Re: Looking for Cont. R-670 Engine Mount for Fairchild 24

Airy Millet · Post by **Airy Millet** » Sun Oct 03, 2010 12:59 pm

':o))

even if I am in France... I know personnaly one swift owner...having not en original engine.... too much upgraded! and with efis panel...

but, when speaking about his plane, he doesn't refers as a "temco swift"... he is just calling it a "swift-type" aircraft!

)

And I do like this!

Airy

To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
From: hughc8c@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 11:51:14 -0700
Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Looking for Cont. R-670 Engine Mount for Fairchild 24

Airy, Don't ever express your opinions about engine conversions for antique aircraft to the Globe or Temco Swift collectors. They are liable to hurt you.

--- On Sun, 10/3/10, Airy Millet wrote:

> From: Airy Millet
> Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Looking for Cont. R-670 Engine Mount for Fairchild 24
> To: "fairchildlist"
> Date: Sunday, October 3, 2010, 4:38 PM
>
> Nowadays, with quick-protyping it is quite easy to
> re-manufacture parts, from pistons to main case, and of
> course all parts coming from turning, grinding, as gaers
> etc..are as well easy to remanufacture!
>
>
>
> Just a question in the need of parts and investments in new
> tooling!
>
>
>
> Today it is easy to maintain a Packard-Merlin, so why not a
> Warner, a Kinner, a Franklin, etc... (maybe only a problem
> with patent holder?? who may not accept re-manufacturing).
>
>
>
> For me there are only two kind of F24.. R and W... other
> conversions won't be able to wear the brand "fairchild", as
> they become personnal homebuilt prototype (should be
> registered as homebuilt either)...as there was no F24 C
> (continental) or F24 J (jocobs)...
>
>
>
> Of course I am not opposed to re-powering any aircraft, but
> in this case please change the name of it!! Just a question
> of respect to the orginals!
>
> And I am sure it is still possible to re-manufacture
> complete aircrafts as well, just look to the Waco YMF
> rebuild during early 2000's, they were all sold, and they
> wear new designation "YMF"!!
>
>
>
> Airy
>
>
>
>
>
> To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> From: dstroud@xplornet.com
> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 11:37:04 -0400
> Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Looking for Cont. R-670 Engine
> Mount for Fairchild 24
>
>
>
>
>
>
> What's in the future for the Warner ? They seem to be a
> rare commodity and there should be some demand for it.
>
> David Stroud Ottawa, Canada
> Christavia C-FDWS
> Fairchild 51 replica
> under construction C-FYXV
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jim higham
> To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
>
> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 11:04 AM
> Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Looking for Cont. R-670 Engine
> Mount for Fairchild 24
>
> Give the guy a break, he is bolting a differnt engine on it
> not chopping it up. If he ever sells it, the new owner can
> put on an original engine again Crips do you condem the guys
> for putting PT6's on DC3's to keep them flying, or the
> Stinson owner for putting in a Lycoming to get rid of the
> hard to find, good parts for it Franklin. What about the guy
> who put a Ranger in place of the Warner, it was optional but
> not original. And me I put Clevelands on, wingtip strobes,
> alternator and oh my god, a radio.
> It can be put to original again, in the mean time he will
> enjoy flying it.
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mileslong2k
> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 12:46 PM
> To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [fairchildclub] Looking for Cont. R-670 Engine
> Mount for Fairchild 24
>
> Hello all,
> I am looking for an engine mount for some friends. A
> Continental R-670 mount that can fit on a Fairchild 24. The
> plane is a 1946 24W-46. The current owners want to change
> the Warner engine to Continental. Anybody have an extra
> mount lying around or know where to find one?
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Jim Long
> Santa Rosa, CA
>
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mcclurebill@rocketmail.com · Sun Oct 03, 2010 1:13 pm

'Can't help but weigh in on this. Years ago I was fortunate enough to own a E-17B Staggerwing, original engine L-5 Jake, 285HP. Before I got it a conversion to a Lyc R680-13 (300 HP) took place. The L-5 was a terrible engine.The Lyc made the a/c perform close to normal, didn't look too much different from original. Could have gone to L-6 Jake as it was on the TC, but wasn't sure of the reliability of that engine (feel better on that issue today). Anyway, the airplane was flying, and well, with a non-original engine. If an airframe could be returned to original (assuming the engine is still supportable), then I don't see it as a big issue. You won't get an OSH award, but so what?

