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Re: fuel flow

Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 6:38 pm
by robert Etter
'Of course when I talk about flying a Fairchild 24W, I am nearly talking ancient history on the practical, and recent on some of the physical.
I noticed that in the distant past, someone had routed the fuel lines over the top of the front wing attachment fittings before entering the cabin.... Bad idea, it can trap alot of air in the lines. Being a devils advocate, are all four screens at each of the wing tank outlets clean, all four lines in good condition, including the interconnecting hoses? And last but far from least, are the vent holes in your gas caps clean?.
I should be working on my 24 right now, but it is only about 106 F. I can't see to be able to drink water fast enough to keep up with the heat.

----- Original Message -----
From: rangerrobertmn
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 12:48 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: fuel flow


Remko,

In FLIGHT attitude, the Fairchild 24 has about 3 p.s.i. pressure at
the carb. In TAKEOFF attitude, there is less pressure. You don't
mention how steep you are climbing. At anything less than 70 mph,
you are getting pretty steep. You also don't mention whether the
tanks are full. Half full tanks at steep attitude don't provide
much pressure at the carb.

That said, I suspect that you have a carb problem, not a fuel flow
problem. The only fuel flow problem that I have, occurs when some
fuel has leaked out past the needle valve, leaving a void in the
fuel line. This void generally hits the carb all at once, and I get
a 'heck of a surge', to the point where I try to NEVER let it happen.

Bob Waldron
1939 Fairchild 24 K 200hp
Stillwater MN

--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "m51rs" wrote:
>
> I checked the fuelflow on both tanks at the carburetor side of the
> fuel line.
> Left tank:170 liters or app 37 gallons an hour
> right tank 150 liters or app 33 gallons an hour
>
> During take off at full power my engine surges.Less power cures the
> problem.I tried leaning the mixture,flying on both tanks,but to no
avail.
>
> Any ideas out there?
>
> Filters inside the carb and strainer are absolutely clean.
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Remko
>
> PS:the other engine in our f24 had a fuelpump installed.Could this
be
> a hint?
>





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Re: fuel flow

Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 2:35 pm
by m51rs
'Karl,it is a Stromberg.I can't find anything written on it-ie 3 lbs or
1 lbs for the flow.I will dismantle it again to compare the floatlevel
with another carb I have,which is gravity fed for sure.The bad
condition from the engine that carb came from withheld me from using it.

For me it is a mistery..

Remko

PS:sending my carb to the US for overhaul sounds like a last option to
me..

-- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Karl Saenger" wrote:
>
> Hello Remko,
>
> What is the type and part number of the carburettor? Stromberg or
> Marvel-Schebler?
>
> If it is a Marvel-Schebler there are AD's of importance, especially
> the one of the venturi.
>
> Karl
>
>
> --- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Mueller" wrote:
> >
> > I had mine done by Aircraft Systems Inc. I didn't do much shopping
> > around. I just wanted to go fly. They were kind of pricey as I
recall,
> > around $700 bucks, but their knowledge and workmanship with vintage
> > aircraft Carburetors was superior.
> > Tom
> >
> > Aircraft Systems Inc.
> > 5187 Falcon Rd.
> > Rockford, IL 61109
> > (815) 399-0225
> >
>
'

Re: fuel flow

Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 9:02 am
by Karl Saenger
'Remko,

I am sorry, I only have knowlegde of the Marvel-Schebler carburetor.

Perhaps out there in the Fairchild comunity, some one can provide data
or hints how to get an overhaul manual of the Stromberg NAR-4B carburetor.

Karl


--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "m51rs" wrote:
>
> Karl,it is a Stromberg.I can't find anything written on it-ie 3 lbs or
> 1 lbs for the flow.I will dismantle it again to compare the floatlevel
> with another carb I have,which is gravity fed for sure.The bad
> condition from the engine that carb came from withheld me from using it.
>
> For me it is a mistery..
>
> Remko
>
> PS:sending my carb to the US for overhaul sounds like a last option to
> me..
'

Re: fuel flow

Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 9:20 am
by Thane
'I put a file in the "Files" section (NA-R4B Service instructions) I
hope it helps.

