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Re: A PT What?

Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 5:28 am
by Steve Link
' Excellent!!!!! Where is this excerpt located?
 
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 00:03:58 -0700
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: A PT What?

  You are seeing it correctly. There are 4 siamesed cylinders and they are viewed in the mount as an X. 
As for the tail number this exerpt from the antique engine page sums it up:
"PT-19 Flight TestingMatCmd engineer W.D. Downs, who was in charge of testing the X-250, suggested that an X-250 be installed experimentally in a Fairchild PT-19 on 11 Nov 1943.
According to W.D. Down's project notebook, PT-19B AC43-31065 was released on bailment contract W33-038-AC-2727 on 17 Jan 1944. However, when engine installation began in April, a PT-19A-AE (SN not mentioned) was used.Work began in Apr 1944 on installing X-250D SN 2 in a Fairchild PT-19A under contract W33-038-AC-2727 (12056). Nose and belly coolant radiator locations were studied, and the nose configuration with a 540 in² Clifford radiator was chosen. It was decided to use a thermostatic bypass valve in the coolant system instead of the moveable cowl flaps that had been used in the Cessna C-165. Once a basic configuration was chosen, engine mounting, induction system, exhaust system, and cowling were detailed. The aircraft was moved to Detroit City Airport on 24 Jul. Engine installation was complete by the 31 Jul except for the coolant radiator, which had been delayed due to unsatisfactory hole spacing on the header plates. The radiator was finally received on 27 Sep, installed and the installation tested on 28 Sep, and the aircraft inspected and test flown on 29 Sep. By 15 Oct, the aircraft had been flown about six hours and the engine ground run for another four hours. During this period, instruments were calibrated and overall operation checked. On 16 Oct, the aircraft was flown to the Fahlin Manufacturing Company at Columbia, Missouri where several propellers were tested. The aircraft returned to Detroit on 21 Oct, at which time the cowling was removed and cooling exit air paths modified to reduce oil temperature during full-throttle climbs. The engine was inspected, a cracked exhaust collector ring repaired, and the engine reinstalled on 30 Oct. [XR-250 Tests] No further information GMRL XR-250 flight tests was available to the author."

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Re: A PT What?

Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 5:32 am
by Steve Link
' Interesting concept....is this the engine in question?
http://www.enginehistory.org/members/X-250.php
 
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 00:03:58 -0700
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: A PT What?

  You are seeing it correctly. There are 4 siamesed cylinders and they are viewed in the mount as an X. 
As for the tail number this exerpt from the antique engine page sums it up:
"PT-19 Flight TestingMatCmd engineer W.D. Downs, who was in charge of testing the X-250, suggested that an X-250 be installed experimentally in a Fairchild PT-19 on 11 Nov 1943.
According to W.D. Down's project notebook, PT-19B AC43-31065 was released on bailment contract W33-038-AC-2727 on 17 Jan 1944. However, when engine installation began in April, a PT-19A-AE (SN not mentioned) was used.Work began in Apr 1944 on installing X-250D SN 2 in a Fairchild PT-19A under contract W33-038-AC-2727 (12056). Nose and belly coolant radiator locations were studied, and the nose configuration with a 540 in² Clifford radiator was chosen. It was decided to use a thermostatic bypass valve in the coolant system instead of the moveable cowl flaps that had been used in the Cessna C-165. Once a basic configuration was chosen, engine mounting, induction system, exhaust system, and cowling were detailed. The aircraft was moved to Detroit City Airport on 24 Jul. Engine installation was complete by the 31 Jul except for the coolant radiator, which had been delayed due to unsatisfactory hole spacing on the header plates. The radiator was finally received on 27 Sep, installed and the installation tested on 28 Sep, and the aircraft inspected and test flown on 29 Sep. By 15 Oct, the aircraft had been flown about six hours and the engine ground run for another four hours. During this period, instruments were calibrated and overall operation checked. On 16 Oct, the aircraft was flown to the Fahlin Manufacturing Company at Columbia, Missouri where several propellers were tested. The aircraft returned to Detroit on 21 Oct, at which time the cowling was removed and cooling exit air paths modified to reduce oil temperature during full-throttle climbs. The engine was inspected, a cracked exhaust collector ring repaired, and the engine reinstalled on 30 Oct. [XR-250 Tests] No further information GMRL XR-250 flight tests was available to the author."

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Re: A PT What?

Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 5:47 am
by Steve Link
' I wonder if there is any way to access these pix on-line?
http://ead.ohiolink.edu/xtf-ead/view?docId=ead/ODaWU0007.xml;chunk.id=c02_1FI;brand=default
 
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From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 02:26:05 -0700
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: A PT What?

  Hi tomatotruck993As a collector of Fairchild PT and Argus historical data I would like to say very many thanks for posting the extract from W.D. Downs project logbook.  I had no idea of this PT-19 engine test bed until Steve posted the photograph and so your information is absolute gold.Tony Broadhurst
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Re: A PT What?

Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 7:41 am
by tomatotruck993
'Hello,

I think he erred in his notes when he allied the test PT an B model. Then a little later he mentioned the actual aircraft used was an A model but the notes did not contain the serial. I think it was still the same serial.

Wes K
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From: broadhurst@talk21.com [fairchildclub]
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 05:26:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: A PT What?