As a F-24G owner now, having just come off an overhaul of the 145 Warner,I really wonder how that mill will be supportable at all for long. It seems I may have located some of the last parts available for them anywhere, as in pistons and heads. Then what? Pistons you can have made, but after looking into the liability issues associated with "owner supplied parts", I decided to stay with the search for Warner pistons. Heads? Forget it.

That Jake powered plane on the club web site looks pretty good!

--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, Hugh Loewenhardt wrote:
>
> Airy, Don't ever express your opinions about engine conversions for antique aircraft to the Globe or Temco Swift collectors. They are liable to hurt you.
>

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styx768 · Post by **styx768** » Sun Oct 03, 2010 2:31 pm

'Not true Sir. I own one with a Lyc IO-360 and many Swifts have been updated with larger engines. The only ones that we would not like to be re-engined are the GC1-A's with the C-85 but few of those are still around. Fortunately, there are far too many airframes to modify with big engines rather than using an original C-85 powered airframe.

--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, Hugh Loewenhardt wrote:
>
> Airy, Don't ever express your opinions about engine conversions for antique aircraft to the Globe or Temco Swift collectors. They are liable to hurt you.
>
>
> --- On Sun, 10/3/10, Airy Millet wrote:
>
> > From: Airy Millet
> > Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Looking for Cont. R-670 Engine Mount for Fairchild 24
> > To: "fairchildlist"
> > Date: Sunday, October 3, 2010, 4:38 PM
> >
> > Nowadays, with quick-protyping it is quite easy to
> > re-manufacture parts, from pistons to main case, and of
> > course all parts coming from turning, grinding, as gaers
> > etc..are as well easy to remanufacture!
> >
> >
> >
> > Just a question in the need of parts and investments in new
> > tooling!
> >
> >
> >
> > Today it is easy to maintain a Packard-Merlin, so why not a
> > Warner, a Kinner, a Franklin, etc... (maybe only a problem
> > with patent holder?? who may not accept re-manufacturing).
> >
> >
> >
> > For me there are only two kind of F24.. R and W... other
> > conversions won't be able to wear the brand "fairchild", as
> > they become personnal homebuilt prototype (should be
> > registered as homebuilt either)...as there was no F24 C
> > (continental) or F24 J (jocobs)...
> >
> >
> >
> > Of course I am not opposed to re-powering any aircraft, but
> > in this case please change the name of it!! Just a question
> > of respect to the orginals!
> >
> > And I am sure it is still possible to re-manufacture
> > complete aircrafts as well, just look to the Waco YMF
> > rebuild during early 2000's, they were all sold, and they
> > wear new designation "YMF"!!
> >
> >
> >
> > Airy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> > From: dstroud@...
> > Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 11:37:04 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Looking for Cont. R-670 Engine
> > Mount for Fairchild 24
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > What's in the future for the Warner ? They seem to be a
> > rare commodity and there should be some demand for it.
> >
> > David Stroud Ottawa, Canada
> > Christavia C-FDWS
> > Fairchild 51 replica
> > under construction C-FYXV
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jim higham
> > To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 11:04 AM
> > Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Looking for Cont. R-670 Engine
> > Mount for Fairchild 24
> >
> > Give the guy a break, he is bolting a differnt engine on it
> > not chopping it up. If he ever sells it, the new owner can
> > put on an original engine again Crips do you condem the guys
> > for putting PT6's on DC3's to keep them flying, or the
> > Stinson owner for putting in a Lycoming to get rid of the
> > hard to find, good parts for it Franklin. What about the guy
> > who put a Ranger in place of the Warner, it was optional but
> > not original. And me I put Clevelands on, wingtip strobes,
> > alternator and oh my god, a radio.
> > It can be put to original again, in the mean time he will
> > enjoy flying it.
> > Jim
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mileslong2k
> > Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 12:46 PM
> > To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [fairchildclub] Looking for Cont. R-670 Engine
> > Mount for Fairchild 24
> >
> > Hello all,
> > I am looking for an engine mount for some friends. A
> > Continental R-670 mount that can fit on a Fairchild 24. The
> > plane is a 1946 24W-46. The current owners want to change
> > the Warner engine to Continental. Anybody have an extra
> > mount lying around or know where to find one?
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > Jim Long
> > Santa Rosa, CA
> >
> > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post |
> > Start a New TopicMessages in this topic (1)
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> > fairchildclub-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >
>

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styx768 · Post by **styx768** » Sun Oct 03, 2010 2:33 pm

'Perhaps you need to talk with other Swift owners rather than just one. We have had some fine Swifts go to Europe when the Euro was high, but I know of none that I would not want to call a "Swift" (Globe or Temco).