Thane

--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "m51rs" wrote:
>
> Karl,it is a Stromberg.I can't find anything written on it-ie 3 lbs
or
> 1 lbs for the flow.I will dismantle it again to compare the
floatlevel
> with another carb I have,which is gravity fed for sure.The bad
> condition from the engine that carb came from withheld me from
using it.
>
> For me it is a mistery..
>
> Remko
>
> PS:sending my carb to the US for overhaul sounds like a last option
to
> me..
>
> -- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Karl Saenger"
wrote:
> >
> > Hello Remko,
> >
> > What is the type and part number of the carburettor? Stromberg or
> > Marvel-Schebler?
> >
> > If it is a Marvel-Schebler there are AD's of importance,
especially
> > the one of the venturi.
> >
> > Karl
> >
> >
> > --- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Mueller"
wrote:
> > >
> > > I had mine done by Aircraft Systems Inc. I didn't do much
shopping
> > > around. I just wanted to go fly. They were kind of pricey as I
> recall,
> > > around $700 bucks, but their knowledge and workmanship with
vintage
> > > aircraft Carburetors was superior.
> > > Tom
> > >
> > > Aircraft Systems Inc.
> > > 5187 Falcon Rd.
> > > Rockford, IL 61109
> > > (815) 399-0225
> > >
> >
>
'

Re: fuel flow

Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 1:01 pm
by Karl Saenger
'Thane,

Many thanks, I am sure, this is going to be very useful.

Karl


--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Thane" wrote:
>
> I put a file in the "Files" section (NA-R4B Service instructions) I
> hope it helps.
>
> Thane
>
>
> --- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "m51rs" wrote:
> >
> > Karl,it is a Stromberg.I can't find anything written on it-ie 3 lbs
> or
> > 1 lbs for the flow.I will dismantle it again to compare the
> floatlevel
> > with another carb I have,which is gravity fed for sure.The bad
> > condition from the engine that carb came from withheld me from
> using it.
> >
> > For me it is a mistery..
> >
> > Remko
> >
> > PS:sending my carb to the US for overhaul sounds like a last option
> to
> > me..
> >
> > -- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Karl Saenger"
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Remko,
> > >
> > > What is the type and part number of the carburettor? Stromberg or
> > > Marvel-Schebler?
> > >
> > > If it is a Marvel-Schebler there are AD's of importance,
> especially
> > > the one of the venturi.
> > >
> > > Karl
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Mueller"
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I had mine done by Aircraft Systems Inc. I didn't do much
> shopping
> > > > around. I just wanted to go fly. They were kind of pricey as I
> > recall,
> > > > around $700 bucks, but their knowledge and workmanship with
> vintage
> > > > aircraft Carburetors was superior.
> > > > Tom
> > > >
> > > > Aircraft Systems Inc.
> > > > 5187 Falcon Rd.
> > > > Rockford, IL 61109
> > > > (815) 399-0225
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
'

Re: fuel flow

Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 6:40 pm
by robert Etter
'I think that I goofed somewhat regarding screens on each of the fuel tank outlets. One of my fuel tanks had a screen on each of the two outlets. And the other didn't. Which one had the screen installed, I don't know. One of my wings was a pre-war wing, and the other was a UC-61. It could be anyone's guess which had what.
I hope you can find the problem.
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Etter
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Re: fuel flow


Of course when I talk about flying a Fairchild 24W, I am nearly talking ancient history on the practical, and recent on some of the physical.
I noticed that in the distant past, someone had routed the fuel lines over the top of the front wing attachment fittings before entering the cabin.... Bad idea, it can trap alot of air in the lines. Being a devils advocate, are all four screens at each of the wing tank outlets clean, all four lines in good condition, including the interconnecting hoses? And last but far from least, are the vent holes in your gas caps clean?.
I should be working on my 24 right now, but it is only about 106 F. I can't see to be able to drink water fast enough to keep up with the heat.

----- Original Message -----
From: rangerrobertmn
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 12:48 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: fuel flow

Remko,

In FLIGHT attitude, the Fairchild 24 has about 3 p.s.i. pressure at
the carb. In TAKEOFF attitude, there is less pressure. You don't
mention how steep you are climbing. At anything less than 70 mph,
you are getting pretty steep. You also don't mention whether the
tanks are full. Half full tanks at steep attitude don't provide
much pressure at the carb.

