Re: Looking for info

Karl A Vogelheim · Post by **Karl A Vogelheim** » Sun Jul 13, 2008 8:40 am

'Hello all,
I am new to this group and I am here to look for some information. I have started to look for a classic aircraft to purchase. I have been looking at Stinsons and I thought I would get as much information about a Farichild 24 as I could to see if I want to add this aircraft to my list of potential purchases. So if you don't mind, I would appreciate if someone would answer the following list of questions. Thank you in advance for your time.

Who owns the type certificate for the aricraft and does anyone make spare parts?
What kind of speed, climb rate, useful load, and fuel consumption should I expect from an F24?
Are parts for the Ranger or Warner engines still available and how difficult are they to acquire?
What is an approximate price for an average airplane? How much for a poor or excellent one?
How active is the Fairchild club and how useful are they about getting information?

I shall start there and If I can think of anything else as the converstaion goes along< I will post them to the user group. Thank you again for your time.

Sincerely,
Karl
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Tom Downey · Post by **Tom Downey** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:28 pm

'It doesn't look like any of these good ol boys want to talk to you,
so I'll try to.

The type certificate is owned by the Fairchild Industries, Inc.

Speed climb rate and usefull load is depandant upon the aircraft
it's empty weight. engine make you have. Mine is a 1937 F-24-G with
a 165 warner conversion. with me the wife and bags it would show
about 750' per minutes with full fuel (60 gal)

Both he W&R engines are getting hard to find parts for but they are
still available if you know where to look.

Prices vary, Dans aircraft id for sale at $53.9k there is a nice one
at BLI for $63k, and mine is for sale.

http://www.whidbey.com/fairchild-nc19143/id22.htm

How active is the club, well let's hope this page isn't an
indicator, but once you get in the club and start getting the news
letter it gets better. WE have a bunch of grey haired long in the
tooth guys with out who's help I'd never be able to get the
restoration of mine completed.

I'm almost ready to fly, after 7 years.

Hello all,
I am new to this group and I am here to look for some information.
I have started to look for a classic aircraft to purchase. I have
been looking at Stinsons and I thought I would get as much
information about a Farichild 24 as I could to see if I want to add
this aircraft to my list of potential purchases. So if you don't
mind, I would appreciate if someone would answer the following list
of questions. Thank you in advance for your time.

>
> Who owns the type certificate for the aricraft and does anyone

make spare parts?

> What kind of speed, climb rate, useful load, and fuel consumption

should I expect from an F24?

> Are parts for the Ranger or Warner engines still available and how

difficult are they to acquire?

> What is an approximate price for an average airplane? How much

for a poor or excellent one?

> How active is the Fairchild club and how useful are they about

getting information?

>
>
> I shall start there and If I can think of anything else as the

converstaion goes along< I will post them to the user group. Thank
you again for your time.

>
> Sincerely,
> Karl

'

Karl A Vogelheim · Post by **Karl A Vogelheim** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 9:50 am

'Tom,
Thank you for your kind reply. You have been the only person to respond other than those trying to sell me their aircraft. If you don't mind, let me ask you a few other questions.

Regarding the Warner radials, what is their average fuel burn? What is their TBO? What does it cost to have one rebuilt and is there any place that does it? Can you answer any of these questions regarding the Ranger engine?

What is the cruise speed of an F24? Top Speed? Can you tell me the useful load of an F24? I'm looking for an airplane to take my family in (currently two adults and a toddler plus baggage) so I'm very interested in this.

Are there an ADs regarding the F24 and if so how hard are they to accomplish?

Finally, why are you selling yours after you finished rebuilding it and what are you selling it for?

Thank you for your time,

Sincerely,
Karl

To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
From: tom-barb@whidbey.net
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:28:08 +0000
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Looking for info

It doesn't look like any of these good ol boys want to talk to you,

so I'll try to.

The type certificate is owned by the Fairchild Industries, Inc.

Speed climb rate and usefull load is depandant upon the aircraft

it's empty weight. engine make you have. Mine is a 1937 F-24-G with

a 165 warner conversion. with me the wife and bags it would show

about 750' per minutes with full fuel (60 gal)

Both he W&R engines are getting hard to find parts for but they are

still available if you know where to look.

