Re: Air / Oil Separators for Ramnger engine.

Pilot4906@aol.com · Post by **Pilot4906@aol.com** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 3:52 pm

'There seems to be two issues. One is an Oil / Air Separator for the vacuum
system and the other is a separator for the engine oil system.

There has been discussion that would indicate that a major savings in oil
and a much cleaner belly on the aircraft if a air / oil separator is installed.

Can anyone provide drawings showing that such a system was on the original
aircraft or an STC for this installation or a 337 that has been approved. To
be as correct as possible it would seem such documentation is needed to keep
Standard Airworthiness for the aircraft.

I would be interested in paper work for either the PT19/23/26 or the F-24
with a Ranger engine.

Many thanks for considering this issue.

Gene Haines
Vintage Aircraft Group, Inc.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]'

Jamie S. Treat · Post by **Jamie S. Treat** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 8:45 pm

'Gene,

For the Engine Air/Oil Separator, there is no STC for the Ranger on any
aircraft. There are some installed via one time field approval using a FAA
337. I just ordered an Airwolf for a Citabria. Will install using a FAA 337
and the approved engineering that Airwolf will provide. No need for a FAA
Block 3 endorsment. I will return to service as an IA.

I will do the same thing for the Ranger and Warner powered F-24s in my shop.

Jamie

Jamie S. Treat A&P/IA
Aircraft Restoration & Repair
24201 David C. Johnson Loop
Kelly Airpark
Elbert, CO 80106
HM/Shop 303-648-0130
JamieTreat@direcway.com

----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 3:52 PM
Subject: [fairchildclub] Air / Oil Separators for Ramnger engine.

> There seems to be two issues. One is an Oil / Air Separator for the
> vacuum
> system and the other is a separator for the engine oil system.
>
> There has been discussion that would indicate that a major savings in oil
> and a much cleaner belly on the aircraft if a air / oil separator is
> installed.
>
> Can anyone provide drawings showing that such a system was on the original
> aircraft or an STC for this installation or a 337 that has been approved.
> To
> be as correct as possible it would seem such documentation is needed to
> keep
> Standard Airworthiness for the aircraft.
>
> I would be interested in paper work for either the PT19/23/26 or the F-24
> with a Ranger engine.
>
> Many thanks for considering this issue.
>
> Gene Haines
> Vintage Aircraft Group, Inc.
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Mike Bourget · Post by **Mike Bourget** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 5:16 am

'Hi Jamie,

my air/oil is going in an experimental. question, when you install
yours I assume the big vent (on top of motor mid way to front) goes
to the separator input, the output is obvious and the oil return is
obvious. What is done with the "small vent" (near the vacuum pump)
do you "t" it into the drain line as well?

thanks

Mike

--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Jamie S. Treat"
wrote:

> Gene,
>
> For the Engine Air/Oil Separator, there is no STC for the Ranger

on any

> aircraft. There are some installed via one time field approval

using a FAA

> 337. I just ordered an Airwolf for a Citabria. Will install using

a FAA 337

> and the approved engineering that Airwolf will provide. No need

for a FAA

> Block 3 endorsment. I will return to service as an IA.
>
> I will do the same thing for the Ranger and Warner powered F-24s

in my shop.

>
>
> Jamie
>
>
> Jamie S. Treat A&P/IA
> Aircraft Restoration & Repair
> 24201 David C. Johnson Loop
> Kelly Airpark
> Elbert, CO 80106
> HM/Shop 303-648-0130
> JamieTreat@d...
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 3:52 PM
> Subject: [fairchildclub] Air / Oil Separators for Ramnger engine.
>
>
> > There seems to be two issues. One is an Oil / Air Separator for

the

> > vacuum
> > system and the other is a separator for the engine oil system.
> >
> > There has been discussion that would indicate that a major

savings in oil

> > and a much cleaner belly on the aircraft if a air / oil

separator is

> > installed.
> >
> > Can anyone provide drawings showing that such a system was on

the original

> > aircraft or an STC for this installation or a 337 that has been

approved.

