Re: F 24 antennae, etc

[barry]

'I have looked at many photos of F 24's in the newsletter and maybe one in ten aircraft have a VHF antennae, how do they fly without one? I have heard that you can use a ribbon antennae like in composite aircraft, but someone else told me that won't work. also I have two different style control sticks in my aircraft, one with a tighter "S" bend than the other. Does anyone have any control sticks for sale of trade so that I can have a matched set?'

[burnmcc@aol.com]

'Good question. I am fighting a lot of radio problems now, I've tried different antennas, etc. Metal bent whip type mounted between gear legs. I've looked all over, and just don't see a good place to move it. With the razorback, I just don't see a place to move it, that would provide a ground plane. There is evidence someone tried mounting on upper left forward wing root fairing, but it looks flimsy, and I don't see where the ground plane could be.

Also looking forward to other's ideas.

Bill McClure






I have looked at many photos of F 24's in the newsletter and maybe one in ten aircraft have a VHF antennae, how do they fly without one? I have heard that you can use a ribbon antennae like in composite aircraft, but someone else told me that won't work. also I have two different style control sticks in my aircraft, one with a tighter "S" bend than the other. Does anyone have any control sticks for sale of trade so that I can have a matched set?







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[Buell Powell]

'Bill,
I installed an Advanced Aircraft Antenna from Wag Aero about 1/2 way from the cockpit to the rear of the fuselage in my Taylorcaft that works well--I believe it should work well in the F24 also.

----- Original Message -----
From: burnmcc@aol.com
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 6:23:11 PM
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] F 24 antennae, etc







Good question. I am fighting a lot of radio problems now, I've tried different antennas, etc. Metal bent whip type mounted between gear legs. I've looked all over, and just don't see a good place to move it. With the razorback, I just don't see a place to move it, that would provide a ground plane. There is evidence someone tried mounting on upper left forward wing root fairing, but it looks flimsy, and I don't see where the ground plane could be.

Also looking forward to other's ideas.

Bill McClure

I have looked at many photos of F 24's in the newsletter and maybe one in ten aircraft have a VHF antennae, how do they fly without one? I have heard that you can use a ribbon antennae like in composite aircraft, but someone else told me that won't work. also I have two different style control sticks in my aircraft, one with a tighter "S" bend than the other. Does anyone have any control sticks for sale of trade so that I can have a matched set?

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[Hugh Loewenhardt]

'Buell, The Advanced Aircraft Antenna is an excellent unit but not a viable option if the fuselage covering is in place. I installed and tested my Advanced Aircraft Antenna during the covering process as I did not want an external VHF antenna showing on my 1935 24 C8C.



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From: Buell Powell
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] F 24 antennae, etc



 

Bill,
I installed an Advanced Aircraft Antenna from Wag Aero about 1/2 way from the cockpit to the rear of the fuselage in my Taylorcaft that works well--I believe it should work well in the F24 also.

----- Original Message -----
From: burnmcc@aol.com
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 6:23:11 PM
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] F 24 antennae, etc

Good question. I am fighting a lot of radio problems now, I've tried different antennas, etc. Metal bent whip type mounted between gear legs. I've looked all over, and just don't see a good place to move it. With the razorback, I just don't see a place to move it, that would provide a ground plane. There is evidence someone tried mounting on upper left forward wing root fairing, but it looks flimsy, and I don't see where the ground plane could be.

Also looking forward to other's ideas.

Bill McClure

I have looked at many photos of F 24's in the newsletter and maybe one in ten aircraft have a VHF antennae, how do they fly without one? I have heard that you can use a ribbon antennae like in composite aircraft, but someone else told me that won't work. also I have two different style control sticks in my aircraft, one with a tighter "S" bend than the other. Does anyone have any control sticks for sale of trade so that I can have a matched set?

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BHP

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[Patricia Banks]

'About two weeks ago I installed an Advanced Aircraft Electronics antenna in my F-24. Probably the best money I have spent in a long time. The antenna works great. One of the previous owners had installed a common quarter wave antenna on top of the cabin. They obviously did not grasp the basics of antenna installation because they had provided a ground plane that was about 4" x 8". For a quarter wave antenna to work at all it needs about a 2' diameter plane, to function optimally it needs a 4' diameter plane. Establishing a proper ground plane is virtually impossible on a tube and fabric airframe. The original quarter wave antenna would not communicate much beyond the airport pattern which made it useless. I tried several tricks to improve the performance but nothing worked. ($150 filter, grounding to airframe tubes, etc.) I even sent the radio out and had it checked which was a waste of $300. I have been fighting this since I started flying the
airplane early this year.
The AAE is a half wave dipole so requires no ground plane. The problem is that it is 43" long and to perform at its best needs to be mounted vertically or parallel to the propeller disc. Angles of up to around 45° are acceptable but the range suffers. I was able to mount mine vertical right behind the baggage bin. Don't ask me how, it was an exercise in gymnastics, and some creative mounting methods, but I accomplished a very nice installation.Where there is a will, there is a way. Standing on your head is required. I would have taken photos but didn't think this would ever come up. The point is, the AAE antenna is working great. I have not explored the limits if its range but I am picking up transmissions from 30-40 miles away when before it was maybe 2 miles. I would be happy to discuss how I installed mine and will take some photos at the annual in a few months if anyone is interested. Not real keen on climbing back in the tail again any time
soon.
 