Prices vary, Dans aircraft id for sale at $53.9k there is a nice one

at BLI for $63k, and mine is for sale.

http://www.whidbey.com/fairchild-nc19143/id22.htm

How active is the club, well let's hope this page isn't an

indicator, but once you get in the club and start getting the news

letter it gets better. WE have a bunch of grey haired long in the

tooth guys with out who's help I'd never be able to get the

restoration of mine completed.

I'm almost ready to fly, after 7 years.

Hello all,

I am new to this group and I am here to look for some information.

I have started to look for a classic aircraft to purchase. I have

been looking at Stinsons and I thought I would get as much

information about a Farichild 24 as I could to see if I want to add

this aircraft to my list of potential purchases. So if you don't

mind, I would appreciate if someone would answer the following list

of questions. Thank you in advance for your time.

>

> Who owns the type certificate for the aricraft and does anyone

make spare parts?

> What kind of speed, climb rate, useful load, and fuel consumption

should I expect from an F24?

> Are parts for the Ranger or Warner engines still available and how

difficult are they to acquire?

> What is an approximate price for an average airplane? How much

for a poor or excellent one?

> How active is the Fairchild club and how useful are they about

getting information?

>

>

> I shall start there and If I can think of anything else as the

converstaion goes along< I will post them to the user group. Thank

you again for your time.

>

> Sincerely,

> Karl

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Tom Downey · Post by **Tom Downey** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 5:41 pm

'

> Tom,
> Thank you for your kind reply.

You have been the only person to respond other than those trying to
sell me their aircraft. If you don't mind, let me ask you a few
other questions.

Regarding the Warner radials, what is their average fuel burn?

My 165 burns about 9-10 per hour over all.

What is their TBO? there isn't really a TBO, They need to be
dissasembled about every 400 hours to be desludged inspected, but if
you have a filter system on them you can styreach that out to 1000
hours. The main thing is you want to prevent the failure, by early
detection, rather than failure.

What does it cost to have one rebuilt and is there any place that
does it?

Alan Holloway in Quincy Ca. does a great job at overhauling the
warner, you must ask him his prices.

Can you answer any of these questions regarding the Ranger engine?

NO.

What is the cruise speed of an F24?

Mine shows about 90mph. Top Speed? VNE 165

Can you tell me the useful load of an F24?

Its an individual thing each aircraft is different.

I'm looking for an airplane to take my family in (currently two
adults and a toddler plus baggage) so I'm very interested in this.

The Ranger 200 horse equipped 24 should do that easy.

> Are there an ADs regarding the F24 and if so how hard are they to

accomplish?

there is on dated 1950 on the fuel system to operate on 1 tank at a
time. my aircraft is modified and this AD no longer applies.

Finally, why are you selling yours after you finished rebuilding it
and what are you selling it for?

That is what I do, restore old aircraft as a hobby.

Thank you for your time,
Sincerely,
Karl'

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:50 am

'Karl,
I didn't see your post as my wife and I were volunteering at the
Antique Airplane Association Fly-in in Blakesburg Iowa for the last
week.
There are a lot of people more qualified than myself to answer your
questions but I will gladly give you an overview/opnion.
I have 37 J model with a 145 Warner. It is a great aircraft and I
enjoy it as often as I can. The 145 is a greaser so you have a little
more maintence with it but still a very competent airplane.
Cruise is 95 to 100 mph with 2up. More passengers require more cruise
rpm, at least with my airframe. I have a Curtiss Reed prop that seems
to work out well.
As far a value or resale...Money is tight if you a middle class guy
like most of us, and prices are currently depressed, so I think now
would be a good time to do some serious dickering if you find the
plane you want.
As to the club and the web guys; there is some serious technical info
passing through this web page on a daily basis. The Flyers from the
club have been a little slow but I understand that the gentleman that
takes care of that has unfortunately been ill.
All in all...The Fairchilds are wonderful planes with a great bunch
of people flying them.
Good luck,
Mark

--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, Karl A Vogelheim
wrote:

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> Tom,
> Thank you for your kind reply. You have been the only person to

respond other than those trying to sell me their aircraft. If you
don't mind, let me ask you a few other questions.

>
> Regarding the Warner radials, what is their average fuel burn?

What is their TBO? What does it cost to have one rebuilt and is
there any place that does it? Can you answer any of these questions
regarding the Ranger engine?