Hi tomatotruck993 As a collector of Fairchild PT and Argus historical data I would like to say very many thanks for posting the extract from W.D. Downs project logbook. I had no idea of this PT-19 engine test bed until Steve posted the photograph and so your information is absolute gold.
Tony Broadhurst

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Wes K
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Re: A PT What?

Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 7:43 am
by tomatotruck993
'Yes. You must be a member to read the full article.
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From: Steve Link steven_link@msn.com [fairchildclub]
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 07:30:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Re: A PT What?

Interesting concept....is this the engine in question?
http://www.enginehistory.org/members/X-250.php

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From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 00:03:58 -0700
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: A PT What?


























You are seeing it correctly. There are 4 siamesed cylinders and they are viewed in the mount as an X.
As for the tail number this exerpt from the antique engine page sums it up:
"PT-19 Flight TestingMatCmd engineer W.D. Downs, who was in charge of testing the X-250, suggested that an X-250 be installed experimentally in a Fairchild PT-19 on 11 Nov 1943.
According to W.D. Down's project notebook, PT-19B AC43-31065 was released on bailment contract W33-038-AC-2727 on 17 Jan 1944. However, when engine installation began in April, a PT-19A-AE (SN not mentioned) was used.Work began in Apr 1944 on installing X-250D SN 2 in a Fairchild PT-19A under contract W33-038-AC-2727 (12056). Nose and belly coolant radiator locations were studied, and the nose configuration with a 540 in² Clifford radiator was chosen. It was decided to use a thermostatic bypass valve in the coolant system instead of the moveable cowl flaps that had been used in the Cessna C-165. Once a basic configuration was chosen, engine mounting, induction system, exhaust system, and cowling were detailed. The aircraft was moved to Detroit City Airport on 24 Jul. Engine installation was complete by the 31 Jul except for the coolant radiator, which had been delayed due to unsatisfactory hole spacing on the header plates. The radiator was finally received on 27 Sep, installed and the installation tested on 28 Sep, and the aircraft inspected and test flown on 29 Sep. By 15 Oct, the aircraft had been flown about six hours and the engine ground run for another four hours. During this period, instruments were calibrated and overall operation checked. On 16 Oct, the aircraft was flown to the Fahlin Manufacturing Company at Columbia, Missouri where several propellers were tested. The aircraft returned to Detroit on 21 Oct, at which time the cowling was removed and cooling exit air paths modified to reduce oil temperature during full-throttle climbs. The engine was inspected, a cracked exhaust collector ring repaired, and the engine reinstalled on 30 Oct. [XR-250 Tests] No further information GMRL XR-250 flight tests was available to the author."















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Wes K
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Re: A PT What?

Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 7:54 am
by Steve Link
' LOL!!!! I was years ago, looks like I need to re-enlist!
 
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 09:43:44 -0400
Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Re: A PT What?

  Yes. You must be a member to read the full article.
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Link steven_link@msn.com [fairchildclub]
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 07:30:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Re: A PT What?

Interesting concept....is this the engine in question?
http://www.enginehistory.org/members/X-250.php

To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 00:03:58 -0700
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: A PT What?

You are seeing it correctly. There are 4 siamesed cylinders and they are viewed in the mount as an X.
As for the tail number this exerpt from the antique engine page sums it up:
"PT-19 Flight TestingMatCmd engineer W.D. Downs, who was in charge of testing the X-250, suggested that an X-250 be installed experimentally in a Fairchild PT-19 on 11 Nov 1943.
According to W.D. Down's project notebook, PT-19B AC43-31065 was released on bailment contract W33-038-AC-2727 on 17 Jan 1944. However, when engine installation began in April, a PT-19A-AE (SN not mentioned) was used.Work began in Apr 1944 on installing X-250D SN 2 in a Fairchild PT-19A under contract W33-038-AC-2727 (12056). Nose and belly coolant radiator locations were studied, and the nose configuration with a 540 in² Clifford radiator was chosen. It was decided to use a thermostatic bypass valve in the coolant system instead of the moveable cowl flaps that had been used in the Cessna C-165. Once a basic configuration was chosen, engine mounting, induction system, exhaust system, and cowling were detailed. The aircraft was moved to Detroit City Airport on 24 Jul. Engine installation was complete by the 31 Jul except for the coolant radiator, which had been delayed due to unsatisfactory hole spacing on the header plates. The radiator was finally received on 27 Sep, installed and the installation tested on 28 Sep, and the aircraft inspected and test flown on 29 Sep. By 15 Oct, the aircraft had been flown about six hours and the engine ground run for another four hours. During this period, instruments were calibrated and overall operation checked. On 16 Oct, the aircraft was flown to the Fahlin Manufacturing Company at Columbia, Missouri where several propellers were tested. The aircraft returned to Detroit on 21 Oct, at which time the cowling was removed and cooling exit air paths modified to reduce oil temperature during full-throttle climbs. The engine was inspected, a cracked exhaust collector ring repaired, and the engine reinstalled on 30 Oct. [XR-250 Tests] No further information GMRL XR-250 flight tests was available to the author."


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Wes K
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Re: A PT What?

Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 8:46 pm
by tomatotruck993
'I meant you must be a member of the Antique Engine Club.org to read the whole right up on the X250.'

Re: A PT What?

Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 4:14 am
by Steve Link
' Yes, I knew what you were saying.  I also signed back up. Such a great site.  
 
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 19:46:52 -0700
Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Re: A PT What?

  I meant you must be a member of the Antique Engine Club.org to read the whole right up on the X250.
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