That said, I suspect that you have a carb problem, not a fuel flow
problem. The only fuel flow problem that I have, occurs when some
fuel has leaked out past the needle valve, leaving a void in the
fuel line. This void generally hits the carb all at once, and I get
a 'heck of a surge', to the point where I try to NEVER let it happen.

Bob Waldron
1939 Fairchild 24 K 200hp
Stillwater MN

--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "m51rs" wrote:
>
> I checked the fuelflow on both tanks at the carburetor side of the
> fuel line.
> Left tank:170 liters or app 37 gallons an hour
> right tank 150 liters or app 33 gallons an hour
>
> During take off at full power my engine surges.Less power cures the
> problem.I tried leaning the mixture,flying on both tanks,but to no
avail.
>
> Any ideas out there?
>
> Filters inside the carb and strainer are absolutely clean.
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Remko
>
> PS:the other engine in our f24 had a fuelpump installed.Could this
be
> a hint?
>

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'

Re: fuel flow

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:50 am
by m51rs
'Tom,I called with Dan at Aircraft systems.He told me that gravity
feed the fuel level should be adjusted to 9/16 inch bottom needle to
fuel level.

So you where absolutely right there are two adjustments!

I will let you all know if this cured the problem but I am pretty
shure it will solve my problem.


--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Mueller"
wrote:
>
> I had mine done by Aircraft Systems Inc. I didn't do much shopping
> around. I just wanted to go fly. They were kind of pricey as I
recall,
> around $700 bucks, but their knowledge and workmanship with vintage
> aircraft Carburetors was superior.
> Tom
>
> Aircraft Systems Inc.
> 5187 Falcon Rd.
> Rockford, IL 61109
> (815) 399-0225
>
'

Re: fuel flow

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 3:22 am
by m51rs
'What a wonderfull forum!

Thanks for the help in solving my problem with the power surge during
take-off.

After dismantling the carb,and checking the floatlevel,it proofed to
be 3/16 low.We brought it up juat a tad above the required 9/16
measured from the bowl down to the fuellevel and the problem was solved.

So,usig a carb from a pumpdriven engine is not advisable without
checking the fuellevel!

Again,many thanks to all of you.

Remko
--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Karl Saenger" wrote:
>
> Thane,
>
> Many thanks, I am sure, this is going to be very useful.
>
> Karl
>
>
>
> --- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Thane" wrote:
> >
> > I put a file in the "Files" section (NA-R4B Service instructions) I
> > hope it helps.
> >
> > Thane
> >
> >
> > --- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "m51rs" wrote:
> > >
> > > Karl,it is a Stromberg.I can't find anything written on it-ie 3 lbs
> > or
> > > 1 lbs for the flow.I will dismantle it again to compare the
> > floatlevel
> > > with another carb I have,which is gravity fed for sure.The bad
> > > condition from the engine that carb came from withheld me from
> > using it.
> > >
> > > For me it is a mistery..
> > >
> > > Remko
> > >
> > > PS:sending my carb to the US for overhaul sounds like a last option
> > to
> > > me..
> > >
> > > -- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Karl Saenger"
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello Remko,
> > > >
> > > > What is the type and part number of the carburettor? Stromberg or
> > > > Marvel-Schebler?
> > > >
> > > > If it is a Marvel-Schebler there are AD's of importance,
> > especially
> > > > the one of the venturi.
> > > >
> > > > Karl
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Mueller"
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I had mine done by Aircraft Systems Inc. I didn't do much
> > shopping
> > > > > around. I just wanted to go fly. They were kind of pricey as I
> > > recall,
> > > > > around $700 bucks, but their knowledge and workmanship with
> > vintage
> > > > > aircraft Carburetors was superior.
> > > > > Tom
> > > > >
> > > > > Aircraft Systems Inc.
> > > > > 5187 Falcon Rd.
> > > > > Rockford, IL 61109
> > > > > (815) 399-0225
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
'