Fairchild Club Forum

Posted: **Wed Jun 22, 2005 1:17 pm**

'You guys discussing the landing gear cables, please come back to
earth. Old Sherman Fairchild would turn in his grave if he would
know.
As far as my records go back there was no cable to secure the
landing gear cylinders. If the landing gear is maintained and
checked as it should be and the SB's are followed no cable is needed.
See DRW. 43247 on the Fairchildclub CD-rom.

Well, do you secure your engine or your wing struts with cables just
in case?

Karl Saenger

UC-61K c/n 891

--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Mueller"
wrote:

> I just had both landing gear off for new bolts and bushings all

the

> way around. The oleo struts were
> examined and one gland nut was backed off a little because one

strut

> was stiff and not extending easily.
> Everything is back on my airplane, but I'm curious about a length

of

> cable (maybe a foot long) that
> attaches to the universal joint at the top of oleo piston, then
> attaches to a collar near the top of the main tube.
> Does anyone know what length this cable is supposed to be? My

concern

> is it looks like the cable is to short to let the strut fully

extend

> after takeoff. Both cables look like they have worked hard for

many

> years preventing the strut from bottoming out on its own. I

thought

> the strut had to fully extend after takeoff to prepare itself for

the

> next landing. Maybe not! Anybody know the length of this cable.
> Anybody know the purpose?
> I have a Temco built R46. Thanks!
> Tom
> Hanford, Ca.

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Posted: **Wed Jun 22, 2005 1:17 pm**

'Thanks Tom. I have an old erection manuel and it states the gland nut
should always be safetied to prevent possibility of comming loose and
allowing the landing gear to hang free. I found two holes in the nut where
it looks like they should be safety wired and have a pretty good idea of how
this was done (but not sure yet). The manuel doesn't have anything about the
cables and where they attach-Even if my Fairchild didn't have these
originaly I think I should install them anyway.
Buell

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Mueller"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 9:16 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Question...

> Buell,
> I hoisted the airframe again (getting pretty good at it) to simulate a
> takeoff, and as I suspected the
> safety wires were short in length. They stopped the downward travel of
> the wheels and tires about
> two inches shy of full travel. Now as I understand it, and nobody has
> told me otherwise, this
> type of hydraulic/spring shock absorber should travel to full
> extension after takeoff to properly charge itself for the up coming
> landing. It wasn't doing that. The mechanics of this strut look to be
> relatively straightforward, as compared to an air/oil type strut. It
> is reported in aviation mechanic books of that time
> as having excellent rebound canceling properties. We'll see...
> I'll take a few pictures after the new cables are installed and get
> back with you... New cables will be 20" long........Hang!
> Tom
> Hanford,Ca
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Posted: **Wed Jun 22, 2005 1:32 pm**

'Hi EZ,
Your right . I was guilty of taking the T/craft for a spin
instead of working this morning. I am getting there slowly but surely
though. I finally got all the ribs made and have the wings rebuilt and the
fuselage primed and most of the wood done. I just finished rebuilding the
vert fin-I have an nice extra rudder and repairable fin if you know of any
one in need. Well, guess I better go work on the Cub top make some money to
spend on the Fairchild.
Buell

----- Original Message -----
From: "ranger440c5"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 8:48 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Question...

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> playing around with that Tcraft and get to work!!! EZ
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Posted: **Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:42 pm**

'--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Karl Saenger"
wrote:

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> Well, do you secure your engine or your wing struts with cables just
> in case?
>

Sure do, most people think that's an electrical grounding strap, but
really it's to hold the engine on when the bolts fall out. Sort of like
the cable wrapped around a Szekely cylinders. EZ'

Posted: **Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:05 pm**

'On Wednesday, June 22, 2005, at 02:15 PM, Karl Saenger wrote:

> Well, do you secure your engine or your wing struts with cables just
> in case?

Actually, many aerobatic aircraft do have safety cables to secure the
engine to the airframe in case of a prop blade loss. If the engine
mount fails the engine wont depart the aircraft and result in an
unrecoverable center of gravity. I dont do aerobatics with my 24 so I
dont bother.

I do like redundancy when practical.

:Dan
:NC81323'

Posted: **Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:18 pm**

'To install the safety cable is relatively cheap and easy to do to minimze the risk of the gear dropping down. What does it hurt?

----- Original Message -----
From: Karl Saenger
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 11:15 AM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Question...

You guys discussing the landing gear cables, please come back to
earth. Old Sherman Fairchild would turn in his grave if he would
know.
As far as my records go back there was no cable to secure the
landing gear cylinders. If the landing gear is maintained and
checked as it should be and the SB's are followed no cable is needed.
See DRW. 43247 on the Fairchildclub CD-rom.