Regards,
 
Matt
F24-W46 

--- On Thu, 10/13/11, Hugh Loewenhardt wrote:


From: Hugh Loewenhardt
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] F 24 antennae, etc
To: "fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com"
Date: Thursday, October 13, 2011, 9:05 PM


Buell, The Advanced Aircraft Antenna is an excellent unit but not a viable option if the fuselage covering is in place. I installed and tested my Advanced Aircraft Antenna during the covering process as I did not want an external VHF antenna showing on my 1935 24 C8C.



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From: Buell Powell
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] F 24 antennae, etc



  

Bill,
I installed an Advanced Aircraft Antenna from Wag Aero about 1/2 way from the cockpit to the rear of the fuselage in my Taylorcaft that works well--I believe it should work well in the F24 also.

----- Original Message -----
From: burnmcc@aol.com
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 6:23:11 PM
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] F 24 antennae, etc

Good question. I am fighting a lot of radio problems now, I've tried different antennas, etc. Metal bent whip type mounted between gear legs. I've looked all over, and just don't see a good place to move it. With the razorback, I just don't see a place to move it, that would provide a ground plane. There is evidence someone tried mounting on upper left forward wing root fairing, but it looks flimsy, and I don't see where the ground plane could be.

Also looking forward to other's ideas.

Bill McClure

I have looked at many photos of F 24's in the newsletter and maybe one in ten aircraft have a VHF antennae, how do they fly without one? I have heard that you can use a ribbon antennae like in composite aircraft, but someone else told me that won't work. also I have two different style control sticks in my aircraft, one with a tighter "S" bend than the other. Does anyone have any control sticks for sale of trade so that I can have a matched set?

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BHP

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[Hugh Loewenhardt]

'Matt, Regarding your AAE antenna installation, would you please let the group know what covering process was used on your F-24.



________________________________
From: Patricia Banks
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] F 24 antennae, etc



 

About two weeks ago I installed an Advanced Aircraft Electronics antenna in my F-24. Probably the best money I have spent in a long time. The antenna works great. One of the previous owners had installed a common quarter wave antenna on top of the cabin. They obviously did not grasp the basics of antenna installation because they had provided a ground plane that was about 4" x 8". For a quarter wave antenna to work at all it needs about a 2' diameter plane, to function optimally it needs a 4' diameter plane. Establishing a proper ground plane is virtually impossible on a tube and fabric airframe. The original quarter wave antenna would not communicate much beyond the airport pattern which made it useless. I tried several tricks to improve the performance but nothing worked. ($150 filter, grounding to airframe tubes, etc.) I even sent the radio out and had it checked which was a waste of $300. I have been fighting this since I started flying the
airplane early this year.
The AAE is a half wave dipole so requires no ground plane. The problem is that it is 43" long and to perform at its best needs to be mounted vertically or parallel to the propeller disc. Angles of up to around 45° are acceptable but the range suffers. I was able to mount mine vertical right behind the baggage bin. Don't ask me how, it was an exercise in gymnastics, and some creative mounting methods, but I accomplished a very nice installation.Where there is a will, there is a way. Standing on your head is required. I would have taken photos but didn't think this would ever come up. The point is, the AAE antenna is working great. I have not explored the limits if its range but I am picking up transmissions from 30-40 miles away when before it was maybe 2 miles. I would be happy to discuss how I installed mine and will take some photos at the annual in a few months if anyone is interested. Not real keen on climbing back in the tail again any time
soon.
 
Regards,
 
Matt
F24-W46 

--- On Thu, 10/13/11, Hugh Loewenhardt wrote:

From: Hugh Loewenhardt
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] F 24 antennae, etc
To: "fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com"
Date: Thursday, October 13, 2011, 9:05 PM

Buell, The Advanced Aircraft Antenna is an excellent unit but not a viable option if the fuselage covering is in place. I installed and tested my Advanced Aircraft Antenna during the covering process as I did not want an external VHF antenna showing on my 1935 24 C8C.

________________________________
From: Buell Powell
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] F 24 antennae, etc

  

Bill,
I installed an Advanced Aircraft Antenna from Wag Aero about 1/2 way from the cockpit to the rear of the fuselage in my Taylorcaft that works well--I believe it should work well in the F24 also.

----- Original Message -----
From: burnmcc@aol.com
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 6:23:11 PM
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] F 24 antennae, etc

Good question. I am fighting a lot of radio problems now, I've tried different antennas, etc. Metal bent whip type mounted between gear legs. I've looked all over, and just don't see a good place to move it. With the razorback, I just don't see a place to move it, that would provide a ground plane. There is evidence someone tried mounting on upper left forward wing root fairing, but it looks flimsy, and I don't see where the ground plane could be.

Also looking forward to other's ideas.