> > To
> > be as correct as possible it would seem such documentation is

needed to

> > keep
> > Standard Airworthiness for the aircraft.
> >
> > I would be interested in paper work for either the PT19/23/26 or

the F-24

> > with a Ranger engine.
> >
> > Many thanks for considering this issue.
> >
> > Gene Haines
> > Vintage Aircraft Group, Inc.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

'

ranger440c5 · Post by **ranger440c5** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 11:00 am

'Mike,
hmmmm.....let's see. You're building a 2/3scale Mustang and you're
going to mount a vacuum pump?

--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Bourget"
wrote:

> Hi Jamie,
>
> my air/oil is going in an experimental. question, when you install
> yours I assume the big vent (on top of motor mid way to front) goes
> to the separator input, the output is obvious and the oil return is
> obvious. What is done with the "small vent" (near the vacuum pump)
> do you "t" it into the drain line as well?
>
> thanks
>
> Mike
>
>
> --- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Jamie S. Treat"
> wrote:
> > Gene,
> >
> > For the Engine Air/Oil Separator, there is no STC for the Ranger
> on any
> > aircraft. There are some installed via one time field approval
> using a FAA
> > 337. I just ordered an Airwolf for a Citabria. Will install using
> a FAA 337
> > and the approved engineering that Airwolf will provide. No need
> for a FAA
> > Block 3 endorsment. I will return to service as an IA.
> >
> > I will do the same thing for the Ranger and Warner powered F-24s
> in my shop.
> >
> >
> > Jamie
> >
> >
> > Jamie S. Treat A&P/IA
> > Aircraft Restoration & Repair
> > 24201 David C. Johnson Loop
> > Kelly Airpark
> > Elbert, CO 80106
> > HM/Shop 303-648-0130
> > JamieTreat@d...
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From:
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 3:52 PM
> > Subject: [fairchildclub] Air / Oil Separators for Ramnger engine.
> >
> >
> > > There seems to be two issues. One is an Oil / Air Separator

for

> the
> > > vacuum
> > > system and the other is a separator for the engine oil system.
> > >
> > > There has been discussion that would indicate that a major
> savings in oil
> > > and a much cleaner belly on the aircraft if a air / oil
> separator is
> > > installed.
> > >
> > > Can anyone provide drawings showing that such a system was on
> the original
> > > aircraft or an STC for this installation or a 337 that has been
> approved.
> > > To
> > > be as correct as possible it would seem such documentation is
> needed to
> > > keep
> > > Standard Airworthiness for the aircraft.
> > >
> > > I would be interested in paper work for either the PT19/23/26

or

> the F-24
> > > with a Ranger engine.
> > >
> > > Many thanks for considering this issue.
> > >
> > > Gene Haines
> > > Vintage Aircraft Group, Inc.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >

'

Mike Bourget · Post by **Mike Bourget** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 2:47 pm

'yep,,, was already there when I bought the engine....soooooo using
it to drive the gyros (t&b, AH, DG)

thanks

Mike

--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "ranger440c5"
wrote:

> Mike,
> hmmmm.....let's see. You're building a 2/3scale Mustang and you're
> going to mount a vacuum pump?
>
>
>
>
> --- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Bourget"
> wrote:
> > Hi Jamie,
> >
> > my air/oil is going in an experimental. question, when you

install

> > yours I assume the big vent (on top of motor mid way to front)

goes

> > to the separator input, the output is obvious and the oil return

is

> > obvious. What is done with the "small vent" (near the vacuum

pump)

> > do you "t" it into the drain line as well?
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > --- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Jamie S. Treat"
> > wrote:
> > > Gene,
> > >
> > > For the Engine Air/Oil Separator, there is no STC for the

Ranger

> > on any
> > > aircraft. There are some installed via one time field approval
> > using a FAA
> > > 337. I just ordered an Airwolf for a Citabria. Will install

using

> > a FAA 337
> > > and the approved engineering that Airwolf will provide. No

need

> > for a FAA
> > > Block 3 endorsment. I will return to service as an IA.
> > >
> > > I will do the same thing for the Ranger and Warner powered F-

24s

> > in my shop.
> > >
> > >
> > > Jamie
> > >
> > >
> > > Jamie S. Treat A&P/IA
> > > Aircraft Restoration & Repair
> > > 24201 David C. Johnson Loop
> > > Kelly Airpark
> > > Elbert, CO 80106
> > > HM/Shop 303-648-0130
> > > JamieTreat@d...
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From:
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 3:52 PM
> > > Subject: [fairchildclub] Air / Oil Separators for Ramnger

engine.