Well, do you secure your engine or your wing struts with cables just
in case?

Karl Saenger

UC-61K c/n 891

--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Mueller"
wrote:
> I just had both landing gear off for new bolts and bushings all
the
> way around. The oleo struts were
> examined and one gland nut was backed off a little because one
strut
> was stiff and not extending easily.
> Everything is back on my airplane, but I'm curious about a length
of
> cable (maybe a foot long) that
> attaches to the universal joint at the top of oleo piston, then
> attaches to a collar near the top of the main tube.
> Does anyone know what length this cable is supposed to be? My
concern
> is it looks like the cable is to short to let the strut fully
extend
> after takeoff. Both cables look like they have worked hard for
many
> years preventing the strut from bottoming out on its own. I
thought
> the strut had to fully extend after takeoff to prepare itself for
the
> next landing. Maybe not! Anybody know the length of this cable.
> Anybody know the purpose?
> I have a Temco built R46. Thanks!
> Tom
> Hanford, Ca.

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Posted: **Wed Jun 22, 2005 8:42 pm**

'Uh, let's see now.....A Swiss fellow is admonishing the use of a
minor modification (no permanent airframe alteration) that is
intended to improve safety..... that's contradictory right there.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you the guy with the Fairchild
flying about with welded on brace struts to keep the gear from
collapsing and wasn't this mandated by the Swiss government as
modification in the name of safety(albeit for skis, but safety none
the less)? Struts that would make elegant and dignified entry/egress
difficult for the finely attired couple depicted in Fairchild
advertising of the day as the entry step must be deleted. What's that
saying about glass houses and throwing stones?
Virtually every bungee equipped aircraft has safety cables, nearly
all the Wacos with the "Bruckner strut" have cables or chains, many
Cleveland or Gruss ail/oil strut equipped aircraft have these
restraints.

"Roll over in the grave"...indeed.

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Karl Saenger
> To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 11:15 AM
> Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Question...
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> You guys discussing the landing gear cables, please come back to
> earth. Old Sherman Fairchild would turn in his grave if he would
> know.
> As far as my records go back there was no cable to secure the
> landing gear cylinders. If the landing gear is maintained and
> checked as it should be and the SB's are followed no cable is

needed.

> See DRW. 43247 on the Fairchildclub CD-rom.
>
> Well, do you secure your engine or your wing struts with cables

just

> in case?
>
> Karl Saenger
>
> UC-61K c/n 891
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> --- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Mueller"

> wrote:
> > I just had both landing gear off for new bolts and bushings all
> the
> > way around. The oleo struts were
> > examined and one gland nut was backed off a little because one
> strut
> > was stiff and not extending easily.
> > Everything is back on my airplane, but I'm curious about a

length

> of
> > cable (maybe a foot long) that
> > attaches to the universal joint at the top of oleo piston,

then

> > attaches to a collar near the top of the main tube.
> > Does anyone know what length this cable is supposed to be? My
> concern
> > is it looks like the cable is to short to let the strut fully
> extend
> > after takeoff. Both cables look like they have worked hard for
> many
> > years preventing the strut from bottoming out on its own. I
> thought
> > the strut had to fully extend after takeoff to prepare itself

for

> the
> > next landing. Maybe not! Anybody know the length of this cable.
> > Anybody know the purpose?
> > I have a Temco built R46. Thanks!
> > Tom
> > Hanford, Ca.
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Posted: **Wed Jun 22, 2005 11:58 pm**

'Amen. Why short change a simple safety modification. All Alaska Cubs have the safety cables installed in the even the WELDED cabane breaks. I'll stay with my safety cables.

----- Original Message -----
From: ranger440c5
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 6:42 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Question...

Uh, let's see now.....A Swiss fellow is admonishing the use of a
minor modification (no permanent airframe alteration) that is
intended to improve safety..... that's contradictory right there.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you the guy with the Fairchild
flying about with welded on brace struts to keep the gear from
collapsing and wasn't this mandated by the Swiss government as
modification in the name of safety(albeit for skis, but safety none
the less)? Struts that would make elegant and dignified entry/egress
difficult for the finely attired couple depicted in Fairchild
advertising of the day as the entry step must be deleted. What's that
saying about glass houses and throwing stones?
Virtually every bungee equipped aircraft has safety cables, nearly
all the Wacos with the "Bruckner strut" have cables or chains, many
Cleveland or Gruss ail/oil strut equipped aircraft have these
restraints.

"Roll over in the grave"...indeed.