>
> What is the cruise speed of an F24? Top Speed? Can you tell me

the useful load of an F24? I'm looking for an airplane to take my
family in (currently two adults and a toddler plus baggage) so I'm
very interested in this.

>
> Are there an ADs regarding the F24 and if so how hard are they to

accomplish?

>
> Finally, why are you selling yours after you finished rebuilding it

and what are you selling it for?

>
> Thank you for your time,
>
> Sincerely,
> Karl
>
> To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
> From: tom-barb@...
> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:28:08 +0000
> Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Looking for info
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> The type certificate is owned by the Fairchild Industries, Inc.
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>
> Speed climb rate and usefull load is depandant upon the aircraft
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> it's empty weight. engine make you have. Mine is a 1937 F-24-G with
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> a 165 warner conversion. with me the wife and bags it would show
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> about 750' per minutes with full fuel (60 gal)
>
>
>
> Both he W&R engines are getting hard to find parts for but they are
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> still available if you know where to look.
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> Prices vary, Dans aircraft id for sale at $53.9k there is a nice

one

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> at BLI for $63k, and mine is for sale.
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> http://www.whidbey.com/fairchild-nc19143/id22.htm
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>
>
> How active is the club, well let's hope this page isn't an
>
> indicator, but once you get in the club and start getting the news
>
> letter it gets better. WE have a bunch of grey haired long in the
>
> tooth guys with out who's help I'd never be able to get the
>
> restoration of mine completed.
>
>
>
> I'm almost ready to fly, after 7 years.
>
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> I am new to this group and I am here to look for some information.
>
> I have started to look for a classic aircraft to purchase. I have
>
> been looking at Stinsons and I thought I would get as much
>
> information about a Farichild 24 as I could to see if I want to add
>
> this aircraft to my list of potential purchases. So if you don't
>
> mind, I would appreciate if someone would answer the following list
>
> of questions. Thank you in advance for your time.
>
> >
>
> > Who owns the type certificate for the aricraft and does anyone
>
> make spare parts?
>
> > What kind of speed, climb rate, useful load, and fuel consumption
>
> should I expect from an F24?
>
> > Are parts for the Ranger or Warner engines still available and

how

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> difficult are they to acquire?
>
> > What is an approximate price for an average airplane? How much
>
> for a poor or excellent one?
>
> > How active is the Fairchild club and how useful are they about
>
> getting information?
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> > I shall start there and If I can think of anything else as the
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> converstaion goes along< I will post them to the user group. Thank
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> you again for your time.
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> > Sincerely,
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> > Karl
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Bradley Bormuth · Post by **Bradley Bormuth** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:54 pm

'Karl,

I don't know how I missed your first e-mail. Tom covered most of your
questions earlier. I thought I would add my performance specs. I
have a 1940 24W-40 with the Warner 165 with an Aeromatic propeller and
I find that I get between 100 mph TAS in the summer and 115 mph TAS in
the winter (I am too lazy to get the propeller adjusted for the
different seasons so it is set for the winter). As far as how helpful
the club is - I have had several questions posed and answered here. I
think we have all the Fairchild "experts" here. The Fairchild 24 is
extremely easy to fly and does an excellent and soft wheel landing
thanks the the oleo struts on the mains. Stall characteristics are
excellent. My Fairchild isn't for sale but I do have a website with
pictures and videos at http://www.airventuring.org/fairchild/

Tom,

I am curious about your airplane. What is your useful load in the
24G? Also, I don't know much about the TBO/teardown for the Warner
165. Any chance you could go into a little more detail about the
interval/parts life/inspection? Is the 400hr you mentioned time to
expect to replace some parts/bearings or just to de-sludge the engine?
Where can I find more information about this?

Regards,

Bradley
NC28640'

craigroads · Post by **craigroads** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:36 pm

'Karl,

Looks like you got some replys from folks with the Warner F-24s.
Thought I might add some comments from a Ranger owner perspective.

Great bird, very stable and easy to fly. Ours is a 1946 version with
a 200hp Ranger which was assembled after the war in Texas, which from
this website (http://fairchild24.com/survivors.htm) you can see many
of them were.

The 'owners manual' states cruse of 118mph at 75% horsepower...I tend
to use 105 to 110mph for flight planning. Climb rate...not bad.
Useful load...Four adults or three adults with luggage. When my boys
were pre-teen years we went to Oshkosh and California fine with the
four of us and gear. Fuel consumption...say 9.5gph for cross
country.

