texas, they did just
about anything. As an example, I have 3 different patterns of aluminum
material used in the manufacture of scuff plated inside the cabin.. There
is multiple thickness of material utilized on the different fairings around
the landing gear area. Some are anodized and some are not. And some have
OD green paint on them . Especially for Post war, what is original.
I haven't read all my e-mail from the last few weeks, in case someone else
didn't say, the Moon Glow is an Ultra-violet lamp, with variable intensity,
and is manufactured in size and shape similar to an ordinary cockpit lamp.
I think if you don't have the original RADIUM dial guages installed, the
Moon Glow would not be especially useful. I may use the one that I have,
but will put an ordinary incandescent lamp in it.

----- Original Message -----
From: Jamie S. Treat
To:
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 10:49 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Diamond tread pattern tires

> Response:
>
> Earl,
>
> I agree with what you say! I am very glad that I am not one of them.
> You missed the point or made up your own, I will get to that later.
> This brings to mind what John Berendt mentioned last week at Oshkosh.
> A few years ago when a Cessna 195 owner spent lots of time and money
> on his restoration to find out he did not have the orginal type door
> sill plates in his pride and joy. He found another 195 that had the
> correct ones and asked the owner if he could borrow them for the
> judging. The owner said no, and that night the 195 owner took it upon
> himself to remove and install them on his bird. Of couse he got
> caught and the rest was up to the authorities. This man needs to find
> another hobby.
>
> Now for me when it comes to restoration (which I have over 20), I
> break it down like this. First comes Saftey, with this may come
> shoulder harness, updated wireing, Dacron, Cleveland brakes and so
> on. Then comes useability and maintainability. If I can install a nut
> plate that will assist me in maintenance than so be it. Something as
> simple as SS Philips head screws are a must, I don't like rusted
> heads. So out with the old steel sloted. It is enjoyable for me to
> research and return an aircraft to the air and get it close to
> factory specs, but a fun, safe and practicable airplane is a must.
> The only people I need to please is myself and or the owners. The
> judges can move onto someone else. Now, I have had owners wanting the
> 100 point airplane, but they soon release that is not the best. If
> you want a static piece then press on, I want my birds to fly.
>
> Now as for tires. I am aways in need of new tires, I do fly the old F-
> 24 otherwise I would sell it and put the money in a 401k account. I
> don't care what tires are on my F-24, as long as there round and
> rotate. But when I find a company that is willing to invest $23,000
> or more in the tooling and all they ask is some firm orders from the
> field, I am all for it. That is what free enterprise and the good ole
> USA is about. In addition, I know for sure that the PT Series
> aircraft that are flying just don't have the same look with ribed
> tires as they would Diamond type. That would be like putting Tractor
> tires on my 68 Ford Mustang Conv (which I restored to drive not
> show). "Soxs on a Roaster comes to mind"
> Also, If I'm going to spend $120.00 on a tire, I would rather have
> what I want. Same goes for the SC Tail Wheel tire.
>
> Over to you,
>
> Sincerely
>
> Jamie S. Treat
> Aircraft Restoration & Repair
>
>
> --- In fairchildclub@y..., EarlN28645@a... wrote:
> > Group: I will probably not win any friends with this e-mail, but
> it has to be said.
> >
> > In one of the latest e-mails on this group site, I read about
> inquiries about availability of diamond tread pattern tires for the F-
> 24. I suppose the only reason for wanting diamond tread pattern
> tires is because that was what was on the airplane when it was new.
> >
> > But, I wonder if these same people who are interested in
> authenticity in tread design, also use the original instruemnts and
> radios that were in the 24 when it was new. And I wonder if any of
> these same people have used Fiberglas for fairings and cowling
> pieces? Or cotton fabric with nitrate dope finish?
> >
> > Let's face it, about the only thing these people seem to be
> interested in is to restore a 24 to win trophies. Most of these
> restorations by professional restorers never looked like the original
> airplane did when it came from the factory. These restorations may
> win trophies, but they are not indicative of what the airplane looked
> like when it was new.
> >
> > Why not just rebuild a 24 to be a good flying machine and not worry
> about whether it has a moonglow instrument light in the cabin or
> diamond tread pattern tires?
> >
> >
> > Earl W. Swaney
> > earln28645@a...
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> fairchildclub-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

'

Posted: **Fri Aug 10, 2001 3:08 pm**

'Robert,

I just looked at the Moon Glo Engineering drawing DWG # 41447 on the CD ROM. I was interested in seeing what one looked like. Doing Hyper Text Links today. You got that right when it came to Temco building airplanes, no consistency at all. Mine has a little of everything.

