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Re: Ranger TBO?

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2001 6:07 am
by Michael Denest
'--- jstreat360@aol.com wrote:
> Michael,
>
> I know of the mod, Tom Goodlett of Alverado, Texas
> created the Machine
> Templet to drill the pistons. I believe Ed Wegner
> has a set also. And I'm
> pretty sure Ed's 440-C5 has the mod. I don't see a
> problem with doing the
> mod. I do not believe in doing the Olds Ring
> installation. In fact, I'm going
> to pick up a spare 440-C5 this Dec. The person that
> did the overhaul
> attempted to get a snug fit with the Olds rings to
> reduce oil consumption,
> well it worked, right up to about 5 hours and it
> made metal. I will do the
> mod to the two engines that I'm going to pick up and
> overhaul. The rest of
> the engine will be stock, with minor clean up on the
> flow. To me oil is
> cheap, if you can't afford the expense, find an
> airplane with a brand new
> shinny flat Lyc. The Ranger was designed to use oil,
> fact. Two qts an hour is
> OK with me. I get a kick out of seeing these young
> kids with there shinny new
> spam cans watching me do an oil change/refill on the
> flight line. So what if
> I start off with a case of oil under the rear seat,
> it only gets lighter as
> the trip continues on.
>
> As for documentation, I would be careful doing the
> logbooks. What the FAA
> does not know will not hurt them, but you did not
> see me write this.
>
> Take care,
>
> Give my best to your Dad. Any word on Carl's PT.
> Marshall Freidman is in love
> with his 24W46 that he got from the estate. Just
> going thru the dial mode on
> the Aeromatic.
>
>
> Jamie S. Treat A&P/IA
Jamie,
Carl's PT is in the process of being sold to Bob
Tullius. We may have it flying by this time next
year. The fuselage is about ready for cover, the
wings need some rework, and engine needs a buildup,
yadda, yadda .

Keep an eye out for an F24 with an Army plate for me.
Preferrably a UC-61K. I know of two that were sold in
Wisconsin. I believe they are now in the
Chicago/Indiana area now.

Mike

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Re: Ranger TBO?

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2001 6:39 am
by Michael Denest
'--- jstreat360@aol.com wrote:
> Michael,
>
> I know of the mod, Tom Goodlett of Alverado, Texas
> created the Machine
> Templet to drill the pistons. I believe Ed Wegner
> has a set also. And I'm
> pretty sure Ed's 440-C5 has the mod. I don't see a
> problem with doing the
> mod. I do not believe in doing the Olds Ring
> installation. In fact, I'm going
> to pick up a spare 440-C5 this Dec. The person that
> did the overhaul
> attempted to get a snug fit with the Olds rings to
> reduce oil consumption,
> well it worked, right up to about 5 hours and it
> made metal. I will do the
> mod to the two engines that I'm going to pick up and
> overhaul. The rest of
> the engine will be stock, with minor clean up on the
> flow. To me oil is
> cheap, if you can't afford the expense, find an
> airplane with a brand new
> shinny flat Lyc. The Ranger was designed to use oil,
> fact. Two qts an hour is
> OK with me. I get a kick out of seeing these young
> kids with there shinny new
> spam cans watching me do an oil change/refill on the
> flight line. So what if
> I start off with a case of oil under the rear seat,
> it only gets lighter as
> the trip continues on.
>
> As for documentation, I would be careful doing the
> logbooks. What the FAA
> does not know will not hurt them, but you did not
> see me write this.
Here's what we do:
First we send the cylinders off to Harrison Engine
Service. Harrison grinds to size, does seats, guides,
installs valves and checks them for leaks and all
other inspections as required then finishes off the
cylinder walls with a good hone. We always request
that the honing be good enough to break the glaze and
be visible. Then we fit rings to the proper size
piston keeping about a .020 end gap on the rings. The
cylinder is assembled and installed on the engine.
Break in is with 120 grade mineral until the exhaust
residue goes away, about 10 - 20 hours. Fly the
aircraft at @ 4000 ft. above the airport, at 2300 rpm.
Then an oil change to 120 grade AD. The result is an
engine using about 1 qt. per hour. No mods,
everything done by the Ranger book and I can sleep at
night. I agree, the Ranger is designed to use 2 qts.
but it is hard to convince owners who try to compare
it to a flat engine on oil consumption. After all, it
is a military engine designed with loose bearing
tolerances to withstand the rigors of aerobatics,
abuse, etc. It is a 60 year old engine and must be
taken care of to run properly and be reliable.
Remember, military overhauls were done at 500 hours
and we are trying to get 2000 out of them. It ain't
gonna happen. The only dry Ranger is a frozen one.