Bill McClure

I have looked at many photos of F 24's in the newsletter and maybe one in ten aircraft have a VHF antennae, how do they fly without one? I have heard that you can use a ribbon antennae like in composite aircraft, but someone else told me that won't work. also I have two different style control sticks in my aircraft, one with a tighter "S" bend than the other. Does anyone have any control sticks for sale of trade so that I can have a matched set?

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BHP

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[Patricia Banks]

'Hugh,
I believe my aircraft is covered in the stitts/polyfiber process. AAE claims that the silver coats on the fabric do not interfere with the antenna performance if that is the concern.
 

--- On Fri, 10/14/11, Hugh Loewenhardt wrote:


From: Hugh Loewenhardt
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] F 24 antennae, etc
To: "fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com"
Date: Friday, October 14, 2011, 1:36 PM


Matt, Regarding your AAE antenna installation, would you please let the group know what covering process was used on your F-24.



________________________________
From: Patricia Banks
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] F 24 antennae, etc



  

About two weeks ago I installed an Advanced Aircraft Electronics antenna in my F-24. Probably the best money I have spent in a long time. The antenna works great. One of the previous owners had installed a common quarter wave antenna on top of the cabin. They obviously did not grasp the basics of antenna installation because they had provided a ground plane that was about 4" x 8". For a quarter wave antenna to work at all it needs about a 2' diameter plane, to function optimally it needs a 4' diameter plane. Establishing a proper ground plane is virtually impossible on a tube and fabric airframe. The original quarter wave antenna would not communicate much beyond the airport pattern which made it useless. I tried several tricks to improve the performance but nothing worked. ($150 filter, grounding to airframe tubes, etc.) I even sent the radio out and had it checked which was a waste of $300. I have been fighting this since I started flying the
airplane early this year.
The AAE is a half wave dipole so requires no ground plane. The problem is that it is 43" long and to perform at its best needs to be mounted vertically or parallel to the propeller disc. Angles of up to around 45° are acceptable but the range suffers. I was able to mount mine vertical right behind the baggage bin. Don't ask me how, it was an exercise in gymnastics, and some creative mounting methods, but I accomplished a very nice installation.Where there is a will, there is a way. Standing on your head is required. I would have taken photos but didn't think this would ever come up. The point is, the AAE antenna is working great. I have not explored the limits if its range but I am picking up transmissions from 30-40 miles away when before it was maybe 2 miles. I would be happy to discuss how I installed mine and will take some photos at the annual in a few months if anyone is interested. Not real keen on climbing back in the tail again any time
soon.
 
Regards,
 
Matt
F24-W46 

--- On Thu, 10/13/11, Hugh Loewenhardt wrote:

From: Hugh Loewenhardt
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] F 24 antennae, etc
To: "fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com"
Date: Thursday, October 13, 2011, 9:05 PM

Buell, The Advanced Aircraft Antenna is an excellent unit but not a viable option if the fuselage covering is in place. I installed and tested my Advanced Aircraft Antenna during the covering process as I did not want an external VHF antenna showing on my 1935 24 C8C.

________________________________
From: Buell Powell
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] F 24 antennae, etc

  

Bill,
I installed an Advanced Aircraft Antenna from Wag Aero about 1/2 way from the cockpit to the rear of the fuselage in my Taylorcaft that works well--I believe it should work well in the F24 also.

----- Original Message -----
From: burnmcc@aol.com
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 6:23:11 PM
Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] F 24 antennae, etc

Good question. I am fighting a lot of radio problems now, I've tried different antennas, etc. Metal bent whip type mounted between gear legs. I've looked all over, and just don't see a good place to move it. With the razorback, I just don't see a place to move it, that would provide a ground plane. There is evidence someone tried mounting on upper left forward wing root fairing, but it looks flimsy, and I don't see where the ground plane could be.

Also looking forward to other's ideas.

Bill McClure

I have looked at many photos of F 24's in the newsletter and maybe one in ten aircraft have a VHF antennae, how do they fly without one? I have heard that you can use a ribbon antennae like in composite aircraft, but someone else told me that won't work. also I have two different style control sticks in my aircraft, one with a tighter "S" bend than the other. Does anyone have any control sticks for sale of trade so that I can have a matched set?

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--

BHP

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[mcclurebill@rocketmail.com]

'It has been awhile since I asked about radio/antenna issues. Took the recommendations regarding the AAE half wave antenna seriously and installed one in the 24G, just behind the cabin,vertical parallel to plane of prop. Was much better, but not as good as I hoped. In the end, I removed the Narco 810 and installed an Icom A-200. Combined with the AAE antenna operation is now just great. I had resisted thinking it was radio issues as it always bench checked OK, but for some reason operation just couldn't be brought up to snuff in the F-24. I don't think the usual location between gear legs is very good, and there really aren't good alternatives. The AAE antenna does seem to be a good idea in this airplane. Unless you are covering fuselage you'll wind up standing on your head, but can be done.

Bill McClure

--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, Patricia Banks wrote:
>
> Hugh,
> I believe my aircraft is covered in the stitts/polyfiber process. AAE claims that the silver coats on the fabric do not interfere with the antenna performance if that is the concern.
>  
>

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