If you want the Diamond Plate or the Dot Plate for the skid plates go to the Data section of the Egroup and locate Rigidized Metals. I just order three 4' X 4' sheets, not cheap. They were the orginal supplier back the 30's and 40's.

Jamie'

Posted: **Fri Aug 10, 2001 5:23 pm**

'So are we going to get the diamond tread tires? Put me down for two.
Ken Carpenter

-----Original Message-----
From: robert Etter [mailto:rletter@sierra.net]
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 3:23 PM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: Diamond tread pattern tires

I was reading over your message. After looking at my Fairchild, that I am
attempting to rebuild, not restore. I can see that if anyone were to
correctly restore a Fairchild 24, especially one from the post war era, it
would be easy to be true to what they did at Temco, in Texas, they did just
about anything. As an example, I have 3 different patterns of aluminum
material used in the manufacture of scuff plated inside the cabin.. There
is multiple thickness of material utilized on the different fairings around
the landing gear area. Some are anodized and some are not. And some have
OD green paint on them . Especially for Post war, what is original.
I haven't read all my e-mail from the last few weeks, in case someone else
didn't say, the Moon Glow is an Ultra-violet lamp, with variable intensity,
and is manufactured in size and shape similar to an ordinary cockpit lamp.
I think if you don't have the original RADIUM dial guages installed, the
Moon Glow would not be especially useful. I may use the one that I have,
but will put an ordinary incandescent lamp in it.

----- Original Message -----
From: Jamie S. Treat
To:
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 10:49 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Diamond tread pattern tires

> Response:
>
> Earl,
>
> I agree with what you say! I am very glad that I am not one of them.
> You missed the point or made up your own, I will get to that later.
> This brings to mind what John Berendt mentioned last week at Oshkosh.
> A few years ago when a Cessna 195 owner spent lots of time and money
> on his restoration to find out he did not have the orginal type door
> sill plates in his pride and joy. He found another 195 that had the
> correct ones and asked the owner if he could borrow them for the
> judging. The owner said no, and that night the 195 owner took it upon
> himself to remove and install them on his bird. Of couse he got
> caught and the rest was up to the authorities. This man needs to find
> another hobby.
>
> Now for me when it comes to restoration (which I have over 20), I
> break it down like this. First comes Saftey, with this may come
> shoulder harness, updated wireing, Dacron, Cleveland brakes and so
> on. Then comes useability and maintainability. If I can install a nut
> plate that will assist me in maintenance than so be it. Something as
> simple as SS Philips head screws are a must, I don't like rusted
> heads. So out with the old steel sloted. It is enjoyable for me to
> research and return an aircraft to the air and get it close to
> factory specs, but a fun, safe and practicable airplane is a must.
> The only people I need to please is myself and or the owners. The
> judges can move onto someone else. Now, I have had owners wanting the
> 100 point airplane, but they soon release that is not the best. If
> you want a static piece then press on, I want my birds to fly.
>
> Now as for tires. I am aways in need of new tires, I do fly the old F-
> 24 otherwise I would sell it and put the money in a 401k account. I
> don't care what tires are on my F-24, as long as there round and
> rotate. But when I find a company that is willing to invest $23,000
> or more in the tooling and all they ask is some firm orders from the
> field, I am all for it. That is what free enterprise and the good ole
> USA is about. In addition, I know for sure that the PT Series
> aircraft that are flying just don't have the same look with ribed
> tires as they would Diamond type. That would be like putting Tractor
> tires on my 68 Ford Mustang Conv (which I restored to drive not
> show). "Soxs on a Roaster comes to mind"
> Also, If I'm going to spend $120.00 on a tire, I would rather have
> what I want. Same goes for the SC Tail Wheel tire.
>
> Over to you,
>
> Sincerely
>
> Jamie S. Treat
> Aircraft Restoration & Repair
>
>
> --- In fairchildclub@y..., EarlN28645@a... wrote:
> > Group: I will probably not win any friends with this e-mail, but
> it has to be said.
> >
> > In one of the latest e-mails on this group site, I read about
> inquiries about availability of diamond tread pattern tires for the F-
> 24. I suppose the only reason for wanting diamond tread pattern
> tires is because that was what was on the airplane when it was new.
> >
> > But, I wonder if these same people who are interested in
> authenticity in tread design, also use the original instruemnts and
> radios that were in the 24 when it was new. And I wonder if any of
> these same people have used Fiberglas for fairings and cowling
> pieces? Or cotton fabric with nitrate dope finish?
> >
> > Let's face it, about the only thing these people seem to be
> interested in is to restore a 24 to win trophies. Most of these
> restorations by professional restorers never looked like the original
> airplane did when it came from the factory. These restorations may
> win trophies, but they are not indicative of what the airplane looked
> like when it was new.
> >
> > Why not just rebuild a 24 to be a good flying machine and not worry
> about whether it has a moonglow instrument light in the cabin or
> diamond tread pattern tires?
> >
> >
> > Earl W. Swaney
> > earln28645@a...
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> fairchildclub-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
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>
>