While some may like the Warner for looks, what I hear is the Rangers
are easier to find parts for given that Fairchild put the Rangers in
the PT19s and PT26s. Parts have not been a problem for us.

Price...I have been tracking the 'asking price' for a few years now
with highs in the $60-75k range, and lows in the $35k range for those
flying. Averages were around $47k.

Fairchild club has been good...good newsletter, folks answer the
questions I have had...been to some westcoast Fairchild and Oshkosh
gatherings.

Hope this helps,

Craig Stone
Seattle
NC81204

--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, Karl A Vogelheim
wrote:

>
>
> Hello all,
> I am new to this group and I am here to look for some

information. I have started to look for a classic aircraft to
purchase. I have been looking at Stinsons and I thought I would get
as much information about a Farichild 24 as I could to see if I want
to add this aircraft to my list of potential purchases. So if you
don't mind, I would appreciate if someone would answer the following
list of questions. Thank you in advance for your time.

>
> Who owns the type certificate for the aricraft and does anyone make

spare parts?

> What kind of speed, climb rate, useful load, and fuel consumption

should I expect from an F24?

> Are parts for the Ranger or Warner engines still available and how

difficult are they to acquire?

> What is an approximate price for an average airplane? How much for

a poor or excellent one?

> How active is the Fairchild club and how useful are they about

getting information?

>
>
> I shall start there and If I can think of anything else as the

converstaion goes along< I will post them to the user group. Thank
you again for your time.

>
> Sincerely,
> Karl
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Jack Threadgill · Post by **Jack Threadgill** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 10:02 pm

'Hi Craig,

I have a 1941 175 hp Ranger in a PT-19 that was rebuilt in Calif, but now
lives in Texas. I am a new owner. Would you please send me your contacts
for parts for the Ranger? Mine was restored in 1989 and the engine is still
running very well.

It was good to hear about your 24 and Ranger.

Thanks,

Jack

Jack Threadgill

1602 Brook Hollow Dr

Bryan, TX 77802

979-779-7155

threadgl@suddenlink.net

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From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of craigroads
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 8:37 PM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Looking for info

Karl,

Looks like you got some replys from folks with the Warner F-24s.
Thought I might add some comments from a Ranger owner perspective.

Great bird, very stable and easy to fly. Ours is a 1946 version with
a 200hp Ranger which was assembled after the war in Texas, which from
this website (http://fairchild24.
com/survivors.htm) you can see many
of them were.

The 'owners manual' states cruse of 118mph at 75% horsepower...I tend
to use 105 to 110mph for flight planning. Climb rate...not bad.
Useful load...Four adults or three adults with luggage. When my boys
were pre-teen years we went to Oshkosh and California fine with the
four of us and gear. Fuel consumption...say 9.5gph for cross
country.

While some may like the Warner for looks, what I hear is the Rangers
are easier to find parts for given that Fairchild put the Rangers in
the PT19s and PT26s. Parts have not been a problem for us.

Price...I have been tracking the 'asking price' for a few years now
with highs in the $60-75k range, and lows in the $35k range for those
flying. Averages were around $47k.

Fairchild club has been good...good newsletter, folks answer the
questions I have had...been to some westcoast Fairchild and Oshkosh
gatherings.

Hope this helps,

Craig Stone
Seattle
NC81204

--- In fairchildclub@
yahoogroups.com, Karl A Vogelheim
wrote:

>
>
> Hello all,
> I am new to this group and I am here to look for some

information. I have started to look for a classic aircraft to
purchase. I have been looking at Stinsons and I thought I would get
as much information about a Farichild 24 as I could to see if I want
to add this aircraft to my list of potential purchases. So if you
don't mind, I would appreciate if someone would answer the following
list of questions. Thank you in advance for your time.

>
> Who owns the type certificate for the aricraft and does anyone make

spare parts?

> What kind of speed, climb rate, useful load, and fuel consumption

should I expect from an F24?

> Are parts for the Ranger or Warner engines still available and how

difficult are they to acquire?

> What is an approximate price for an average airplane? How much for

a poor or excellent one?

> How active is the Fairchild club and how useful are they about

getting information?

>
>
> I shall start there and If I can think of anything else as the

converstaion goes along< I will post them to the user group. Thank
you again for your time.

>
> Sincerely,
> Karl
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