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Re: Ranger Engine on PT-19

Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 7:43 pm
by Jack Threadgill
'Dan, as I have studied the issue, I felt I could get at the plug with an
open end like you described. I have not tried it yet, but it certainly
looks possible. I have taken the nut off the top of the plug, but the right
angle connector hits the carb before it gets out enough to remove the
cigarette from the plug. It is possible, I guess that if the plug was
loosened a bit, it would wiggle enough and lean over to remove the cigarette
and elbow. If the cigarette was flexible, it would come out, but on my
engine it is ridged.

I pulled the plugs out late this afternoon and when I hit #4, I decided to
call it a day. So I have not given it a lot of study yet.

I sure thank you for your input and suggestions.

Jack

Jack Threadgill
1602 Brook Hollow Dr
Bryan, TX 77802
979-779-7155
threadgl@suddenlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of danMichael
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 7:27 PM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Cc: threadgl@suddenlink.net
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Ranger Engine on PT-19

Jack:
> I need suggestions on how to remove the left hand spark plug from
> the #4
> cylinder on a Ranger engine mounted in a PT-19. Do you have to
> remove the
> carburetor, or is there an easier way? So far, I have not even been
> able to
> get the elbow connector off the top of the plug.
>
Ah, yes, the intake side #4 spark plug. Its my favorite. I have a
24 but I assume its the same situation on the PT.

My technique is to loosen the intercylinder baffle that the #4 plug
passes through by unscrewing its long retaining bolt (that fastens to
its paired exhaust-side baffle). That allows you to slide the baffle
outboard along the plug body and then access the plug flats with an
open end wrench inserted from below between the intake manifold
branches. There is just enough travel to turn the wrench to align
the wrench with the next flats offset the other way (flipped over).
Its agonizingly slow but it eventually gets the job done. Dont drop
the baffle when removing the plug.

I dont remember an issue with getting the elbow off. I cant remember
if I get that from below, too - its been at least a couple months
since replacing that plug.

Good luck!

:Dan Michael
:NC81323




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Re: Ranger Engine on PT-19

Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:16 pm
by rangerrobertmn
'Jack,

On mine, the elbow connector is a two-piece affair. Once the nut is
loose, I can slide the nut back up the ignition wire. The cigarette
is hard porcelain, and one edge of the cigarette near the plug is
chipped off about 45 degrees.

Bob Waldron
1939 Fairchild 24K
Sky Harbor airpark
Webster, Minnesota U.S.A.



--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Threadgill"
wrote:
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> Another question from a new owner.
>
>
>
> I need suggestions on how to remove the left hand spark plug from the #4
> cylinder on a Ranger engine mounted in a PT-19. Do you have to
remove the
> carburetor, or is there an easier way? So far, I have not even been
able to
> get the elbow connector off the top of the plug.
>
>
>
> Thanks for any and all suggestions.
>
>
>
> Jack
>
>
>
> Jack Threadgill
>
> 1602 Brook Hollow Dr
>
> Bryan, TX 77802
>
> 979-779-7155
>
> threadgl@...
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Ranger Engine on PT-19

Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:27 pm
by Jack Threadgill
'Bob, the cigarette is hard material on mine as you describe. There are two
nuts on the lead. One above the elbow and one at the plug. The flexible
lead is pushed thru the metal elbow and attached to the cigarette. The
first nut attaches the shield to the metal elbow. I will study the
cigarette more carefully and see if mine has a chipped off side to allow it
to make the corner.



Thanks so much for your insight and info.



Jack



Jack Threadgill

1602 Brook Hollow Dr

Bryan, TX 77802

979-779-7155

threadgl@suddenlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of rangerrobertmn
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 8:16 PM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Ranger Engine on PT-19



Jack,

On mine, the elbow connector is a two-piece affair. Once the nut is
loose, I can slide the nut back up the ignition wire. The cigarette
is hard porcelain, and one edge of the cigarette near the plug is
chipped off about 45 degrees.

Bob Waldron
1939 Fairchild 24K
Sky Harbor airpark
Webster, Minnesota U.S.A.

