I will be interested to see if it fits - should be in about one month when I start - the dates could be marginal! In the meanwhile I will not check as I'll no doubt be unable to pack it up again. However forewarned is forearmed.
Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.
Frank Cox
UC61K G-BCBL
'--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Bob" wrote:
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> Frank,
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> About twenty years ago, I tried to install an envelope on my fuselage. It was too small. At that time, I remembered seeing many Fairchild 24s with an ugly dart added towards the rear window. I realized that the envelope was the wrong size. I talked to a wonderful lady who was the chief envelope producer at Alexander Aero and had a newer one produced from my pattern. Alexander Aero then listed BOTH envelopes in their catalog -- one for early models and one for later models. I think 24-G and later, were the larger envelope.
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> Alexander Aero was later purchased by Aircraft Spruce. I thought that Aircraft Spruce continued BOTH sizes, but I see now that they only list ONE size, called 24G R&W.
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> If I were you, I would call them. Aircraft Spruce EAST, is the company that used to be Alexander Aero, and I think that they are probably the people that still sew the envelopes.
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> Bob Waldron
> Webster, MN
> 1939 24K
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> --- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" wrote:
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> > Bob,
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> > Can you tell me please when you told A/C Spruce about the wider fuselage and that their older envelopes did not fit.
> > I bought a set of envelopes for a 'Quick recover job' that are still in the box about 19 years ago! and now, after the ensuing rebuild, am just about ready to cover.
> > I don't really want to buy another one if I can help it.
> > Many thanks,
> > Frank Cox
> > UC61K G-BCBL
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> >
> > --- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Bob" wrote:
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> > > Jeff,
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> > > I have not seen your photo, but it probably wouldn't help me at all.
> > >
> > > My 24K was shipped with a 165 hp engine and my IA got a 337 for installing the 200 hp with a plaque that states that the take-off should be kept below 165 hp. I have the Beechcraft adjustable prop and am normally unable to exceed 165 hp on takeoff at my 1000' msl strip. 165 hp is determined from the chart showing rpm and manifold pressure.
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> > > I don't know a 'small tail' from a 'large tail', but I do know that the Earliest 24s were certified THREE PERSON airplanes. The later FOUR PERSON airplanes are about two inches wider. Aircraft Spruce sells two different fuselage fabric envelopes. The earlier one won't fit the later models without slitting the fabric near the rear window - and sewing a big ugly dart into the fabric. I provided the pattern for the later model fuselages.
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> > > Bob Waldron
> > > Webster, MN
> > > 1939 Fairchild 24K
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> > > --- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Whitesell wrote:
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> > > > Bob
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> > > > Thank you. This is very helpful information. So this frame fits your description, as it has what appears to be a battery box on the left side of the engine mount..
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> > > > Can we further isolate the type as being "small tail" vs the larger, later tail?
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> > > > Can you tell from the picture if the mount will accept a 200 Hp ranger?
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> > > > thanks
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> > > > Jeff
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> > > > On Nov 20, 2012, at 6:36 PM, Bob wrote:
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> > > > > Jeff,
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> > > > > Early Fairchild 24s (at least the ranger powered ones)had the engine mount integral to the frame. These are referred to as the 'short nosed' Rangers. The problem for the company, was that they had to know what engine they were going to mount on the airplane when they began building the fuselage. During the preparations for WWII, lots of Ranger engines were needed for the PT-19s and PT-26s, and there wouldn't always be a Ranger available for the 24.
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> > > > > Starting with the 24-R model, Fairchild made a removable engine mount, allowing the factory to build a fuselage and later decide which engine to install. These aircraft are 11 inches longer than the earlier models, allowing the oil tank to be mounted on the firewall, and allowing the oil cooler to be moved up under the cowl, and requiring the battery to be moved to the tail. The removable mount increased the weight of the fuselage and the max gross weight was not changed, therefor the earlier 'short nosed' Fairchild 24s had a slightly greater 'useful load'.
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> > > > > Good luck on your selection of a project and the restoration of another wonderful airplane.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob Waldron
> > > > > Webster, MN
> > > > > 1939 Fairchild 24K "short nosed"
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> > > > > --- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Whitesell wrote:
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> > > > > > Fellow Fairchild enthusiasts:
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> > > > > > I am an old A&P, with a great number of projects behind me.....and now I want to restore a Fairchild.
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> > > > > > I am contemplating several F-24 projects...all with sketchy or no records....I need some help in identifying the fuselage frames.
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> > > > > > Did Fairchild put any identification tags or data on the welded tube structure?
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> > > > > > One project has the engine mount welded integral to the frame, and looks like it would take the Ranger engine.
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> > > > > > Other local Ranger projects all have a detachable engine mount, with dynafocals...
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> > > > > > any wisdom you can share on this frame is appreciated
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> > > > > > Jeff Whitesell
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> > > > Jeff Whitesell
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