'I desperatly need help. We have just finished a complete restoration
an a F24 and had the 175 Ranger upgraded to a 200hp. The faa will not
approve it since we can not show them that the military version is the
same as the civilian version, which is impossible. If I could come up
with just one copy of a 337 (more would be even better) for the engine
upgrade, I would deeply appreciate it. Hoping for some help. Thank
you! Jay Thomson'
Re: Ranger 200hp approval
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Jamie S. Treat
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Ranger 200hp approval
'Jay,
See attached FAA 337 form for the Ranger 200 conversion on a F-24.
The one I attached is good for approved engineering due to the moratorium
per FAA.
This should be the only one you need, just attach to your FAA 337 as
approved data.
Jamie
Jamie S. Treat A&P/IA
Aircraft Restoration & Repair
24201 David C. Johnson Loop
Kelly Airpark (CO15)
http://www.kellyairpark.com
Elbert, CO 80106
HM/Shop 303-648-0130
JamieTreat@direcway.com
See attached FAA 337 form for the Ranger 200 conversion on a F-24.
The one I attached is good for approved engineering due to the moratorium
per FAA.
This should be the only one you need, just attach to your FAA 337 as
approved data.
Jamie
Jamie S. Treat A&P/IA
Aircraft Restoration & Repair
24201 David C. Johnson Loop
Kelly Airpark (CO15)
http://www.kellyairpark.com
Elbert, CO 80106
HM/Shop 303-648-0130
JamieTreat@direcway.com
'----- Original Message -----
From: "fairchild24pilot"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 6:26 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Ranger 200hp approval
>I desperatly need help. We have just finished a complete restoration
> an a F24 and had the 175 Ranger upgraded to a 200hp. The faa will not
> approve it since we can not show them that the military version is the
> same as the civilian version, which is impossible. If I could come up
> with just one copy of a 337 (more would be even better) for the engine
> upgrade, I would deeply appreciate it. Hoping for some help. Thank
> you! Jay Thomson
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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plsurflyin@aol.com
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Re: Ranger 200hp approval
'Which FSDO are you dealing with???
Tell them to kiss your a$$....
dumb-butts...
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Tell them to kiss your a$$....
dumb-butts...
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Michael Denest
- Posts: 172
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Re: Ranger 200hp approval
'There is no "military" or "civilian" version of the
Ranger engine. All models were first certificated by
the CAA then the engines were sold to the military.
ATC 216 is the type certificate data sheet for the
Ranger 6-440 models. What model is your F-24? If it
is an R-46, you should reidentify it as an F24R46A
which was approved with the 200hp engine. A 337
alteration listing the change along with a reissued
airworthiness certificate identifying it as such and
the same for your registration should be done. You
should also have a 337 alteration approval changing
your 175 to 200hp.
--- "Jamie S. Treat" wrote:
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Ranger engine. All models were first certificated by
the CAA then the engines were sold to the military.
ATC 216 is the type certificate data sheet for the
Ranger 6-440 models. What model is your F-24? If it
is an R-46, you should reidentify it as an F24R46A
which was approved with the 200hp engine. A 337
alteration listing the change along with a reissued
airworthiness certificate identifying it as such and
the same for your registration should be done. You
should also have a 337 alteration approval changing
your 175 to 200hp.
--- "Jamie S. Treat" wrote:
__________________________________________________> Jay,
>
> See attached FAA 337 form for the Ranger 200
> conversion on a F-24.
>
> The one I attached is good for approved engineering
> due to the moratorium
> per FAA.
>
> This should be the only one you need, just attach to
> your FAA 337 as
> approved data.
>
> Jamie
>
> Jamie S. Treat A&P/IA
> Aircraft Restoration & Repair
> 24201 David C. Johnson Loop
> Kelly Airpark (CO15)
> http://www.kellyairpark.com
> Elbert, CO 80106
> HM/Shop 303-648-0130
> JamieTreat@direcway.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "fairchild24pilot"
>
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 6:26 PM
> Subject: [fairchildclub] Ranger 200hp approval
>
>
> >I desperatly need help. We have just finished a
> complete restoration
> > an a F24 and had the 175 Ranger upgraded to a
> 200hp. The faa will not
> > approve it since we can not show them that the
> military version is the
> > same as the civilian version, which is impossible.
> If I could come up
> > with just one copy of a 337 (more would be even
> better) for the engine
> > upgrade, I would deeply appreciate it. Hoping for
> some help. Thank
> > you! Jay Thomson
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Michael Denest
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Re: Ranger 200hp approval
'Was this really called for? The problem is with
owners who do not research and document the paperwork
prior to contacting FAA. Then it helps when you
contact an ASI prior to doing anything and outlining
what you want to accomplish. Once you do that,
believe it or not, they are very helpful.
Mike
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owners who do not research and document the paperwork
prior to contacting FAA. Then it helps when you
contact an ASI prior to doing anything and outlining
what you want to accomplish. Once you do that,
believe it or not, they are very helpful.
Mike
--- plsurflyin@aol.com wrote:
__________________________________________________> Which FSDO are you dealing with???
>
> Tell them to kiss your a$$....
>
> dumb-butts...
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>
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- Joined: Tue Nov 12, 2002 2:05 pm
Re: Ranger 200hp approval
'Mike,
The FAA should know this stuff, that is their job.