--- In fairchildclub@
yahoogroups.com, "Jack Threadgill"
wrote:
>
> Another question from a new owner.
>
>
>
> I need suggestions on how to remove the left hand spark plug from the #4
> cylinder on a Ranger engine mounted in a PT-19. Do you have to
remove the
> carburetor, or is there an easier way? So far, I have not even been
able to
> get the elbow connector off the top of the plug.
>
>
>
> Thanks for any and all suggestions.
>
>
>
> Jack
>
>
>
> Jack Threadgill
>
> 1602 Brook Hollow Dr
>
> Bryan, TX 77802
>
> 979-779-7155
>
> threadgl@...
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>




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Re: Ranger Engine on PT-19

Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:16 pm
by norbert J. Mc Luckie
'There was a posting, some time ago, giving the details to make a wrench, made to reach that plug. I have to take the carburetor off or seriously loose, in order to remove that plug.

Lucky
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Threadgill
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 7:53 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Ranger Engine on PT-19


Another question from a new owner.

I need suggestions on how to remove the left hand spark plug from the #4
cylinder on a Ranger engine mounted in a PT-19. Do you have to remove the
carburetor, or is there an easier way? So far, I have not even been able to
get the elbow connector off the top of the plug.

Thanks for any and all suggestions.

Jack

Jack Threadgill

1602 Brook Hollow Dr

Bryan, TX 77802

979-779-7155

threadgl@suddenlink.net

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Re: Headsets for open cockpits

Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:31 pm
by Tim Epperhart
'I use my David Clark H20-13s with the ENC turned off in my PT.  They have excellent passive noise canceling abilities.  Hit the web and look at the noise reduction specs on different models that you are interested in.  If you fly other aircraft, I recommend the ENC.  If it's just the PT, then get a high quality passive set.  Make sure it fits your head well..  Glasses and sunglasses cause gaps between your head and earcups and let noise in, minimizing the effectiveness of your headset, so check the fit there as well.  Taking extra care to choose a headset will minimize fatigue on long flights.

Good luck! 
Tim



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From: Jack Threadgill
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 9:05:19 AM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Headsets for open cockpits


Good morning,

I am a fairly new owner of a Fairchild PT-19 and have been trying several
headsets. I have been told the noise canceling sets don't work very well in
the open cockpits. I would appreciate any comments or suggestions on
successful models of headsets to be used in a PT-19.

Thanks,

Jack

Jack Threadgill

1602 Brook Hollow Dr

Bryan, TX 77802

979-779-7155

threadgl@suddenlink .net

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Re: Ranger Engine on PT-19

Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 3:15 pm
by Robert Webster
'Check the Spring of 1992 and the Spring of 1997 Newsletters. I think I like the one in 1997 better, but your choice

Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Norbert J. Mc Luckie
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Ranger Engine on PT-19


There was a posting, some time ago, giving the details to make a wrench, made to reach that plug. I have to take the carburetor off or seriously loose, in order to remove that plug.

Lucky
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Threadgill
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 7:53 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Ranger Engine on PT-19

Another question from a new owner.

I need suggestions on how to remove the left hand spark plug from the #4
cylinder on a Ranger engine mounted in a PT-19. Do you have to remove the
carburetor, or is there an easier way? So far, I have not even been able to
get the elbow connector off the top of the plug.

Thanks for any and all suggestions.

Jack

Jack Threadgill

1602 Brook Hollow Dr

Bryan, TX 77802

979-779-7155

threadgl@suddenlink.net

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Re: Ranger Engine on PT-19

Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 5:08 pm
by Jamie Treat
'Lucky,

See attached pics of Ranger Plug Wrench.


Jamie

Jamie S. Treat
Aircraft Restoration & Repair
IAC 5, Chapter President
http://iac5.org
Kelly Airpark (CO15)
24201 David C. Johnson Loop
Elbert, CO 80106

New Email: JamieTreat@q.com
Hm/Hgr 303-648-0130
Cell 303-304-7937

Quote of the Month: If helicopters are so safe, how come there are no vintage/classic
helicopter fly-ins? - Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: Norbert J. Mc Luckie
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Ranger Engine on PT-19


There was a posting, some time ago, giving the details to make a wrench, made to reach that plug. I have to take the carburetor off or seriously loose, in order to remove that plug.

Lucky
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Threadgill
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 7:53 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Ranger Engine on PT-19

Another question from a new owner.

I need suggestions on how to remove the left hand spark plug from the #4
cylinder on a Ranger engine mounted in a PT-19. Do you have to remove the
carburetor, or is there an easier way? So far, I have not even been able to
get the elbow connector off the top of the plug.

Thanks for any and all suggestions.

Jack

Jack Threadgill

1602 Brook Hollow Dr

Bryan, TX 77802

979-779-7155

threadgl@suddenlink.net

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Re: Ranger Engine on PT-19

Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 7:00 pm
by Cy Galley
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----- Original Message -----
From: Jamie Treat
To: threadgl@suddenlink.net
Cc: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Ranger Engine on PT-19


Lucky,

See attached pics of Ranger Plug Wrench.