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Karl Saenger
> To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 11:15 AM
> Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Question...
>
>
> You guys discussing the landing gear cables, please come back to
> earth. Old Sherman Fairchild would turn in his grave if he would
> know.
> As far as my records go back there was no cable to secure the
> landing gear cylinders. If the landing gear is maintained and
> checked as it should be and the SB's are followed no cable is
needed.
> See DRW. 43247 on the Fairchildclub CD-rom.
>
> Well, do you secure your engine or your wing struts with cables
just
> in case?
>
> Karl Saenger
>
> UC-61K c/n 891
>
>
> --- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Mueller"

> wrote:
> > I just had both landing gear off for new bolts and bushings all
> the
> > way around. The oleo struts were
> > examined and one gland nut was backed off a little because one
> strut
> > was stiff and not extending easily.
> > Everything is back on my airplane, but I'm curious about a
length
> of
> > cable (maybe a foot long) that
> > attaches to the universal joint at the top of oleo piston,
then
> > attaches to a collar near the top of the main tube.
> > Does anyone know what length this cable is supposed to be? My
> concern
> > is it looks like the cable is to short to let the strut fully
> extend
> > after takeoff. Both cables look like they have worked hard for
> many
> > years preventing the strut from bottoming out on its own. I
> thought
> > the strut had to fully extend after takeoff to prepare itself
for
> the
> > next landing. Maybe not! Anybody know the length of this cable.
> > Anybody know the purpose?
> > I have a Temco built R46. Thanks!
> > Tom
> > Hanford, Ca.
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Posted: **Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:05 am**

'If you do not maintain the oleo struts on a F24 you are asking for trouble.
That is what Karl it telling you. Who cares if it is safety cable or struts.
Just in case you do not remember the gear attachment and the oleo strut is
the weak part of a F24. The auxiliary strut was first done by Noel Wein for
use with skies. The club has a strut mod.that works very well and you bolt
it on and off.
I have seen both struts and cables used. I have cables on my Aeronca Chief
on that airplane if the strut comes out
it will be a bad day at black rock.

John Berendt
Fairchild Club

----- Original Message -----
From: "ranger440c5"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 9:42 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Question...

> Uh, let's see now.....A Swiss fellow is admonishing the use of a
> minor modification (no permanent airframe alteration) that is
> intended to improve safety..... that's contradictory right there.
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you the guy with the Fairchild
> flying about with welded on brace struts to keep the gear from
> collapsing and wasn't this mandated by the Swiss government as
> modification in the name of safety(albeit for skis, but safety none
> the less)? Struts that would make elegant and dignified entry/egress
> difficult for the finely attired couple depicted in Fairchild
> advertising of the day as the entry step must be deleted. What's that
> saying about glass houses and throwing stones?
> Virtually every bungee equipped aircraft has safety cables, nearly
> all the Wacos with the "Bruckner strut" have cables or chains, many
> Cleveland or Gruss ail/oil strut equipped aircraft have these
> restraints.
>
> "Roll over in the grave"...indeed.
>
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Karl Saenger
> > To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 11:15 AM
> > Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Question...
> >
> >
> > You guys discussing the landing gear cables, please come back to
> > earth. Old Sherman Fairchild would turn in his grave if he would
> > know.
> > As far as my records go back there was no cable to secure the
> > landing gear cylinders. If the landing gear is maintained and
> > checked as it should be and the SB's are followed no cable is
> needed.
> > See DRW. 43247 on the Fairchildclub CD-rom.
> >
> > Well, do you secure your engine or your wing struts with cables
> just
> > in case?
> >
> > Karl Saenger
> >
> > UC-61K c/n 891
> >
> >
> > --- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Mueller"
>
> > wrote:
> > > I just had both landing gear off for new bolts and bushings all
> > the
> > > way around. The oleo struts were
> > > examined and one gland nut was backed off a little because one
> > strut
> > > was stiff and not extending easily.
> > > Everything is back on my airplane, but I'm curious about a
> length
> > of
> > > cable (maybe a foot long) that
> > > attaches to the universal joint at the top of oleo piston,
> then
> > > attaches to a collar near the top of the main tube.
> > > Does anyone know what length this cable is supposed to be? My
> > concern
> > > is it looks like the cable is to short to let the strut fully
> > extend
> > > after takeoff. Both cables look like they have worked hard for
> > many
> > > years preventing the strut from bottoming out on its own. I
> > thought
> > > the strut had to fully extend after takeoff to prepare itself
> for
> > the
> > > next landing. Maybe not! Anybody know the length of this cable.
> > > Anybody know the purpose?
> > > I have a Temco built R46. Thanks!
> > > Tom
> > > Hanford, Ca.
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