Mike

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Re: Ranger TBO?

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2001 7:27 pm
by Scott
'Impossible,
I don't know anyone with a 24 :(

Oh well, I just think I need to be a bit more practical. Just found 85
acres yesterday for my own private airstrip for $115,000...so it looks
like I need to tighten the belt and look for something that gives the
most bang for the buck...probably end up flying a VP-1 or something ;)

Scott


EarlN28645@aol.com wrote:
>
> Scott,
edited here...
>
> Before you give up on the a 24, fly one!
>
> Earl W. Swaney
> earln28645@aol.com
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Re: Ranger TBO?

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2001 7:36 pm
by EarlN28645@aol.com
'Scott,

If your new airstrip is grass, the 24 is for you. They were made to operate
off of grass and you can softly caress the sod on touchdown to where you will
never feel it.

Where are you located? I am in California and my 24 is based near the Bay
area.

Earl W. Swaney
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Re: Ranger TBO?

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2001 7:43 pm
by Scott
'I am in rapidly approaching winter, in NW Wisconsin. The strip will be
sod, starting at about 1800 to 2200 feet with room for future expansion
to around 3000 feet or so. What kind of distance does a 24 require for
operation? The approaches are great from one direction and very good
from the other...no powerlines, etc. I believe the 24's have something
more like speed brakes??? Flaps that only come out the bottom of the
wing, thus not getting additional lift like from a true flap on a Cessna
170 for example. Are these effective for short field ops?

Scott


EarlN28645@aol.com wrote:
>
> Scott,
>
> If your new airstrip is grass, the 24 is for you. They were made to operate
> off of grass and you can softly caress the sod on touchdown to where you will
> never feel it.
>
> Where are you located? I am in California and my 24 is based near the Bay
> area.
>
> Earl W. Swaney
> earln28645@aol.com
>
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Re: Ranger TBO?

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2001 7:44 pm
by Scott
'Do the F24's work on skis?

Scott


Scott wrote:
>
> I am in rapidly approaching winter, in NW Wisconsin. The strip will be
> sod, starting at about 1800 to 2200 feet with room for future expansion
> to around 3000 feet or so. What kind of distance does a 24 require for
> operation? The approaches are great from one direction and very good
> from the other...no powerlines, etc. I believe the 24's have something
> more like speed brakes??? Flaps that only come out the bottom of the
> wing, thus not getting additional lift like from a true flap on a Cessna
> 170 for example. Are these effective for short field ops?
>
> Scott
>
> EarlN28645@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > Scott,
> >
> > If your new airstrip is grass, the 24 is for you. They were made to operate
> > off of grass and you can softly caress the sod on touchdown to where you will
> > never feel it.
> >
> > Where are you located? I am in California and my 24 is based near the Bay
> > area.
> >
> > Earl W. Swaney
> > earln28645@aol.com
> >
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> >
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>
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Re: Ranger TBO?

Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2001 1:00 pm
by Pilot4906@aol.com
'You might want to check zoning. Here in NY State all airports have to be
approved by township zoning board. Can be a real pain in A..

Gene Haines


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Re: Ranger TBO?

Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2001 4:35 pm
by Pilot4906@aol.com
'I don't know if they do but I do know of a pair of skies for a P-19 and I
would guess they are the same for both aircraft.

Gene Haines


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Re: Ranger TBO?

Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2001 7:52 pm
by Scott
'Been there, done that. Already checked...County is the only obstacle I
have to clear (the State already said as long as I meet FAA standards
for obstacle clearances, they will approve) and they laid out their
policies, so really it is up to the board meetings where neighboring
landowners can voice their opposition or give their blessings. I will
present the offer with a contingency on getting the proper land use
permit. Hopefully all will go well. Been down this road getting my
dad's strip in and approved.

Scott


Pilot4906@aol.com wrote:
>
> You might want to check zoning. Here in NY State all airports have to be
> approved by township zoning board. Can be a real pain in A..
>
> Gene Haines
>
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Re: Ranger TBO?

Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2001 5:54 am
by Michael Denest
'--- Pilot4906@aol.com wrote:
> You might want to check zoning. Here in NY State
> all airports have to be
> approved by township zoning board. Can be a real
> pain in A..
>
> Gene Haines
Off topic but are you the Gene Haines who was once
president of the National Warplane Museum?

Mike

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