Jamie

Jamie S. Treat
Aircraft Restoration & Repair
IAC 5, Chapter President
http://iac5.org
Kelly Airpark (CO15)
24201 David C. Johnson Loop
Elbert, CO 80106

New Email: JamieTreat@q.com
Hm/Hgr 303-648-0130
Cell 303-304-7937

Quote of the Month: If helicopters are so safe, how come there are no vintage/classic
helicopter fly-ins? - Anonymous

----- Original Message -----
From: Norbert J. Mc Luckie
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Ranger Engine on PT-19

There was a posting, some time ago, giving the details to make a wrench, made to reach that plug. I have to take the carburetor off or seriously loose, in order to remove that plug.

Lucky
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Threadgill
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 7:53 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Ranger Engine on PT-19

Another question from a new owner.

I need suggestions on how to remove the left hand spark plug from the #4
cylinder on a Ranger engine mounted in a PT-19. Do you have to remove the
carburetor, or is there an easier way? So far, I have not even been able to
get the elbow connector off the top of the plug.

Thanks for any and all suggestions.

Jack

Jack Threadgill

1602 Brook Hollow Dr

Bryan, TX 77802

979-779-7155

threadgl@suddenlink.net

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Re: Ranger Engine on PT-19

Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 7:12 pm
by Jack Threadgill
'Bob, thanks for the suggestion on newsletters. I will look them up.



Jack



Jack Threadgill

1602 Brook Hollow Dr

Bryan, TX 77802

979-779-7155

threadgl@suddenlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Robert Webster
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:50 PM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Ranger Engine on PT-19



Check the Spring of 1992 and the Spring of 1997 Newsletters. I think I like
the one in 1997 better, but your choice

Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Norbert J. Mc Luckie
To: fairchildclub@ yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Ranger Engine on PT-19

There was a posting, some time ago, giving the details to make a wrench,
made to reach that plug. I have to take the carburetor off or seriously
loose, in order to remove that plug.

Lucky
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Threadgill
To: fairchildclub@ yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 7:53 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Ranger Engine on PT-19

Another question from a new owner.

I need suggestions on how to remove the left hand spark plug from the #4
cylinder on a Ranger engine mounted in a PT-19. Do you have to remove the
carburetor, or is there an easier way? So far, I have not even been able to
get the elbow connector off the top of the plug.

Thanks for any and all suggestions.

Jack

Jack Threadgill

1602 Brook Hollow Dr

Bryan, TX 77802

979-779-7155

threadgl@suddenlink .net

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F24R9 main gear universala

Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:39 am
by harry hayman
'Need help
I have been told tht these universals must be changed out for beffier ones.Is this true?
I have researched and find only one AD (47 50 09)Which does not pertain to the universals.
Any info would be appreciate any imput on this matter
Harrry

Harry Hayman
Phone 904-284-4276
Fax 904-284-3869
--- On Sun, 11/16/08, Jamie Treat wrote:

From: Jamie Treat
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Ranger Engine on PT-19
To: threadgl@suddenlink.net
Cc: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 6:08 PM






Lucky,

See attached pics of Ranger Plug Wrench.

Jamie

Jamie S. Treat
Aircraft Restoration & Repair
IAC 5, Chapter President
http://iac5. org
Kelly Airpark (CO15)
24201 David C. Johnson Loop
Elbert, CO 80106

New Email: JamieTreat@q. com
Hm/Hgr 303-648-0130
Cell 303-304-7937

Quote of the Month: If helicopters are so safe, how come there are no vintage/classic
helicopter fly-ins? - Anonymous

----- Original Message -----
From: Norbert J. Mc Luckie
To: fairchildclub@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Ranger Engine on PT-19

There was a posting, some time ago, giving the details to make a wrench, made to reach that plug. I have to take the carburetor off or seriously loose, in order to remove that plug.

Lucky
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Threadgill
To: fairchildclub@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 7:53 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Ranger Engine on PT-19

Another question from a new owner.

I need suggestions on how to remove the left hand spark plug from the #4
cylinder on a Ranger engine mounted in a PT-19. Do you have to remove the
carburetor, or is there an easier way? So far, I have not even been able to
get the elbow connector off the top of the plug.

Thanks for any and all suggestions.

Jack

Jack Threadgill

1602 Brook Hollow Dr

Bryan, TX 77802

979-779-7155

threadgl@suddenlink .net

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