> > >
> > >
> > > > There seems to be two issues. One is an Oil / Air Separator
> for
> > the
> > > > vacuum
> > > > system and the other is a separator for the engine oil

system.

> > > >
> > > > There has been discussion that would indicate that a major
> > savings in oil
> > > > and a much cleaner belly on the aircraft if a air / oil
> > separator is
> > > > installed.
> > > >
> > > > Can anyone provide drawings showing that such a system was

on

> > the original
> > > > aircraft or an STC for this installation or a 337 that has

been

> > approved.
> > > > To
> > > > be as correct as possible it would seem such documentation

is

> > needed to
> > > > keep
> > > > Standard Airworthiness for the aircraft.
> > > >
> > > > I would be interested in paper work for either the

PT19/23/26

> or
> > the F-24
> > > > with a Ranger engine.
> > > >
> > > > Many thanks for considering this issue.
> > > >
> > > > Gene Haines
> > > > Vintage Aircraft Group, Inc.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >

'

Jamie S. Treat · Post by **Jamie S. Treat** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 7:38 pm

Mike Bourget · Post by **Mike Bourget** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 7:17 am

'thanks Jamie

--- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Jamie S. Treat"
wrote:

>
> I don't have vac pump on any of my birds. I would assume it

would "T" in.

> Will have the engineering here in about a week.
>
> Jamie
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Bourget"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 5:13 AM
> Subject: [fairchildclub] Re: Air / Oil Separators for Ramnger

engine.

>
>
> > Hi Jamie,
> >
> > my air/oil is going in an experimental. question, when you

install

> > yours I assume the big vent (on top of motor mid way to front)

goes

> > to the separator input, the output is obvious and the oil return

is

> > obvious. What is done with the "small vent" (near the vacuum

pump)

> > do you "t" it into the drain line as well?
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > --- In fairchildclub@yahoogroups.com, "Jamie S. Treat"
> > wrote:
> >> Gene,
> >>
> >> For the Engine Air/Oil Separator, there is no STC for the Ranger
> > on any
> >> aircraft. There are some installed via one time field approval
> > using a FAA
> >> 337. I just ordered an Airwolf for a Citabria. Will install

using

> > a FAA 337
> >> and the approved engineering that Airwolf will provide. No need
> > for a FAA
> >> Block 3 endorsment. I will return to service as an IA.
> >>
> >> I will do the same thing for the Ranger and Warner powered F-24s
> > in my shop.
> >>
> >>
> >> Jamie
> >>
> >>
> >> Jamie S. Treat A&P/IA
> >> Aircraft Restoration & Repair
> >> 24201 David C. Johnson Loop
> >> Kelly Airpark
> >> Elbert, CO 80106
> >> HM/Shop 303-648-0130
> >> JamieTreat@d...
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From:
> >> To:
> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 3:52 PM
> >> Subject: [fairchildclub] Air / Oil Separators for Ramnger

engine.

> >>
> >>
> >> > There seems to be two issues. One is an Oil / Air Separator

for

> > the
> >> > vacuum
> >> > system and the other is a separator for the engine oil system.
> >> >
> >> > There has been discussion that would indicate that a major
> > savings in oil
> >> > and a much cleaner belly on the aircraft if a air / oil
> > separator is
> >> > installed.
> >> >
> >> > Can anyone provide drawings showing that such a system was on
> > the original
> >> > aircraft or an STC for this installation or a 337 that has

been

> > approved.
> >> > To
> >> > be as correct as possible it would seem such documentation is
> > needed to
> >> > keep
> >> > Standard Airworthiness for the aircraft.
> >> >
> >> > I would be interested in paper work for either the PT19/23/26

or

> > the F-24
> >> > with a Ranger engine.
> >> >
> >> > Many thanks for considering this issue.
> >> >
> >> > Gene Haines
> >> > Vintage Aircraft Group, Inc.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

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