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Posted: **Fri Aug 10, 2001 6:59 pm**

'Ken,

Send your order to Desser Tire. They are creating a want list. Also for the
SC Tail Wheel Tire.

Sincerely,

Jamie S. Treat A&P/IA

Visit my Aviation Web Site:
http://hometown.aol.com/ftreat9191/AIRCRAFTRESTORATIONREPAIRindex.html">AIRCRAFT RESTORATION & REPAIR

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Posted: **Fri Aug 10, 2001 10:33 pm**

'Thanks about the diamond plate. I've just about finished up with all the
items using that material. I just finished making the large step plated on
the tri-pod fairings. I made new scuff plate for the top, bottom and rear
of the door frames and the top of the wheel fairings. Also the bottom of
the front door post, a trim ring around the opening for the sticks (optional
bit of pretty). It's a 3/4" wide ring, with a 1/4" down turn on the inside
edge. The only thing that remains, is to do something tasteful in the form
of a combination scuff plates in front of the rudder pedals and around the
pedals openings. Something to give a good finished look to the area.
RE: the E-bay sale of a Curtiss Reed, some time back. Could that have been
something that they made at the end of WWII or Post war? I have no idea as
to when Curtiss Reed stopped making props or at least the fixed pitch
models.

----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: Diamond tread pattern tires

> Robert,
>
> I just looked at the Moon Glo Engineering drawing DWG # 41447 on the CD
ROM. I was interested in seeing what one looked like. Doing Hyper Text Links
today. You got that right when it came to Temco building airplanes, no
consistency at all. Mine has a little of everything.
>
> If you want the Diamond Plate or the Dot Plate for the skid plates go to
the Data section of the Egroup and locate Rigidized Metals. I just order
three 4' X 4' sheets, not cheap. They were the orginal supplier back the
30's and 40's.
>
> Jamie
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> fairchildclub-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

'

Posted: **Sat Aug 11, 2001 8:54 am**

'I remember the Curtiss on EBay. It was an uncut, perfect for the Waco on
floats. The history on Curtiss is fussy at best. Unknown who owns the TC and
prod rights.

Sincerely,

Jamie S. Treat A&P/IA

Visit my Aviation Web Site:
http://hometown.aol.com/ftreat9191/AIRCRAFTRESTORATIONREPAIRindex.html">AIRCRAFT RESTORATION & REPAIR

Come Meet My Family:
http://hometown.aol.com/ftreat9191/TreatFamilyHomePage.html">THE TREAT FAMILY

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