To be difficult on something like this is purely assinine and they should be
told so, to their faces.
don
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The FAA should know this stuff, that is their job.
To be difficult on something like this is purely assinine and they should be
told so, to their faces.
don
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Chief Russell
- Posts: 65
- Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2004 5:14 pm
Ranger 200hp approval
'"Why" did you tell them-? What they don't know WILL not hurt them-! Most ASI
Airworthiness Inspectors do NOT know much about Antique airplanes-!
Dick Russell, CMS, USAF (Retired) & Retired FAA Inspector
DNR Aviation, LLC
Fly safe and visit www.councilofchiefs.org or www.russellaire.com
-----Original Message-----
From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of fairchild24pilot
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 7:27 PM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fairchildclub] Ranger 200hp approval
I desperatly need help. We have just finished a complete restoration
an a F24 and had the 175 Ranger upgraded to a 200hp. The faa will not
approve it since we can not show them that the military version is the
same as the civilian version, which is impossible. If I could come up
with just one copy of a 337 (more would be even better) for the engine
upgrade, I would deeply appreciate it. Hoping for some help. Thank
you! Jay Thomson
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-----Original Message-----
From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of fairchild24pilot
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 7:27 PM
To: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fairchildclub] Ranger 200hp approval
I desperatly need help. We have just finished a complete restoration
an a F24 and had the 175 Ranger upgraded to a 200hp. The faa will not
approve it since we can not show them that the military version is the
same as the civilian version, which is impossible. If I could come up
with just one copy of a 337 (more would be even better) for the engine
upgrade, I would deeply appreciate it. Hoping for some help. Thank
you! Jay Thomson
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Re: Ranger 200hp approval
'Right on Chief!
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Re: [Fairchild club] Ranger 200hp approval
'Thank goodness-!
Dick Russell, CMS, USAF (Retired)
DNR Aviation, LLC
Fly safe and visit www.councilofchiefs.org or www.russellaire.com
-----Original Message-----
From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Jamie S. Treat
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 7:36 PM
To: fairchild24pilot@yahoo.com
Cc: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fairchildclub] Ranger 200hp approval
Jay,
See attached FAA 337 form for the Ranger 200 conversion on a F-24.
The one I attached is good for approved engineering due to the moratorium
per FAA.
This should be the only one you need, just attach to your FAA 337 as
approved data.
Jamie
Jamie S. Treat A&P/IA
Aircraft Restoration & Repair
24201 David C. Johnson Loop
Kelly Airpark (CO15)
http://www.kellyairpark.com
Elbert, CO 80106
HM/Shop 303-648-0130
JamieTreat@direcway.com
Dick Russell, CMS, USAF (Retired)
DNR Aviation, LLC
Fly safe and visit www.councilofchiefs.org or www.russellaire.com
-----Original Message-----
From: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Jamie S. Treat
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 7:36 PM
To: fairchild24pilot@yahoo.com
Cc: fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fairchildclub] Ranger 200hp approval
Jay,
See attached FAA 337 form for the Ranger 200 conversion on a F-24.
The one I attached is good for approved engineering due to the moratorium
per FAA.
This should be the only one you need, just attach to your FAA 337 as
approved data.
Jamie
Jamie S. Treat A&P/IA
Aircraft Restoration & Repair
24201 David C. Johnson Loop
Kelly Airpark (CO15)
http://www.kellyairpark.com
Elbert, CO 80106
HM/Shop 303-648-0130
JamieTreat@direcway.com
'----- Original Message -----
From: "fairchild24pilot"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 6:26 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Ranger 200hp approval
>I desperatly need help. We have just finished a complete restoration
> an a F24 and had the 175 Ranger upgraded to a 200hp. The faa will not
> approve it since we can not show them that the military version is the
> same as the civilian version, which is impossible. If I could come up
> with just one copy of a 337 (more would be even better) for the engine
> upgrade, I would deeply appreciate it. Hoping for some help. Thank
> you! Jay Thomson
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Karl Saenger
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Re: Ranger 200hp approval
'Jay,
If you and the FAA need more information, there is the Ranger SB 111
"Inter-conversion of Ranger 6-440C Series Engines"
In there is a cross refence list with the civilan and military
designations of the engine and other usefull stuff. You will find the
SB 111 on the Fairchild Club CD-Rom.
I hope that helps
Karl Saenger
UC-61K (F24R46A) C/N 891
--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "fairchild24pilot"
wrote:
If you and the FAA need more information, there is the Ranger SB 111
"Inter-conversion of Ranger 6-440C Series Engines"
In there is a cross refence list with the civilan and military
designations of the engine and other usefull stuff. You will find the
SB 111 on the Fairchild Club CD-Rom.
I hope that helps
Karl Saenger
UC-61K (F24R46A) C/N 891
--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "fairchild24pilot"
wrote:
'>
> I desperatly need help. We have just finished a complete restoration
> an a F24 and had the 175 Ranger upgraded to a 200hp. The faa will not
> approve it since we can not show them that the military version is the
> same as the civilian version, which is impossible. If I could come up
> with just one copy of a 337 (more would be even better) for the engine
> upgrade, I would deeply appreciate it. Hoping for some help. Thank
> you! Jay Thomson
>