--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, Airy Millet wrote:
>
>
> ))
>
> even if I am in France... I know personnaly one swift owner...having not en original engine.... too much upgraded! and with efis panel...
>
> but, when speaking about his plane, he doesn't refers as a "temco swift"... he is just calling it a "swift-type" aircraft!
>
>
>
> )
>
> And I do like this!
>
>
>
> Airy
>
>
>
> To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> From: hughc8c@...
> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 11:51:14 -0700
> Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Looking for Cont. R-670 Engine Mount for Fairchild 24
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Airy, Don't ever express your opinions about engine conversions for antique aircraft to the Globe or Temco Swift collectors. They are liable to hurt you.
>
> --- On Sun, 10/3/10, Airy Millet wrote:
>
> > From: Airy Millet
> > Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Looking for Cont. R-670 Engine Mount for Fairchild 24
> > To: "fairchildlist"
> > Date: Sunday, October 3, 2010, 4:38 PM
> >
> > Nowadays, with quick-protyping it is quite easy to
> > re-manufacture parts, from pistons to main case, and of
> > course all parts coming from turning, grinding, as gaers
> > etc..are as well easy to remanufacture!
> >
> >
> >
> > Just a question in the need of parts and investments in new
> > tooling!
> >
> >
> >
> > Today it is easy to maintain a Packard-Merlin, so why not a
> > Warner, a Kinner, a Franklin, etc... (maybe only a problem
> > with patent holder?? who may not accept re-manufacturing).
> >
> >
> >
> > For me there are only two kind of F24.. R and W... other
> > conversions won't be able to wear the brand "fairchild", as
> > they become personnal homebuilt prototype (should be
> > registered as homebuilt either)...as there was no F24 C
> > (continental) or F24 J (jocobs)...
> >
> >
> >
> > Of course I am not opposed to re-powering any aircraft, but
> > in this case please change the name of it!! Just a question
> > of respect to the orginals!
> >
> > And I am sure it is still possible to re-manufacture
> > complete aircrafts as well, just look to the Waco YMF
> > rebuild during early 2000's, they were all sold, and they
> > wear new designation "YMF"!!
> >
> >
> >
> > Airy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> > From: dstroud@...
> > Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 11:37:04 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [fairchildclub] Looking for Cont. R-670 Engine
> > Mount for Fairchild 24
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > What's in the future for the Warner ? They seem to be a
> > rare commodity and there should be some demand for it.
> >
> > David Stroud Ottawa, Canada
> > Christavia C-FDWS
> > Fairchild 51 replica
> > under construction C-FYXV
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jim higham
> > To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 11:04 AM
> > Subject: RE: [fairchildclub] Looking for Cont. R-670 Engine
> > Mount for Fairchild 24
> >
> > Give the guy a break, he is bolting a differnt engine on it
> > not chopping it up. If he ever sells it, the new owner can
> > put on an original engine again Crips do you condem the guys
> > for putting PT6's on DC3's to keep them flying, or the
> > Stinson owner for putting in a Lycoming to get rid of the
> > hard to find, good parts for it Franklin. What about the guy
> > who put a Ranger in place of the Warner, it was optional but
> > not original. And me I put Clevelands on, wingtip strobes,
> > alternator and oh my god, a radio.
> > It can be put to original again, in the mean time he will
> > enjoy flying it.
> > Jim
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mileslong2k
> > Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 12:46 PM
> > To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [fairchildclub] Looking for Cont. R-670 Engine
> > Mount for Fairchild 24
> >
> > Hello all,
> > I am looking for an engine mount for some friends. A
> > Continental R-670 mount that can fit on a Fairchild 24. The
> > plane is a 1946 24W-46. The current owners want to change
> > the Warner engine to Continental. Anybody have an extra
> > mount lying around or know where to find one?
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > Jim Long
> > Santa Rosa, CA
> >
> > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post |
> > Start a New TopicMessages in this topic (1)
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> > fairchildclub-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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